Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 11:46     Subject: Re:Why is this election any different?

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Anonymous wrote:Can any of you explain why Kamala is so hated? I get that she was given some of the worst assignments in the administration, e.g. the border. In my opinion that one is not solvable without legislation but Trump killed that.

From my standpoint, even if the worst happens, Kamala is going to have a decent set of competent people around her running the agencies and in the cabinet. I also think she is way smarter than anyone is giving her credit for. She was AG of California. She was a Senator. Personally, I think much of the criticism stems from misogyny.

On the other hand, I am scared of who Trump will have around him. Steven Miller, Steve Bannon, Seb Gorka, Roger Stone, as well as Trump sycophants whose only qualification is that they believe the 2020 election was stolen.

Have none of you been listening when one by one the people like Miley, McMaster, Mark Esper, John Bolton? There are others but those are off the top of my head.

Someone please explain it to me because I don’t get it.


I agree completely. I get not loving her, but I don’t understand the hatred. She strikes me as a normal bland politician - maybe not my first choice but certainly not concerning or risky in any real way.


The same was said about Biden - based on the state of the economy and country - he doesn't have the most competent people running agencies and in his cabinet.


Inflation is better in the US than anywhere else in the world. Yes, it is an issue, but the ideas the GOP are floating will make it a lot worse. In the meantime, jobs are up, unemplyment is down, GDP is up...what is this "bad economy"?

Stop paying attention to the handful of "students' who are making headlines across the country. They are being influenced by the same forces who brought you "antifa" and the Floyd "riots"


THIS. It is the dark money arrived to save Donald Trump, they hope.

So much of how people perceive things is skewed by the “mainstream media,” a corporate owned conglomeration that very much wants us to elect Republicans so that rich people can be left alone and can continue to make money off our lives. Ask yourself: what would insulin cost if the GOP were in charge right now? Would they have also moved to force airlines to refund fliers? Would there be any consumer protections at all? No. Because the wealthy want to charge us and fee us into misery.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 10:56     Subject: Why is this election any different?

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Anonymous wrote:Are we facing the most consequential presidential election of our time? Why every election is labeled as such? Isn't every election consequential? Every second of every life is consequential? Why dramatize whatever election we happen to be facing as THE ONE? Is it because for first time we have two equally bad choices?


The choices aren't "equally" bad but it is the first time in our history we don't have at least one major party candidate that most can agree is fit to lead the country for the duration of the term they are seeking. For this reason, this election does present us with the two weakest major party candidates in American history. Acknowledging this fact and demanding better from our two failing major political parties is the first crucial step in recovery by 2028.


We can demand better, but polling and other metrics suggest that Biden is the only democrat who can beat Trump. So that is our choice, an old Biden or an authoritarian.

In 2028, the country will have two open primaries where ideas and young blood will have a chance, but for right now, even traditional conservatives are voting for Biden because they know what is at stake.


oh please, inflation is from running 8%+ fiscal deficits for years

Come on, you don't know what's going to happen in 2028. At all. The fact that we will have young blood is totally wrong. We might but I don't know why the young blood wouldn't want to go all in as a Dem in this election because running v Trump is not a hard race! The other unknown is whether 2028 will see better times for any of us if Biden gets elected. Not suggesting it would be better with Trump but I don't know how much better Biden will make out, truly I don't. It could be that we're in such shit that GOP running anyone except for Trump gets elected. We're in much deeper waters if that happens from a SCOTUS perspective and if they have a strong candidate that could actually mean 8 more years (gasp!). I would actually go with Trump now and get it over with actually. I do not believe he can screw us up anymore than we are already with 2 wars + inflation + Kamala as Biden's back up. It's the Devil you know that is a safer bet than the devil you don't. Biden's definitely not all there anymore or if he is, he won't be for another 4 years.


Inflation is a result of COVID. It is a worldwide issue and it is better here than anywhere else.
What are the two wars the US is in? Please name them.
Kamala is a former State AG for the largest state in the US and a former US Senator. She is highly qualified by any metric to be president. Certainly moreso than Pence was.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 10:56     Subject: Why is this election any different?

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Anonymous wrote:Are we facing the most consequential presidential election of our time? Why every election is labeled as such? Isn't every election consequential? Every second of every life is consequential? Why dramatize whatever election we happen to be facing as THE ONE? Is it because for first time we have two equally bad choices?


