Anonymous
04/22/2024 09:37
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.
Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.
You made a huge jump to get UVA and Gtown into the conversation. Bottom elite at best. What's the next tier after "Bottom Elite"?
UVA and Georgetown are much more "elite" than Umich. Especially Georgetown. I honestly would consider Umich as a step below the bottom elite. Umich is not that hard to get into. I would add UNC and USC in the Umich category.
It's common in my neighborhood for kids that get rejected at UVA to go U Mich. It is hard for kids at large NoVa schools to get into UVA. We had 22 U Michigan admits at our HS (out of 240 students). We had 6 UVA. We had 1 Georgetown. It's almost impossible to get into Georgetown at our NoVA public HS. There are 0-1 admitted each year out of a large class--and if there are more they are almost always legacy.
Anonymous
04/22/2024 09:34
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.
Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.
You made a huge jump to get UVA and Gtown into the conversation. Bottom elite at best. What's the next tier after "Bottom Elite"?
Gtown is considered elite around the world. It gets sh*t on this area because it's here and people always know faculty kids or legacies.
But- Gtown is hard as hell to get into. EA had only a 5% admit rate into College of Arts & Sciences.
Gtown has been the only school to continually require standardized test scores--all of them. It's not on the common app and has 4 long essays. Right there it automatically self-selected the Applicant pool. Other schools have about 50% of Applicants that get ditched in the can w/out even looking and their admit rates are false since they generate a large # of applicants with advertising, test optional and limited or no essays. What is a 12% advertised admit rate at GU is really more like a 6%.
Fwiw, my husband a Hopkins alum was rejected at GU as was my Yale student nephew last year. If a kid is in politics-govt-IR it is ranked higher than the Ivies. It's business program is great.
Anonymous
04/22/2024 09:31
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.
Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.
You made a huge jump to get UVA and Gtown into the conversation. Bottom elite at best. What's the next tier after "Bottom Elite"?
UVA and Georgetown are much more "elite" than Umich. Especially Georgetown. I honestly would consider Umich as a step below the bottom elite. Umich is not that hard to get into. I would add UNC and USC in the Umich category.
Anonymous
04/22/2024 09:29
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:Top 25 Univ & Top 15 LACs. Period.
For LAC's its weird too many academy schools are in the T10. They're like the public schools of the T25 unis; they aren't as prestigious.
Anonymous
04/22/2024 09:24
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Top 25 Univ & Top 15 LACs. Period.
Definitely not. T10-15 + Top 3 LACs, max.
Dartmouth isn't elite but UCLA is? Yall are dumb
Anonymous
04/21/2024 16:24
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.
Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.
You made a huge jump to get UVA and Gtown into the conversation. Bottom elite at best. What's the next tier after "Bottom Elite"?
Anonymous
04/21/2024 15:13
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
CMU beats Berkeley for CS.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ivy League + Chicago, MIT, Stanford, Northwestern, DUKE, Hopkins, Caltech.
+ Berkeley
For CS Berkley, MIT and Stanford would top the list. The other schools, not so much.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 15:07
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For what major? Or do you not actually care about academics and teaching quality?
Not decided yet but leaning engineering or CS.
Elite CS schools would be different than elite schools. Ivies for instance are typically below average at STEM.
This is such a silly repeated rumor from those who have not had kids go through ivy/T10 university in Stem/Engineering. Top Engineering grad programs, research jobs, leadership/tech development jobs all hire preferentially from T10s and ivies (especially those with dedicated engineering). They recruit on campus. Global tech companies recruit and faculty have connections everywhere. Undergrad research and publication is available to all undergrads not just the top students. One can get into these jobs or phDs from lesser state school programs, but it is more rare. Plus "STEM" is not just Engineering , it is Math, Chem, etc. Ivies are top at these.
You can look up the phD program matriculation and the Engineering school outcomes at ivies: 100k starting is average. If one wants to do Engineering as a path to med school, it is common and requires a lower GPA bar from ivies. Many top interventional radiologists and top medical researchers (MD/PhD) have an Engineering degree, and top research based med schools love the top undergrad programs The well-rounded education that comes with an ivy engineering or other STEM degree is world-class.
This is a dumb argument. The question was about undergraduate cs and engineering, so why even bring up PhD programs in math or chemistry? The vast majority of students majoring in engineering or cs do not go on to grad school. It's merely pedantic to note that STEM is not just engineering.
