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Anonymous wrote:Dissenting view here, but I think the US's lack of support is forcing Israel's hand. They are now going it alone against an existential threat, so they really have no choice but to attempt to destroy their enemy while Israel still has the military upper hand against Israel. If Israel waits around, it just gives Iran more time to refine their weapons, build their nukes, etc.

This is similar to the story that Putin often repeats about when he chased a large rat around the "dvor" courtyard in the housing project he grew up in. He was thrilled to corner the rat and thought he won. Then the rat attacked him and he realized that cornering an enemy can actually put you at greater risk.

As Israel looks to the left and right and sees no allies next to her and an enemy blocking her, she has no choice but to lunge at the enemy. Anyone who expects a different outcome does not understand international politics.

Israel cannot defeat Iran and they aren't trying to. They're trying to defeat Hamas. Whether they can do that or not is a different question.

Israel is by far a superior military force compared to Iran. Iran is funding Hamas and Israel has no illusions about the head of this snake.

What does this even mean? Sure, Israel can evade Iran's air defenses and bomb some strategic targets there. But Israel has no ability to "destroy" Iran.

Israel can’t even destroy Hamas or Hezbollah let alone Iran. They want us to destroy Iran.

Well let’s see, Iran is the only country where the destruction of the state of Israel is literally in their constitution and a stated goal of their government … despite that, the country/government that would be the happiest if the US “destroyed” Iran is not Israel but Saudi Arabia.

So? The US orchestrated the assassination of the freely elected leader of Iran. Why? Because Iran’s newly democratic government wanted British Petroleum to pay royalties. BP paid no royalties because Iran was under UK colonial rule and all resources were owned by the crown. This pushed the population to see the US as evil(and hypocritical). The religious fanatics were the only ones fighting the brutal, oppressive regime we sponsored. So Iran is now a religious state like Israel. Iran sees the creation of Israel as evil because of the treatment of the Palestinians.

A much easier solution is to force the Israelis to give full rights of citizenship, right of return and compensation to the Palestinians vs the endless war to make the region accept Israel’s apartheid state and going genocide against the Palestinians.


There is only one choice and it is the only logical option.

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Anonymous wrote:Dissenting view here, but I think the US's lack of support is forcing Israel's hand. They are now going it alone against an existential threat, so they really have no choice but to attempt to destroy their enemy while Israel still has the military upper hand against Israel. If Israel waits around, it just gives Iran more time to refine their weapons, build their nukes, etc.

This is similar to the story that Putin often repeats about when he chased a large rat around the "dvor" courtyard in the housing project he grew up in. He was thrilled to corner the rat and thought he won. Then the rat attacked him and he realized that cornering an enemy can actually put you at greater risk.

As Israel looks to the left and right and sees no allies next to her and an enemy blocking her, she has no choice but to lunge at the enemy. Anyone who expects a different outcome does not understand international politics.

Israel cannot defeat Iran and they aren't trying to. They're trying to defeat Hamas. Whether they can do that or not is a different question.

Israel is by far a superior military force compared to Iran. Iran is funding Hamas and Israel has no illusions about the head of this snake.

What does this even mean? Sure, Israel can evade Iran's air defenses and bomb some strategic targets there. But Israel has no ability to "destroy" Iran.

Israel can’t even destroy Hamas or Hezbollah let alone Iran. They want us to destroy Iran.

Well let’s see, Iran is the only country where the destruction of the state of Israel is literally in their constitution and a stated goal of their government … despite that, the country/government that would be the happiest if the US “destroyed” Iran is not Israel but Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia and Israel should join forces and attack Iran.

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Anonymous wrote:Dissenting view here, but I think the US's lack of support is forcing Israel's hand. They are now going it alone against an existential threat, so they really have no choice but to attempt to destroy their enemy while Israel still has the military upper hand against Israel. If Israel waits around, it just gives Iran more time to refine their weapons, build their nukes, etc.

