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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I checked the link at the beginning of the thread, there's no "debate" - it's just the obnoxious, arrogant brit banjo player on a stage ranting.

Shrug. Many people felt that Nancy Pelosi's arguments rang hollow, while Winston Marshal's rang true. Clearly you have a different opinion, and that's fine.

I guess Marshal's comments might make sense to people who only have a broken and flawed understanding of things. Marshal, like many on the right, seem to think that the anarchist black bloc and Antifa in Portland are "Democrats" or "progressives" and that they are somehow aligned with people like Pelosi and the Democrats. That's untrue and has been for years. The same groups protested WTO in the 1990s. They protested against Obama policies in the Occupy movement. They disrupted a Biden speech and other Democrat events. They protested against the Democratic mayor of Portland and tried attacking him.

They do not support Democrats, and Democrats do not support them.

While there are some slivers of superficial ideological alignment such as social justice and reducing police brutality, there are many chasms of deep ideological disjoint and divide, for example the anarchists want capitalism abolished. Democrats do not. Democrats are statists, whereas Antifa and the black bloc want the state dismantled. Democrats want police reforms like better training and accountability, whereas the black bloc wants police eliminated outright. Democrats believe in change through elections, legislation and policy, whereas the black bloc doesn't care about those and seeks change through direct action - violence and property destruction. Those are serious and deep divides. Democrats universally reject the violence of the black bloc and Pelosi and others have repeatedly denounced them.

But if you, like Marshal seems to, only ever followed conservative sources, you would never understand those important differences, as conservative media routinely just indiscriminately smears these two very different groups together as if they were all one monolithic bloc, which is why his comments would somehow "make sense" to you even if in reality they make no sense whatsoever.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I checked the link at the beginning of the thread, there's no "debate" - it's just the obnoxious, arrogant brit banjo player on a stage ranting.

Shrug. Many people felt that Nancy Pelosi's arguments rang hollow, while Winston Marshal's rang true. Clearly you have a different opinion, and that's fine.

There was no debate. Nancy Pelosi was seated in the audience. At one point he called her out and referenced the Portland protesters and tried claiming there was some kind of equivalence between that and J6. He referred to the Portland protesters as "progressives" and called out Pelosi and "elites" - which is totally incorrect, they are anarchocommunists and have absolutely nothing to do with Democrats, have absolutely nothing to do with Pelosi (and in fact they hate Pelosi and the Democrats) - and they hate the elites, too - which is why they are anarchocommunists. Pelosi pushed back on the equivalence between the Portland protesters and J6 not because of any support for the Portland violence, but because there is no equivalence. The Portland protesters, as bad as they were, didn't try to pull a national coup d'etat, didn't try to violently overturn a legitimate election for the US President. Apples and oranges. Not to mention that Marshal is far more of an elite than Pelosi. She grew up the daughter of a public servant, he grew up in European nobility, the son of a hedge fund billionaire who attended an elite private school and who spent most of his life as a Trustafarian without any real jobs, before becoming a banjo player and getting a band to let him join because he had lots of money. And Mumford and Sons kicked him out of the band because he became too much of an insufferable ass for them to bear.

Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I checked the link at the beginning of the thread, there's no "debate" - it's just the obnoxious, arrogant brit banjo player on a stage ranting.

Shrug. Many people felt that Nancy Pelosi's arguments rang hollow, while Winston Marshal's rang true. Clearly you have a different opinion, and that's fine.

I don't get it. I checked the link at the beginning of the thread, there's no "debate" - it's just the obnoxious, arrogant brit banjo player on a stage ranting.

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Anonymous wrote:The most embarrassing speech in the history of the union. She absolutely cannot stay on subject and felt into her propaganda mode.

Exactly.

+100
She truly is an embarrassment.

Anonymous wrote:The most embarrassing speech in the history of the union. She absolutely cannot stay on subject and felt into her propaganda mode.

Exactly.

The most embarrassing speech in the history of the union. She absolutely cannot stay on subject and felt into her propaganda mode.

Did Kamala wrote the speech for Nancy? Did anyone understand what she was even saying?

Anonymous wrote:[youtube] https://youtu.be/uKGf8VKOrA4?si=7yb5Y-rpJJZ4Fb1b[/youtube]

https://youtu.be/uKGf8VKOrA4?si=7yb5Y-rpJJZ4Fb1b

Nancy shows her disdain for the average American voter, the average American citizen and shows the elite political class and the Democrat party are basically the Capital from the Hunger Games.

When you get destroyed by the banjo player from Mumford and Sons it’s time to delete your socials and go to the retirement home.

First for her rambling incoherent nonsense is an embarrassment to our country, but the fact she is so incoherent yet sure of herself is even more concerning.

Oof…here is some water for those burns Nancy..you just got cooked!

What a clown show.

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Anonymous wrote:I still remember when they said “Shut up and sing.”

For REAL.

Who told who to shut up and sing?

LOL this is the funniest thread on Political forum.

TOTALLY AGREE!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't give two hoots in Hell about the Oxford Union
She was one of the best, if not the best, Speakers of the US House of Representatives as well as the first woman to hold this position. Compare her to the disastrous GOP McCarthy and Johnson elections.

Sure. She was really "the best"!! Nothing embarrassing about her at all.

Welcome to the circus.

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Anonymous wrote:Should we have a government organization that gets to decide who is a valid political commentator? I mean, musicians obviously don't make the cut.

Biden administration tried it with their truth ministry at DHS…it got out in the back burner because people are a little too aware.

But…your ad hominem attacks don’t mean anything. The content of the debate is what matters and it seems the “progressive” left can’t refute his point.

The left and the democrat party are a cabal of elites that have disdain for the real American voter. She shows it.

She was throughly defeated and it highlights her elitist views. It also shows the Washington DC crowd are like the capital of the hunger games…ignorant, delusional, stupid, condescending, corrupt and evil.

Who are “the real American voters?” Instead of blabbing about the elite Left and name calling, can you tell us how the GOP and Trump are for the working class? Like specific policies? Things Trump or the GOP has done that show he/the party cares about the working class vs. the rich/corporations?

Anonymous wrote:Read his family background - he is literally an elite from birth. He was born into a billionaire family. The irony of him throwing around the “elite” label at anyone else.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Marshall

It’s like a certain segment of kids born into extreme wealth have an obsession with castigating anyone else as “elite.”

Ps - he’s no longer part of Mumford & Sons. He was kicked out of the band because they didn’t want to be associated with his hard right political views.

This is something that I don’t understand. Don’t GOP supporters see through the farce? Like Elon and Tucker yapping about the elite when they are the elite. I’m not a fan of Pelosi but give me a break. There is the 1% (on both sides) and there’s the rest of us.

Anonymous wrote:

Winston Marshall was the banjo player for Mumford & Sons. Try to keep up.