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Anonymous wrote:So I guess we all agree that it is just marketing and the most realistic case is UVA will continue its decline?

I wouldn’t say it will continue to decline, but it never will become the top public university in this country. Too many academic weaknesses to overcome.

Could you expand on the academic weaknesses part

STEM STEM STEM

The other top publics are all string in this very important area. UVA is not.

Does UVA trail other publics in what STEM graduates are paid (considering prevailing cost of living)? Does it have a lower rate of pre-meds getting accepted to medical school? Does it have a lower rate of graduates getting PhDs in STEM fields?

Anonymous wrote:There's nothing scientific about the ranking. It's just how college officials feel about a school.

College presidents, provosts and admissions deans who participated in the annual U.S. News peer assessment survey were asked to nominate up to 15 schools in their Best Colleges ranking category that have strength in undergraduate teaching.

The Best Undergraduate Teaching rankings are based solely on the responses to this separate section of the 2023 peer assessment survey.

It is the same as the reputational rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I guess we all agree that it is just marketing and the most realistic case is UVA will continue its decline?

I wouldn’t say it will continue to decline, but it never will become the top public university in this country. Too many academic weaknesses to overcome.

Could you expand on the academic weaknesses part

STEM STEM STEM

The other top publics are all string in this very important area. UVA is not.

This is not a factor in USNWR undergraduate rankings. UVA is now behind UNC, which barely has engineering. The USNWR shakeups have largely been driven by the deemphasis of factors like student-faculty ratio, class size, alumni giving rates, etc., and the elevation of factors like social mobility driven by Pell Grants.

There's nothing scientific about the ranking. It's just how college officials feel about a school.

College presidents, provosts and admissions deans who participated in the annual U.S. News peer assessment survey were asked to nominate up to 15 schools in their Best Colleges ranking category that have strength in undergraduate teaching.

The Best Undergraduate Teaching rankings are based solely on the responses to this separate section of the 2023 peer assessment survey.

Anonymous wrote:WM is ranked higher for its quality of instruction teaching undergrads

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching

WM #6
UVA #48

UVA has a long way to go to claim that it’s the top public.

Oddly, USNWR does not factor its own undergraduate teaching rating in its overall undergraduate rating. If you compare UVA teaching to the schools above it (Berkeley, UCLA, UNC, etc.), I doubt that it is worse in undergraduate teaching. It doesn't factor.

Anonymous wrote:So I guess we all agree that it is just marketing and the most realistic case is UVA will continue its decline?

Absolutely! Stop the presses! Do you hear that, all you top 5% of Virginia high school students who are applying and accepted to UVA??? STOP! Do not attend UVA bc it’s on the decline; you need to believe an anonymous poster.

I’ve told my two current Hoos that they need to withdraw immediately and not to bother finishing their finals since UVA has declined so much that no other school will accept the credit. Oy vey, why did I waste so much money???

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I guess we all agree that it is just marketing and the most realistic case is UVA will continue its decline?

I wouldn’t say it will continue to decline, but it never will become the top public university in this country. Too many academic weaknesses to overcome.

Could you expand on the academic weaknesses part

STEM STEM STEM

The other top publics are all string in this very important area. UVA is not.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I guess we all agree that it is just marketing and the most realistic case is UVA will continue its decline?

I wouldn’t say it will continue to decline, but it never will become the top public university in this country. Too many academic weaknesses to overcome.

Could you expand on the academic weaknesses part