This is similar to the story that Putin often repeats about when he chased a large rat around the "dvor" courtyard in the housing project he grew up in. He was thrilled to corner the rat and thought he won. Then the rat attacked him and he realized that cornering an enemy can actually put you at greater risk.

As Israel looks to the left and right and sees no allies next to her and an enemy blocking her, she has no choice but to lunge at the enemy. Anyone who expects a different outcome does not understand international politics.

Israel cannot defeat Iran and they aren't trying to. They're trying to defeat Hamas. Whether they can do that or not is a different question.

Israel is by far a superior military force compared to Iran. Iran is funding Hamas and Israel has no illusions about the head of this snake.

What does this even mean? Sure, Israel can evade Iran's air defenses and bomb some strategic targets there. But Israel has no ability to "destroy" Iran.

Israel can’t even destroy Hamas or Hezbollah let alone Iran. They want us to destroy Iran.

Well let’s see, Iran is the only country where the destruction of the state of Israel is literally in their constitution and a stated goal of their government … despite that, the country/government that would be the happiest if the US “destroyed” Iran is not Israel but Saudi Arabia.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Dissenting view here, but I think the US's lack of support is forcing Israel's hand. They are now going it alone against an existential threat, so they really have no choice but to attempt to destroy their enemy while Israel still has the military upper hand against Israel. If Israel waits around, it just gives Iran more time to refine their weapons, build their nukes, etc.

This is similar to the story that Putin often repeats about when he chased a large rat around the "dvor" courtyard in the housing project he grew up in. He was thrilled to corner the rat and thought he won. Then the rat attacked him and he realized that cornering an enemy can actually put you at greater risk.

As Israel looks to the left and right and sees no allies next to her and an enemy blocking her, she has no choice but to lunge at the enemy. Anyone who expects a different outcome does not understand international politics.

Israel cannot defeat Iran and they aren't trying to. They're trying to defeat Hamas. Whether they can do that or not is a different question.

Israel is by far a superior military force compared to Iran. Iran is funding Hamas and Israel has no illusions about the head of this snake.

What does this even mean? Sure, Israel can evade Iran's air defenses and bomb some strategic targets there. But Israel has no ability to "destroy" Iran.

Israel can’t even destroy Hamas or Hezbollah let alone Iran. They want us to destroy Iran.

Well let’s see, Iran is the only country where the destruction of the state of Israel is literally in their constitution and a stated goal of their government … despite that, the country/government that would be the happiest if the US “destroyed” Iran is not Israel but Saudi Arabia.

This is all Obama’s fault.

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Anonymous wrote:Dissenting view here, but I think the US's lack of support is forcing Israel's hand. They are now going it alone against an existential threat, so they really have no choice but to attempt to destroy their enemy while Israel still has the military upper hand against Israel. If Israel waits around, it just gives Iran more time to refine their weapons, build their nukes, etc.

This is similar to the story that Putin often repeats about when he chased a large rat around the "dvor" courtyard in the housing project he grew up in. He was thrilled to corner the rat and thought he won. Then the rat attacked him and he realized that cornering an enemy can actually put you at greater risk.

As Israel looks to the left and right and sees no allies next to her and an enemy blocking her, she has no choice but to lunge at the enemy. Anyone who expects a different outcome does not understand international politics.

Israel cannot defeat Iran and they aren't trying to. They're trying to defeat Hamas. Whether they can do that or not is a different question.

Israel is by far a superior military force compared to Iran. Iran is funding Hamas and Israel has no illusions about the head of this snake.

Objectively Israel is the problem. Israel has launched numerous terrorist attacks in Iran, assassinations, supported terrorist organizations within Iran, sabotaged civilian and military infrastructure, bomb Iranian embassies, etc.

Militarily Iran and Israel are different but one would have to favor Iran. Israel has very little capability to project a serious threat to Iran. Israel is just too small. They have like 300 combat aircraft and 160k standing military. A ground invasion by Israel is a laughable proposition. The best Israel can do is stand off and fire missiles and drones. Iran is so big Israel would run out of weapons before hurting the Iranians.

