Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 09:12     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This guy has been a principal at many schools for many years. He’s not dumb or malicious enough to purposely stomp on a kid’s foot in a crowded cafeteria with cameras. The camera angle was probably weird and the child cried out of fear.

I haven't seen the video (neither have any of us on here). I suppose it's possible that the stomping was an accident. If the child was sitting (which they were), with their legs and feet out, and Winter was standing very close to the child, it's possible that he himself was throwing a tantrum while being angry, and stomped his foot, accidentally making contact with the child's foot. I could see him stomping his foot as he yells. I know he yells a lot - my kid had him at Barnsley.

So, in that case, there's no intent, but, it still seems ridiculous for Winter to be stomping his foot in anger, like a petulant child.

At best, he will be fired, with a misdemeanor charge. At worst, a felony second degree assault charge.

He has been charged with second-degree assault. You can read the charging document here:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPLVDkbWYAA-PG8?format=jpg&name=900x900

Yes, I read that. He's been charged, but not convicted. The conviction is what I'm referring to. I misstated.. should've stated "conviction" rather than "charge".
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 09:09     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This guy has been a principal at many schools for many years. He’s not dumb or malicious enough to purposely stomp on a kid’s foot in a crowded cafeteria with cameras. The camera angle was probably weird and the child cried out of fear.

I haven't seen the video (neither have any of us on here). I suppose it's possible that the stomping was an accident. If the child was sitting (which they were), with their legs and feet out, and Winter was standing very close to the child, it's possible that he himself was throwing a tantrum while being angry, and stomped his foot, accidentally making contact with the child's foot. I could see him stomping his foot as he yells. I know he yells a lot - my kid had him at Barnsley.

So, in that case, there's no intent, but, it still seems ridiculous for Winter to be stomping his foot in anger, like a petulant child.

At best, he will be fired, with a misdemeanor charge. At worst, a felony second degree assault charge.

He has been charged with second-degree assault. You can read the charging document here:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPLVDkbWYAA-PG8?format=jpg&name=900x900
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 08:54     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:This guy has been a principal at many schools for many years. He’s not dumb or malicious enough to purposely stomp on a kid’s foot in a crowded cafeteria with cameras. The camera angle was probably weird and the child cried out of fear.

I haven't seen the video (neither have any of us on here). I suppose it's possible that the stomping was an accident. If the child was sitting (which they were), with their legs and feet out, and Winter was standing very close to the child, it's possible that he himself was throwing a tantrum while being angry, and stomped his foot, accidentally making contact with the child's foot. I could see him stomping his foot as he yells. I know he yells a lot - my kid had him at Barnsley.

So, in that case, there's no intent, but, it still seems ridiculous for Winter to be stomping his foot in anger, like a petulant child.

At best, he will be fired, with a misdemeanor charge. At worst, a felony second degree assault charge.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 08:41     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
This guy has been a principal at many schools for many years. He’s not dumb or malicious enough to purposely stomp on a kid’s foot in a crowded cafeteria with cameras. The camera angle was probably weird and the child cried out of fear.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 08:39     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
The payout will be high because the principle will sue and he will win.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 08:34     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Seems pretty obvious to me. Clear crime of assault from an adult means call the cops. The memorandum of understanding between MCPS and Police protects minors, not adults.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 08:29     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You are either obtuse or an abuser apologist. Either way, go away.


I am neither. Do you know him or have you worked with him personally? If so, what gives you the right to think you speak for all of us? You don't. Maybe it was an accident, maybe it wasn't. Neither of us were there. I do know that calling the police for stepping on someone's foot is extreme. When was the last time you called the police for that? I'll wait.


The AP called the police because her husband is the school resource officer for the school. She should have followed protocol and reported it to CPS instead of calling her husband.


It really doesn’t matter who she called because the arresting officer (not her husband btw) viewed the footage and saw what he saw which was incriminating.


Seriously. MCPS has chosen NOT to involve the Police for other situation - the Damascus rape case, the Rockville HS sex case. In the Damascus case, they specifically did not want to involve the police.

Yet, here someone called the police for this??



Can you show me where the policy says to not report crimes to the police immediately?


Yes
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 08:18     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You are either obtuse or an abuser apologist. Either way, go away.


I am neither. Do you know him or have you worked with him personally? If so, what gives you the right to think you speak for all of us? You don't. Maybe it was an accident, maybe it wasn't. Neither of us were there. I do know that calling the police for stepping on someone's foot is extreme. When was the last time you called the police for that? I'll wait.


The AP called the police because her husband is the school resource officer for the school. She should have followed protocol and reported it to CPS instead of calling her husband.


It really doesn’t matter who she called because the arresting officer (not her husband btw) viewed the footage and saw what he saw which was incriminating.


Seriously. MCPS has chosen NOT to involve the Police for other situation - the Damascus rape case, the Rockville HS sex case. In the Damascus case, they specifically did not want to involve the police.

Yet, here someone called the police for this??