The choices aren't "equally" bad but it is the first time in our history we don't have at least one major party candidate that most can agree is fit to lead the country for the duration of the term they are seeking. For this reason, this election does present us with the two weakest major party candidates in American history. Acknowledging this fact and demanding better from our two failing major political parties is the first crucial step in recovery by 2028.


We can demand better, but polling and other metrics suggest that Biden is the only democrat who can beat Trump. So that is our choice, an old Biden or an authoritarian.

In 2028, the country will have two open primaries where ideas and young blood will have a chance, but for right now, even traditional conservatives are voting for Biden because they know what is at stake.


Come on, you don't know what's going to happen in 2028. At all. The fact that we will have young blood is totally wrong. We might but I don't know why the young blood wouldn't want to go all in as a Dem in this election because running v Trump is not a hard race! The other unknown is whether 2028 will see better times for any of us if Biden gets elected. Not suggesting it would be better with Trump but I don't know how much better Biden will make out, truly I don't. It could be that we're in such shit that GOP running anyone except for Trump gets elected. We're in much deeper waters if that happens from a SCOTUS perspective and if they have a strong candidate that could actually mean 8 more years (gasp!). I would actually go with Trump now and get it over with actually. I do not believe he can screw us up anymore than we are already with 2 wars + inflation + Kamala as Biden's back up. It's the Devil you know that is a safer bet than the devil you don't. Biden's definitely not all there anymore or if he is, he won't be for another 4 years.


If Trump gets elected., there won't be valid presidential elections in 2028. I don't think you are getting it. He tried a coup once, and it failed. His appointees in the federal judiciary and supreme court are delaying things so he has a chance to do it again.


Such fearmongering brought on by media companies exploiting the stupid. Stop watching CNN and MSNBC.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 10:54     Subject: Why is this election any different?

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Oops, quoted the wrong person. I was speaking about the person who was scared of who Trump will surround himself with in his next term.


What did Michael Flynn did when he was at power that terrifies you?


He is an open traitor to the US who has aligned with russia, engineered the J6 coup attempt and is otherwise an evil enemy of the USA.


Is he any different from those aligned with Israel or Ukraine?
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 10:51     Subject: Re:Why is this election any different?

Anonymous wrote:Oh, please. We don't have two "equally bad choices." We have an old, but competent middle-of-his-party politician. And we have an old wanna-be dictator.


plato was right, democracy is overrated, should've never gave the vote to women and 18 year olds.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 10:16     Subject: Re:Why is this election any different?

Oh, please. We don't have two "equally bad choices." We have an old, but competent middle-of-his-party politician. And we have an old wanna-be dictator.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 10:13     Subject: Why is this election any different?

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Anonymous wrote:Are we facing the most consequential presidential election of our time? Why every election is labeled as such? Isn't every election consequential? Every second of every life is consequential? Why dramatize whatever election we happen to be facing as THE ONE? Is it because for first time we have two equally bad choices?


The choices aren't "equally" bad but it is the first time in our history we don't have at least one major party candidate that most can agree is fit to lead the country for the duration of the term they are seeking. For this reason, this election does present us with the two weakest major party candidates in American history. Acknowledging this fact and demanding better from our two failing major political parties is the first crucial step in recovery by 2028.


We can demand better, but polling and other metrics suggest that Biden is the only democrat who can beat Trump. So that is our choice, an old Biden or an authoritarian.

In 2028, the country will have two open primaries where ideas and young blood will have a chance, but for right now, even traditional conservatives are voting for Biden because they know what is at stake.


Come on, you don't know what's going to happen in 2028. At all. The fact that we will have young blood is totally wrong. We might but I don't know why the young blood wouldn't want to go all in as a Dem in this election because running v Trump is not a hard race! The other unknown is whether 2028 will see better times for any of us if Biden gets elected. Not suggesting it would be better with Trump but I don't know how much better Biden will make out, truly I don't. It could be that we're in such shit that GOP running anyone except for Trump gets elected. We're in much deeper waters if that happens from a SCOTUS perspective and if they have a strong candidate that could actually mean 8 more years (gasp!). I would actually go with Trump now and get it over with actually. I do not believe he can screw us up anymore than we are already with 2 wars + inflation + Kamala as Biden's back up. It's the Devil you know that is a safer bet than the devil you don't. Biden's definitely not all there anymore or if he is, he won't be for another 4 years.