And the fact remains that schools like Purdue, UIUC, Georgia Tech, Michigan, Texas, UMD and many others are much better at engineering and cs than Ivy League schools like Harvard, Yale, Brown, and Dartmouth. The only genuinely elite schools in the US - meaning colleges that are very good at everything, including engineering - are Stanford and MIT.
PhD placement is relevant for those who want a research career. It is a common next step from the T10/ivies in Engineering, yet not common from the lower schools. Same with startup success rates. Same with high-level tech industry hires, where the engineers from T10s are overrepresented in management compared to engineers from lower schools. Some people want the chance at revolutionizing science and technology.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 14:18
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:^^PP here - do see now that CS was mentioned. But you forgot engineering! VT is #13. MD is #19.
DP. How about an apology for the unwarranted snark? UMD is an excellent choice for CS. You can then post something great about VT and engr. Should people disparage you as a "booster?" No. So, how about you knock it off as well.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 14:15
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
If you're looking for the "wow" factor - it's the Ivy League, plus a few other private elites like Stanford, UChicago, Duke, Northwestern, Georgetown, et cetera...
Anonymous
04/21/2024 14:12
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:Not sure which post you're referring too but posting this first time to pick potential school and interested to hear others opinion.
NP. Why is this your criteria? And, what do you mean by "pick a school?" All these schools are highly rejective. There is little chance of gaining admission to any of them.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 14:09
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For what major? Or do you not actually care about academics and teaching quality?
Not decided yet but leaning engineering or CS.
Elite CS schools would be different than elite schools. Ivies for instance are typically below average at STEM.
This is such a silly repeated rumor from those who have not had kids go through ivy/T10 university in Stem/Engineering. Top Engineering grad programs, research jobs, leadership/tech development jobs all hire preferentially from T10s and ivies (especially those with dedicated engineering). They recruit on campus. Global tech companies recruit and faculty have connections everywhere. Undergrad research and publication is available to all undergrads not just the top students. One can get into these jobs or phDs from lesser state school programs, but it is more rare. Plus "STEM" is not just Engineering , it is Math, Chem, etc. Ivies are top at these.
You can look up the phD program matriculation and the Engineering school outcomes at ivies: 100k starting is average. If one wants to do Engineering as a path to med school, it is common and requires a lower GPA bar from ivies. Many top interventional radiologists and top medical researchers (MD/PhD) have an Engineering degree, and top research based med schools love the top undergrad programs The well-rounded education that comes with an ivy engineering or other STEM degree is world-class.
This is a dumb argument. The question was about undergraduate cs and engineering, so why even bring up PhD programs in math or chemistry? The vast majority of students majoring in engineering or cs do not go on to grad school. It's merely pedantic to note that STEM is not just engineering.
And the fact remains that schools like Purdue, UIUC, Georgia Tech, Michigan, Texas, UMD and many others are much better at engineering and cs than Ivy League schools like Harvard, Yale, Brown, and Dartmouth. The only genuinely elite schools in the US - meaning colleges that are very good at everything, including engineering - are Stanford and MIT.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 13:49
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:CS by nature is not exactly "elite". It's a pedestrian field, and I don't mean that as a slight per se. But it also doesn't help that I've never met a computer scientist/software engineer who wasn't incredibly dull and didn't lack a personality.
This is so funny to me. You’ve never met one? Well there must be none then because someone as accomplished as you must meet them all. Plus you’re so modest and non-judgmental.
I know plenty of brilliant ones that have varied interests, are artists, travelers, outdoorsman, hobby cooks, musicians, and some all of the above.
And the great ones make way more than you do. And get equity to boot. And impress the crap out of everyone they work with when they speak.
Wanna know what they think of middle-management wonks like you?
Anonymous
04/21/2024 13:29
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
Anonymous wrote:Top 25 Univ & Top 15 LACs. Period.
Definitely not. T10-15 + Top 3 LACs, max.
Anonymous
04/21/2024 13:28
Subject: Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?
CS by nature is not exactly "elite". It's a pedestrian field, and I don't mean that as a slight per se. But it also doesn't help that I've never met a computer scientist/software engineer who wasn't incredibly dull and didn't lack a personality.