Can you show me where the policy says to not report crimes to the police immediately?
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 08:16     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nobody would waste resources prosecuting a principal on a career-ending charge unless the video showed decisive proof that it was assault.


I work at the school. I know what happened. I even saw the video which is inconclusive of a stomp on the child’s foot. Plus even if he did land on his foot there is no evidence of intent. They have destroyed him and our school is truly suffering.


The warring narratives, of people like you who claim the principal is a good man painted unfairly and being targeted for accidentally stomping on a child's foot contrasted with those who say he has a pattern of a serious mean streak, and being aggressive in the workplace are completely contradictory and disjointed descriptions of the same person.

For you to watch a grown man, especially one who's supposed to lead the students and staff, stomp on a child's foot and then justify it because "there is no evidence of intent" is scary. I'm not sure you should be in school since you don't seem to take your role as a mandated reporter seriously.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 08:15     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You are either obtuse or an abuser apologist. Either way, go away.


I am neither. Do you know him or have you worked with him personally? If so, what gives you the right to think you speak for all of us? You don't. Maybe it was an accident, maybe it wasn't. Neither of us were there. I do know that calling the police for stepping on someone's foot is extreme. When was the last time you called the police for that? I'll wait.


The AP called the police because her husband is the school resource officer for the school. She should have followed protocol and reported it to CPS instead of calling her husband.


It really doesn’t matter who she called because the arresting officer (not her husband btw) viewed the footage and saw what he saw which was incriminating.


Seriously. MCPS has chosen NOT to involve the Police for other situation - the Damascus rape case, the Rockville HS sex case. In the Damascus case, they specifically did not want to involve the police.

Yet, here someone called the police for this??
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 08:12     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The principals' union is completely separate from the teachers' union. MCAAP is the union for admin, MCEA is teachers.

We have had a teacher in admin leave for months. She was accused of "something" and can't be in contact with anyone from school until the investigation is complete. Allegedly there are precious few people to investigate each of these accusations at any given time. For what it's worth, this particular teacher has a spotless track record and there are several adults who work in the classroom together. I would be surprised if she was guilty of whatever she's been accused of. But anyway, the investigations take forever.



In Winter's case, the evidence was on video, and the investigation was conducted by the POLICE. Paying full salary for 4 months before charging and who knows how many more months after is the WORST.
Exactly. You don’t need an investigation when there’s video. Mcps is so rotten at its core that someone in co stalled and covered for this criminal so he could collect a check and now they want to lay off teachers because there’s no money. It’s disgusting. I doubt this is the first time he did something like this. He just got caught this time.


Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 08:09     Subject: Re:MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:How much will the settlement be? Any lawyer here?



From the public sector, the payout will be almost nothing. The courts generally assign a dollar amount based on injury. The police can cause bruises and blood in an excessive-force situation while falsely arresting somebody, and the payout is barely 5 figures. Juries generally do not pay out much in punitive damages either for these things.
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 07:59     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You are either obtuse or an abuser apologist. Either way, go away.


I am neither. Do you know him or have you worked with him personally? If so, what gives you the right to think you speak for all of us? You don't. Maybe it was an accident, maybe it wasn't. Neither of us were there. I do know that calling the police for stepping on someone's foot is extreme. When was the last time you called the police for that? I'll wait.


The AP called the police because her husband is the school resource officer for the school. She should have followed protocol and reported it to CPS instead of calling her husband.


Exactly this. It's not MCPS protocol to immediately call the police for something like this. This sounds like it was a personal vendetta against him. She needs to be investigated as well.



He is not the school resource officer for the school.

Yes he is. He covers the Richard Montgomery cluster

https://thermtide.com/16732/news/mcps-returns-police-to-schools/
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 07:52     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are either obtuse or an abuser apologist. Either way, go away.


I am neither. Do you know him or have you worked with him personally? If so, what gives you the right to think you speak for all of us? You don't. Maybe it was an accident, maybe it wasn't. Neither of us were there. I do know that calling the police for stepping on someone's foot is extreme. When was the last time you called the police for that? I'll wait.


The AP called the police because her husband is the school resource officer for the school. She should have followed protocol and reported it to CPS instead of calling her husband.


Exactly this. It's not MCPS protocol to immediately call the police for something like this. This sounds like it was a personal vendetta against him. She needs to be investigated as well.


This is such a weird complaint. But it also suggests a much bigger problem. How much is CPS covering-up for MCPS?
Anonymous
Post 06/04/2024 07:45     Subject: MCPS principal allegedly assaulted student at Ritchie Park
I’ve seen other career educators accused of things like this caught on camera and when it goes to trial the truth comes out. Perhaps it was an accident the foot got stomped on? Why else would the principal sit down next to the kid afterwards and put his arm around him?

The rumor is the kid this happened to is undiagnosed defiant disorder. Parents are very sweet but give in to the kid. The teacher of him also took leave of absence. Everyone is exhausted but they can’t get him support because the parents haven’t pursued a diagnosis.