Inflation is a result of COVID. It is a worldwide issue and it is better here than anywhere else.
What are the two wars the US is in? Please name them.
Kamala is a former State AG for the largest state in the US and a former US Senator. She is highly qualified by any metric to be president. Certainly moreso than Pence was.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 10:11     Subject: Why is this election any different?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Are we facing the most consequential presidential election of our time? Why every election is labeled as such? Isn't every election consequential? Every second of every life is consequential? Why dramatize whatever election we happen to be facing as THE ONE? Is it because for first time we have two equally bad choices?


The choices aren't "equally" bad but it is the first time in our history we don't have at least one major party candidate that most can agree is fit to lead the country for the duration of the term they are seeking. For this reason, this election does present us with the two weakest major party candidates in American history. Acknowledging this fact and demanding better from our two failing major political parties is the first crucial step in recovery by 2028.


We can demand better, but polling and other metrics suggest that Biden is the only democrat who can beat Trump. So that is our choice, an old Biden or an authoritarian.

In 2028, the country will have two open primaries where ideas and young blood will have a chance, but for right now, even traditional conservatives are voting for Biden because they know what is at stake.


Come on, you don't know what's going to happen in 2028. At all. The fact that we will have young blood is totally wrong. We might but I don't know why the young blood wouldn't want to go all in as a Dem in this election because running v Trump is not a hard race! The other unknown is whether 2028 will see better times for any of us if Biden gets elected. Not suggesting it would be better with Trump but I don't know how much better Biden will make out, truly I don't. It could be that we're in such shit that GOP running anyone except for Trump gets elected. We're in much deeper waters if that happens from a SCOTUS perspective and if they have a strong candidate that could actually mean 8 more years (gasp!). I would actually go with Trump now and get it over with actually. I do not believe he can screw us up anymore than we are already with 2 wars + inflation + Kamala as Biden's back up. It's the Devil you know that is a safer bet than the devil you don't. Biden's definitely not all there anymore or if he is, he won't be for another 4 years.


If Trump gets elected., there won't be valid presidential elections in 2028. I don't think you are getting it. He tried a coup once, and it failed. His appointees in the federal judiciary and supreme court are delaying things so he has a chance to do it again.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 10:11     Subject: Re:Why is this election any different?

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Anonymous wrote:Can any of you explain why Kamala is so hated? I get that she was given some of the worst assignments in the administration, e.g. the border. In my opinion that one is not solvable without legislation but Trump killed that.

From my standpoint, even if the worst happens, Kamala is going to have a decent set of competent people around her running the agencies and in the cabinet. I also think she is way smarter than anyone is giving her credit for. She was AG of California. She was a Senator. Personally, I think much of the criticism stems from misogyny.

On the other hand, I am scared of who Trump will have around him. Steven Miller, Steve Bannon, Seb Gorka, Roger Stone, as well as Trump sycophants whose only qualification is that they believe the 2020 election was stolen.

Have none of you been listening when one by one the people like Miley, McMaster, Mark Esper, John Bolton? There are others but those are off the top of my head.

Someone please explain it to me because I don’t get it.


I agree completely. I get not loving her, but I don’t understand the hatred. She strikes me as a normal bland politician - maybe not my first choice but certainly not concerning or risky in any real way.


The same was said about Biden - based on the state of the economy and country - he doesn't have the most competent people running agencies and in his cabinet.


Liar.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 10:02     Subject: Why is this election any different?

News Flash: Intelligence and experience matters, even if you’re half Indian and half African, also if you’re male, female or something in between. Intelligence is paramount, at least it should be.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 10:01     Subject: Why is this election any different?

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Are we facing the most consequential presidential election of our time? Why every election is labeled as such? Isn't every election consequential? Every second of every life is consequential? Why dramatize whatever election we happen to be facing as THE ONE? Is it because for first time we have two equally bad choices?


The choices aren't "equally" bad but it is the first time in our history we don't have at least one major party candidate that most can agree is fit to lead the country for the duration of the term they are seeking. For this reason, this election does present us with the two weakest major party candidates in American history. Acknowledging this fact and demanding better from our two failing major political parties is the first crucial step in recovery by 2028.


