Anonymous
05/16/2024 10:48
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes.
In Japan, a country with an obesity rate below 5%, they consider a BMI of 25 and over to be obese.
Just like how we have vanity sizing in the West, we have vanity BMI. You're definitely overweight if you're 25 BMI unless you are quite stocky with tons of muscle (most people aren't and shouldn't kid themselves). Americans are super fat.
The bolded is information to support that BMI is not a good indicator, not that the numbers are "wrong." The difference is a direct result of the difference in median body type of different types of people. A 25 IS likely to represent a high body fat mass on a certain body type and not represent that on a different body type.
Good lord, shut up. BMI is a tool. Is it perfect? No. But name another tool that can be used for a very rapid, virtually zero cost assessment for health like BMI. Of course something like skin caliper tests and and more accurate testing for body fat percentage is better. But you people miss the entire point. The latter tests require much more time and direct 1-1 contact with a physician or other healthcare worker, which means it cannot be as easily used across billions of people on the planet.
BMI is based on gigantic data sets and statistics. It is a good enough tool to get a ballpark idea of your overall body fat. Yes, like with any set of data and statistics there will be outliers (very muscular people). It is hilarious though that people who are dismissive of BMI always try to claim they’re muscular or that BMI is ‘bad’ simply because they don’t like their number. Get a grip. It is a simple tool.
I love how everyone with BMI >25 claims to be fit and muscular with stocky builds. Yeah sure. Stop being dishonest with yourselves. You all probably have biceps below 12” and can barely squat more than 150 lbs at the gym. Stop deluding yourselves, you are not diesel Mac trucks like NFL running backs. The Japanese have it right. Even a BMI of 25 should be considered obese. They even consider a BMI of 22 - 25 to be overweight. And you wonder why they live so long.
My blood work and BP are perfect at BMI 26.5 and I squat more every time in the gym. Meanwhile my extremely eating disordered BMI 19 relative went straight from functional to incapacitated when she broke a bone because she has no biological reserves.
Statistically, a BMI of 26-27 is the healthiest. If you’ve ever watched a female relative with an eating disorder age, you know exactly why that is.
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-healthiest-weight-could-actually-be-overweight-huge-study-finds
Anonymous
05/16/2024 10:45
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?
8 is a 14 of non vanity sizes.
Eating disorder chick is all over this thread
Hardly. I'm a 4 or 8 in old school sizes. I am not thin. My BMI is 20. If my BMI was 24, I would indeed be fat.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 10:42
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes.
In Japan, a country with an obesity rate below 5%, they consider a BMI of 25 and over to be obese.
Just like how we have vanity sizing in the West, we have vanity BMI. You're definitely overweight if you're 25 BMI unless you are quite stocky with tons of muscle (most people aren't and shouldn't kid themselves). Americans are super fat.
The bolded is information to support that BMI is not a good indicator, not that the numbers are "wrong." The difference is a direct result of the difference in median body type of different types of people. A 25 IS likely to represent a high body fat mass on a certain body type and not represent that on a different body type.
It's also just wrong. Japan uses 30 and the <5% number is based on that.
No, you are misinformed:
https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/17/5/424/535609?login=false
Literally, the Japanese public health ministry considers BMI of 25 to be the threshold for obesity.
That’s the problem with America, we’ve shifted from body types in the 70s and 80s (BMI commonly below 20) as being normal to now accepting body types with BMI 20-25 as being ‘normal’. 20-25 is, at a minimum, probably overweight and borderline obese.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 10:39
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:BMI is a terrible metric. A muscly 27 is leagues away from a flabby 27?
Sure. And 1/1000 women over the age of 35 fall into that category. The rest are fat and have poor cardiovascular health.
Untrue. About 25% who are “fat” or 27 bmi have cardiovascular issues.
The borderline for poor cardiovascular health isn’t “needing medical attention.”If thats your threshold, your quality of life isn’t going to be very good after the age of 65. The data bares that out.
It’s not 100%… acting like it is is flat out wrong. It’s about 25%.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 10:37
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes.
In Japan, a country with an obesity rate below 5%, they consider a BMI of 25 and over to be obese.
Just like how we have vanity sizing in the West, we have vanity BMI. You're definitely overweight if you're 25 BMI unless you are quite stocky with tons of muscle (most people aren't and shouldn't kid themselves). Americans are super fat.
The bolded is information to support that BMI is not a good indicator, not that the numbers are "wrong." The difference is a direct result of the difference in median body type of different types of people. A 25 IS likely to represent a high body fat mass on a certain body type and not represent that on a different body type.
Good lord, shut up. BMI is a tool. Is it perfect? No. But name another tool that can be used for a very rapid, virtually zero cost assessment for health like BMI. Of course something like skin caliper tests and and more accurate testing for body fat percentage is better. But you people miss the entire point. The latter tests require much more time and direct 1-1 contact with a physician or other healthcare worker, which means it cannot be as easily used across billions of people on the planet.
BMI is based on gigantic data sets and statistics. It is a good enough tool to get a ballpark idea of your overall body fat. Yes, like with any set of data and statistics there will be outliers (very muscular people). It is hilarious though that people who are dismissive of BMI always try to claim they’re muscular or that BMI is ‘bad’ simply because they don’t like their number. Get a grip. It is a simple tool.
