Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 17:50     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Anonymous wrote:If you are pale then you really need some makeup to not look washed out on Zoom/Teams. With light makeup I don't look like I'm wearing makeup, I just don't look like a ghost. I don't like looking like a featureless ghost so I spend 2 minutes every morning putting makeup on, then 10 seconds a couple times a day reapplying lipstick. Yes, men don't do this but it's also not that difficult to do.


So what if you look pale? What’s wrong with light skin tones?

Wear all the makeup you want, just be honest that it’s an attempt to be more attractive and perpetuating the patriarchy.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 17:36     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Men can be bald or have whatever hair God gave them but every single woman in a managerial position where I work has stick straight, shoulder length hair. Shorter is too matronly and absolutely no curl whatsoever! It's unprofessional! The black women wear wigs.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 17:25     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
If you are pale then you really need some makeup to not look washed out on Zoom/Teams. With light makeup I don't look like I'm wearing makeup, I just don't look like a ghost. I don't like looking like a featureless ghost so I spend 2 minutes every morning putting makeup on, then 10 seconds a couple times a day reapplying lipstick. Yes, men don't do this but it's also not that difficult to do.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 17:09     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Anonymous wrote:No one forces women to doll up.

Pretending that our society doesn’t reward women for dolling up doesn’t make that true, unfortunately.
And suggesting it’s simply the woman’s fault for feeling that immense pressure and “choosing” to do so is essentially victim-blaming and does nothing to help the actual problem.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 17:01     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
I wear a little bit of makeup (bad skin) but never blow out my hair LOL. I'm trying to bring beachy waves back.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 16:59     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Anonymous wrote:This is true for so many things. My pet peeve example - Mens swimwear. Baggy! Pockets!


How about how elite female athletes have to show off their bodies (become eye candy) and men don’t.

Examples: volleyball and gymnastics
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 16:54     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Women dress up for other women. They are more concerned about what the women think of them. I admit this about myself. It’s. It the patriarchy telling us to dress up. We are doing for each other . It’s a competition.


"We do?" I dress for myself.


Sure you do.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 15:35     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
When I worked in recruiting and in hospitality in the mid - 80’s there was a strict dress code for women. No pants and you had to wear pantyhose.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 14:23     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else surprised that someone who's getting a blowout for an interview wears zero makeup? It's different from not paying any attention to your appearance at all. Just wondering what her thinking was.

(Not saying that makes gender norms or discrimination based on appearance okay!)


I blow out my hair almost every day and rarely wear makeup.


I read "blowout" as done by a professional, vs blowdrying your hair yourself. So per my above that is a lot of effort to put in and then decide no makeup. A lot of "clean makeup" is still some makeup.


She said she blew out her own hair not done professionally
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 14:21     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Try working in the medical pharmacy industry.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 14:16     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Anonymous wrote:In society women are judged on looks, men on providing


I had written a long-winded post but this pretty much sums it up
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 13:48     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
The patriarchy at this point is basically just women v women. And religion.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 13:47     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Anonymous wrote:Women impose it on themselves, lol.


I WFH with an immediate team of mostly women. When it’s just women in a meeting, it’s highly likely that no one puts makeup on. Hair’s often wet or pulled up in a quick pony tail. Clothing is t-shirts and sweatshirts. No one blinks because we it’s a relief to not have to take the time to put on makeup or fix our hair sometimes. We know we’re getting our work done, we don’t care.

When the meetings expand to include more men, there’s an unstated expectation that you put more effort into your appearance. Not to attract, but to be taken seriously. The men, meanwhile, can show up the same each and every time. Throw a baseball cap on and join the Zoom.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 13:38     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Women impose it on themselves, lol.
Anonymous
Post 04/22/2024 13:04     Subject: Why women are forced to doll up while men aren't?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You consider Bezos, Zuckerberg, Nadella, Buffet, Gates, Pichai, Ellison attractive?


Very few of those rose through the ranks. Founders can look however they want. When you're mid-level exec, you don't have the luxury of looking unprofessional.

OP - yes, women are held to a different beauty standard and it's unfair, but I'll submit that women also enjoy more tools at their disposal for achieving those standards. As a man, if I want to fix or hide my physical shortcomings, I can't transform my face in the same way that women can. So the bar is sometimes set at different heights, but the ability to achieve those different heights also varies across genders.


Leave it to a man to twist gender discrimination against women to somehow paint himself as a victim. And I understand that you will NEVER get it. Get what's it's like to be a women held to gender standards and to have to go above and beyond to be considered for a job.

You don't have to "transform your face" to be taken seriously and get a job (though I'd say you can absolutely do facials, botox, and some other things that women use and i knwo that men do use). Women do. As this article illustrates. That's not just unfair, it's discrimination. And unless those appearance standards are job-related-and in most if not all situations they are not- it is illegal discrimination.


lol

me: "women are held to a different beauty standard and it's unfair"
you: "Leave it to a man to twist gender discrimination against women to somehow paint himself as a victim" and "you will NEVER get it"

Way to alienate allies. I hope your lonely rage brings you comfort.