We can demand better, but polling and other metrics suggest that Biden is the only democrat who can beat Trump. So that is our choice, an old Biden or an authoritarian.

In 2028, the country will have two open primaries where ideas and young blood will have a chance, but for right now, even traditional conservatives are voting for Biden because they know what is at stake.


Come on, you don't know what's going to happen in 2028. At all. The fact that we will have young blood is totally wrong. We might but I don't know why the young blood wouldn't want to go all in as a Dem in this election because running v Trump is not a hard race! The other unknown is whether 2028 will see better times for any of us if Biden gets elected. Not suggesting it would be better with Trump but I don't know how much better Biden will make out, truly I don't. It could be that we're in such shit that GOP running anyone except for Trump gets elected. We're in much deeper waters if that happens from a SCOTUS perspective and if they have a strong candidate that could actually mean 8 more years (gasp!). I would actually go with Trump now and get it over with actually. I do not believe he can screw us up anymore than we are already with 2 wars + inflation + Kamala as Biden's back up. It's the Devil you know that is a safer bet than the devil you don't. Biden's definitely not all there anymore or if he is, he won't be for another 4 years.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 09:59     Subject: Why is this election any different?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^^^ Oops, quoted the wrong person. I was speaking about the person who was scared of who Trump will surround himself with in his next term.


What did Michael Flynn did when he was at power that terrifies you?


He is an open traitor to the US who has aligned with russia, engineered the J6 coup attempt and is otherwise an evil enemy of the USA.



And he was a GO. The WORST kind of traitor anyone can be. He should 100% be at Leavenworth for life.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 09:55     Subject: Why is this election any different?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^^^ Oops, quoted the wrong person. I was speaking about the person who was scared of who Trump will surround himself with in his next term.


What did Michael Flynn did when he was at power that terrifies you?


He is an open traitor to the US who has aligned with russia, engineered the J6 coup attempt and is otherwise an evil enemy of the USA.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 09:55     Subject: Why is this election any different?

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Anonymous wrote:Because one national party is nominating an irredeemably corrupt, incompetent, idiotic sociopath for President and hundreds of his brainless, soulless sycophants for the House and Senate.


Voting Trump and straight GOP ticket to stop this from happening!

Well said!


Me too! Must stop the threat to democracy that is Joe Biden!!


A vote for Trump or Biden is a vote to continue the deterioration of our country. What is wrong with you people? You can't see the forest for the trees.


Not understanding what the other option is


DP - option of not turning out to vote for either fool! Force a conversation about why politics is sucking across the board for both parties - all parties! Force the powers to be to recognize the Americans are sick of how we are sliding into the abyss as a country. Admit that we have broken parts - we have shit that needs to be fixed or at least given a second look to prioritize for fixing. We have hard conversations to raise and we should not continue on the status quo path.



There’s a reason foreign trolls discourage people from voting. Sitting out an election is dumb and dangerous.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2024 09:54     Subject: Re:Why is this election any different?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can any of you explain why Kamala is so hated? I get that she was given some of the worst assignments in the administration, e.g. the border. In my opinion that one is not solvable without legislation but Trump killed that.

From my standpoint, even if the worst happens, Kamala is going to have a decent set of competent people around her running the agencies and in the cabinet. I also think she is way smarter than anyone is giving her credit for. She was AG of California. She was a Senator. Personally, I think much of the criticism stems from misogyny.

On the other hand, I am scared of who Trump will have around him. Steven Miller, Steve Bannon, Seb Gorka, Roger Stone, as well as Trump sycophants whose only qualification is that they believe the 2020 election was stolen.

Have none of you been listening when one by one the people like Miley, McMaster, Mark Esper, John Bolton? There are others but those are off the top of my head.

Someone please explain it to me because I don’t get it.


I agree completely. I get not loving her, but I don’t understand the hatred. She strikes me as a normal bland politician - maybe not my first choice but certainly not concerning or risky in any real way.


The same was said about Biden - based on the state of the economy and country - he doesn't have the most competent people running agencies and in his cabinet.


Inflation is better in the US than anywhere else in the world. Yes, it is an issue, but the ideas the GOP are floating will make it a lot worse. In the meantime, jobs are up, unemplyment is down, GDP is up...what is this "bad economy"?

Stop paying attention to the handful of "students' who are making headlines across the country. They are being influenced by the same forces who brought you "antifa" and the Floyd "riots"