I love how everyone with BMI >25 claims to be fit and muscular with stocky builds. Yeah sure. Stop being dishonest with yourselves. You all probably have biceps below 12” and can barely squat more than 150 lbs at the gym. Stop deluding yourselves, you are not diesel Mac trucks like NFL running backs. The Japanese have it right. Even a BMI of 25 should be considered obese. They even consider a BMI of 22 - 25 to be overweight. And you wonder why they live so long.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 10:02
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Yes.
In Japan, a country with an obesity rate below 5%, they consider a BMI of 25 and over to be obese.
Just like how we have vanity sizing in the West, we have vanity BMI. You're definitely overweight if you're 25 BMI unless you are quite stocky with tons of muscle (most people aren't and shouldn't kid themselves). Americans are super fat.
There are lots of different body types and BMI isn’t a good measure of health or fitness. Japanese people tend to be more petite and lighter-boned than other races. They are more prone to osteoporosis as they age. People with a larger frame will weigh more, although it shouldn’t mean they are obese. Nurses are often shocked at how much I weigh, though I don’t look heavy. Maybe I just have denser bones.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 09:56
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
No it's not. Stop being ridiculous.Anonymous wrote:27 BMI IS huge. Even for an American.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 09:53
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes.
In Japan, a country with an obesity rate below 5%, they consider a BMI of 25 and over to be obese.
Just like how we have vanity sizing in the West, we have vanity BMI. You're definitely overweight if you're 25 BMI unless you are quite stocky with tons of muscle (most people aren't and shouldn't kid themselves). Americans are super fat.
The bolded is information to support that BMI is not a good indicator, not that the numbers are "wrong." The difference is a direct result of the difference in median body type of different types of people. A 25 IS likely to represent a high body fat mass on a certain body type and not represent that on a different body type.
It's also just wrong. Japan uses 30 and the <5% number is based on that.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 09:51
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Yes.
In Japan, a country with an obesity rate below 5%, they consider a BMI of 25 and over to be obese.
Just like how we have vanity sizing in the West, we have vanity BMI. You're definitely overweight if you're 25 BMI unless you are quite stocky with tons of muscle (most people aren't and shouldn't kid themselves). Americans are super fat.
The bolded is information to support that BMI is not a good indicator, not that the numbers are "wrong." The difference is a direct result of the difference in median body type of different types of people. A 25 IS likely to represent a high body fat mass on a certain body type and not represent that on a different body type.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 09:34
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?
Yeah, that's because size 8 for in American would probably be like a size 14 abroad in Europe or Asia. Size 8 is probably undoubtedly a large to extra large if you were to go shopping in say Asia. I wouldn't trust US sizing at all.
A size 8 in overweight for most women. In America we are conditioned to think it is normal or ideal. It is not.
How do you define "normal" and "ideal"?
Look at the photos of Americans in the 1970s or even 80s. That is normal and ideal.
Why?
Anonymous
05/16/2024 09:33
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?
Yeah, that's because size 8 for in American would probably be like a size 14 abroad in Europe or Asia. Size 8 is probably undoubtedly a large to extra large if you were to go shopping in say Asia. I wouldn't trust US sizing at all.
A size 8 in overweight for most women. In America we are conditioned to think it is normal or ideal. It is not.
How do you define "normal" and "ideal"?
Look at the photos of Americans in the 1970s or even 80s. That is normal and ideal.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 09:32
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?
Yeah, that's because size 8 for in American would probably be like a size 14 abroad in Europe or Asia. Size 8 is probably undoubtedly a large to extra large if you were to go shopping in say Asia. I wouldn't trust US sizing at all.
A size 8 in overweight for most women. In America we are conditioned to think it is normal or ideal. It is not.
How do you define "normal" and "ideal"?
Anonymous
05/16/2024 08:43
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?
Yeah, that's because size 8 for in American would probably be like a size 14 abroad in Europe or Asia. Size 8 is probably undoubtedly a large to extra large if you were to go shopping in say Asia. I wouldn't trust US sizing at all.
A size 8 in overweight for most women. In America we are conditioned to think it is normal or ideal. It is not.
Size 0 is the new 6
Anonymous
05/16/2024 08:42
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?
Yeah, that's because size 8 for in American would probably be like a size 14 abroad in Europe or Asia. Size 8 is probably undoubtedly a large to extra large if you were to go shopping in say Asia. I wouldn't trust US sizing at all.
A size 8 in overweight for most women. In America we are conditioned to think it is normal or ideal. It is not.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 08:14
Subject: 27 should be considered obese BMI now?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:BMI is a terrible metric. A muscly 27 is leagues away from a flabby 27?
Sure. And 1/1000 women over the age of 35 fall into that category. The rest are fat and have poor cardiovascular health.
Untrue. About 25% who are “fat” or 27 bmi have cardiovascular issues.
The borderline for poor cardiovascular health isn’t “needing medical attention.”If thats your threshold, your quality of life isn’t going to be very good after the age of 65. The data bares that out.