Anonymous wrote:Top 20

RANK UNIVERSITY LOCATION
1 Stanford University Stanford, CA
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology, MA
3 Harvard University Cambridge, MA
4 Princeton University Princeton, NJ
5 Yale University New Haven, CT
6 Columbia University New York City, NY
7 University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA
8 Brown University Providence, RI
9 Northwestern University Evanston, IL
10 University of Chicago Chicago, IL
11 University of California, Berkeley Berkeley, CA
12 University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI
13 University of Notre Dame Notre Dame, IN
14 University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA
15 Vanderbilt University Nashville, TN
16 Dartmouth College Hanover, NH
17 Duke University Durham, NC
18 University of California, Los Angeles CA
19 John Hopkins University Baltimore, MD
20 Cornell University Ithaca, NY

Anonymous wrote:Surprised how popular Michigan is!

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Anonymous wrote:This tracks with our experience getting to know actual Vanderbilt students (DC is enrolled now) -- the student really, really do want to be there. They are not sad that they're not at USC, or Brown, or Chicago. Vanderbilt was their target all along ... regardless of where it falls on this year's USNWR list.

They know it ranks lower than Brown, and the current students we know don't seem to care because they're completely different products. That's why they (and so many other enrolled students) do ED, even before test optional came onto the scene.

I would guess the situation is the same at some of the other very distinctive schools, like Dartmouth and Columbia.

vs., I could personally see the same individual being agnostic between, say, Duke and Northwestern.

What does the last sentence mean ?

If I understand, then this poster doesn't have a clue.

The same applicant who has a evidence-based shot at admission to either Duke or Northwestern will feel equal attraction to both for undergrad, in many cases. Duke and Northwestern undergrad experiences are not so different from each other; neither are campus vibes.

The pre-professional applicant who is med school / law school / biz school or bust cannot credibly say that these are two very different academic experiences. Brown? Chicago? UCLA? Very different from Duke. But Northwestern is not.

NW is more nerdy/grindy while Duke is more Preppy. Brown, UCLA, and Duke are in one group while Chicago and NW are in another

Anonymous wrote:But I dont really care about Yale vs Princeton.

I would be more interested in kids who pick UT Austin over Rice. Or Rice over Northwestern. Or Northwestern over Notre Dame. Or Notre Dame over Dartmouth.

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Anonymous wrote:This tracks with our experience getting to know actual Vanderbilt students (DC is enrolled now) -- the student really, really do want to be there. They are not sad that they're not at USC, or Brown, or Chicago. Vanderbilt was their target all along ... regardless of where it falls on this year's USNWR list.

They know it ranks lower than Brown, and the current students we know don't seem to care because they're completely different products. That's why they (and so many other enrolled students) do ED, even before test optional came onto the scene.

I would guess the situation is the same at some of the other very distinctive schools, like Dartmouth and Columbia.

vs., I could personally see the same individual being agnostic between, say, Duke and Northwestern.

What does the last sentence mean ?

If I understand, then this poster doesn't have a clue.

The same applicant who has a evidence-based shot at admission to either Duke or Northwestern will feel equal attraction to both for undergrad, in many cases. Duke and Northwestern undergrad experiences are not so different from each other; neither are campus vibes.

The pre-professional applicant who is med school / law school / biz school or bust cannot credibly say that these are two very different academic experiences. Brown? Chicago? UCLA? Very different from Duke. But Northwestern is not.

NW is more nerdy/grindy while Duke is more Preppy. Brown, UCLA, and Duke are in one group while Chicago and NW are in another

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Anonymous wrote:This tracks with our experience getting to know actual Vanderbilt students (DC is enrolled now) -- the student really, really do want to be there. They are not sad that they're not at USC, or Brown, or Chicago. Vanderbilt was their target all along ... regardless of where it falls on this year's USNWR list.

They know it ranks lower than Brown, and the current students we know don't seem to care because they're completely different products. That's why they (and so many other enrolled students) do ED, even before test optional came onto the scene.

I would guess the situation is the same at some of the other very distinctive schools, like Dartmouth and Columbia.

vs., I could personally see the same individual being agnostic between, say, Duke and Northwestern.

What does the last sentence mean ?

If I understand, then this poster doesn't have a clue.

The same applicant who has a evidence-based shot at admission to either Duke or Northwestern will feel equal attraction to both for undergrad, in many cases. Duke and Northwestern undergrad experiences are not so different from each other; neither are campus vibes.

The pre-professional applicant who is med school / law school / biz school or bust cannot credibly say that these are two very different academic experiences. Brown? Chicago? UCLA? Very different from Duke. But Northwestern is not.

Anonymous wrote:If this becomes a popular ranking system, then it is absolutely going to suck as schools become even more aggressive about yield. For pity's sake, don't encourage it.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does the cross admit data come from? If it's Parchment then it's unreliable data...

What do you base that on? I've heard that the cross admit data is very accurate for schools with large applicant figures, but less so for smaller schools.

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Anonymous wrote:This tracks with our experience getting to know actual Vanderbilt students (DC is enrolled now) -- the student really, really do want to be there. They are not sad that they're not at USC, or Brown, or Chicago. Vanderbilt was their target all along ... regardless of where it falls on this year's USNWR list.

They know it ranks lower than Brown, and the current students we know don't seem to care because they're completely different products. That's why they (and so many other enrolled students) do ED, even before test optional came onto the scene.

I would guess the situation is the same at some of the other very distinctive schools, like Dartmouth and Columbia.

vs., I could personally see the same individual being agnostic between, say, Duke and Northwestern.

What does the last sentence mean ?

If I understand, then this poster doesn't have a clue.