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Anonymous wrote:About 10% go to ivies. Many kids (250+) go to SUNYs and CUNYs. It is a class of 900 students.

40% go to Ivies in a typical year

No way. It’s been about 10%, give or take, for a while now.

A Stuy parent.

From the INS link, I see about 30% to Ivies.

Cornell alone took 15%.

You mean Instagram? You do realize that there are about 900 graduating seniors at Stuy, so only a minority posted.

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Anonymous wrote:About 10% go to ivies. Many kids (250+) go to SUNYs and CUNYs. It is a class of 900 students.

40% go to Ivies in a typical year

No way. It’s been about 10%, give or take, for a while now.

A Stuy parent.

From the INS link, I see about 30% to Ivies.

Cornell alone took 15%.

cheating in high school??????

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t TJ be similar?

https://www.instagram.com/stuygrads2024?igsh=MXJyZGt5bmNta2Vudg==

It would if it had a similar% of Asians i.e. solely merit based admissions

Up until the most recent graduating class, it did.

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t TJ be similar?

https://www.instagram.com/stuygrads2024?igsh=MXJyZGt5bmNta2Vudg==

It would if it had a similar% of Asians i.e. solely merit based admissions

There was a huge cheating scandal there in 2012 that was covered in the NY Times and NY Magazine.

From the NY Magazine article "the Stuyvesant Spectator, the school’s official student newspaper, happened to publish the results of a survey it conducted in which 80 percent of respondents (nearly two-thirds of the school’s 3,295 students) admitted to cheating in some way, with only 10 ­percent saying they’d ever been caught. Seventy-nine percent of all students, and about 90 percent of seniors, admitted to learning about questions before tests at least once a year."

In "June when 71 juniors were caught exchanging answers to state Regents exams through text messages, was rare at Stuyvesant. But lower-level cheating, they said, occurs every day."

https://nymag.com/news/features/cheating-2012-9/
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/education/stuyvesant-high-school-students-describe-rationale-for-cheating.html?smid=re-share

We now live in California and my kids absolutely see more cheating in honors/AP classes than regular classes. The cheating is in ways that kids don't think is really cheating but I think absolutely is. So many of the kids have test papers and homework papers from older sibling, cousins and /or family friends. If you don't have connections then your kid is at a disadvantage. My son was in an AP science class where the homework was graded (not for completion, but if it is correct), so doing poorly affected your grade. My son figured out so many of the students had copies of previous years homework. They also often had parents who were doctors, scientists, etc. so they could help them with the answers. It doesn't seem like an even playing field.

I live in NYC. VA publics are not popular. If they go OOS it's to MI, UCs, Wi, Georgia Tech, UVM, Bama.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like no one there wants to attend Virginia publics universities

Honestly aside from UVA, W&M and VT, none of the Virginia publics have a national draw.
UVA out of state tuition is as high as any private school without nearly as much financial aid.

I was including UVA, W&M, and VT as it pertains to NYC.

OK I see. but out of state UVA/W&M/VT are about as much as private tuition at ivy+ and the ivy+ has better financial aid.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like no one there wants to attend Virginia publics universities

Honestly aside from UVA, W&M and VT, none of the Virginia publics have a national draw.
UVA out of state tuition is as high as any private school without nearly as much financial aid.

I was including UVA, W&M, and VT as it pertains to NYC.

If you have the ability to skim the top students from a gigantic geography (in this case NYC) or in TJ's case (several wealthy N. VA counties), how can you not achieve top results, no matter how you measure them whether in terms of achievement or college admission? Those kids would excel regardless of their high school.

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Anonymous wrote:About 10% go to ivies. Many kids (250+) go to SUNYs and CUNYs. It is a class of 900 students.

40% go to Ivies in a typical year

No way. It’s been about 10%, give or take, for a while now.

A Stuy parent.

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Anonymous wrote:The Asians cheat like crazy and study insane amounts and go to Cram schools of course they do well

Maybe more kids should cram studies so they get results like this.

I'd like to see your stats on Asian American students and cheating.

This is anecdote only, but both in my professional life and in my kids' educational life, I've seen numerous occasions of Chinese people cheating. (I've also seen a few extremely honest Asian people. They were not Chinese though.)

On Long Island in Great Neck and Syosset the rated Public HSs are like 90 percent Asian mostly Chinese.

They “border jump” meaning kid don’t get into top magnet NYC HS will “border jump” into a top rated public HS. They buy just for HS and leave when kids done

Bronx High School of Science same thing

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Anonymous wrote:Stuyvesant is awesome. Much harder to get into and do well in than TJ.

It is tough to get admitted to Stuy but they don’t all go to Harvard. They go to a lot of different colleges including all the CUNYs which offer free tuition to NYC public schools. Unlike TJ many Stuy students come from low income families making these students even more remarkable.

And most of them (~90% of Asian students) are Chinese Americans whereas Asian students at TJ is almost all Indian Americans.

Unless things have changed (and they probably have) 90% sounds very high.
More than 10% of the asians in the 1980s were probably south asians
There was also a significant korean population.

I have a kid at Stuy. 72% are Asian I'd say 50% are Chinese American.