Now as shown last week Iran can do the same plus they have allied forces on Israel’s border tying down all of Israel’s military. Remember Israel only shot down 25 missiles and drones. That was with 24 hour warning and a very limited attack(both in duration and intensity). The US was the one who saved Israel. Imagine if hezbollah had joined in with their 100,000 missiles and drones?

Israel military is modeled after the US which requires a complex logistics, very expensive weapons systems and a highly trained force. Interestingly the US pushed that same model on Afghanistan which predictably failed. Unfortunately Israel has used its military as an occupation force. As such it is unable to pacify a small area the size of Gaza with complete air superiority and the opposition(at most maybe 10-15k) with no resupply, no tanks, no artillery, etc.

Iran is huge and the distance between Israel and Iran is about 1,000 miles. This would be through areas and countries that are under Iranian influence. Any invasion of Iran itself would involve movement through large mountainous areas with long unsecured supply lines. Iran has 560k standing military with support from China and Russia. If at war that military would increase to well over 5 million.

War with Iran would require the US to commit almost all its active duty and reserve forces. IDF can not win against Iran but Israel can lose.

Anonymous wrote:Does Iran have homeless people or the crime
Or border crisis we have?

Are their schools failing? Do they no longer understand what a woman is? Is their president senile or going to jail?


We should leave them alone and focus on our own backyard

Agree. We should definitely ignore expansionist regimes governed by religious fundamentalists who hate the US and seek to control the world's energy reserves and associated trade routes.

What could possibly go wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sad. Isfahan is a beautiful city. Luckily the city center is okay, but wtf, Bibi.

I hate to see where this goes if we don’t stand up to Israel.

Oh no. Iran might finally be free of their tyrannical government and the Iranian people can finally be free.

You'd think after blowing $3 trillion dollars, hundreds of thousands of deaths, and getting zero results in Afghanistan and Iraq that we would have learned that bombing people into democracy rarely works.

Ahhh 'murican FrEeDumB!!

+1000.

Blowing things up and killing people is the way to show others our pathway to liberation, freedom and democracy !

Agreed.

Far better to let them suffer under brutal dictatorships for generations.

Oh, wait...the far left doesn't like that approach either.

So confusing.

Why not? We let Palestinians suffer for generations under our ally .

If we want to be freedom givers, we have to support the liberation of everyone, right?

Nope. We can support liberation when it's ALSO in our national interest.

Can't we?

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Anonymous wrote:Dissenting view here, but I think the US's lack of support is forcing Israel's hand. They are now going it alone against an existential threat, so they really have no choice but to attempt to destroy their enemy while Israel still has the military upper hand against Israel. If Israel waits around, it just gives Iran more time to refine their weapons, build their nukes, etc.

This is similar to the story that Putin often repeats about when he chased a large rat around the "dvor" courtyard in the housing project he grew up in. He was thrilled to corner the rat and thought he won. Then the rat attacked him and he realized that cornering an enemy can actually put you at greater risk.

As Israel looks to the left and right and sees no allies next to her and an enemy blocking her, she has no choice but to lunge at the enemy. Anyone who expects a different outcome does not understand international politics.

Israel cannot defeat Iran and they aren't trying to. They're trying to defeat Hamas. Whether they can do that or not is a different question.

Israel is by far a superior military force compared to Iran. Iran is funding Hamas and Israel has no illusions about the head of this snake.

Somewhat superior, yes, when they aren't going on strike. What's your point? Israel cannot defeat Iran and isn't trying to.

It's not clear what you mean by "defeat Iran." But Israel has superior military technology and readiness compared to Iran and in a direct conflict, Israel would have a clear advantage. Given that Israel is being isolated and cornered, the only responsible thing for the Israeli government to do is strike hard at Iran. Iran just launched 350 missiles within Israel, after funding an operation to murder and kidnap thousands of Israelis. The government would be derelict of duty to "show restraint."

So you’re saying that sending three drones that Iran easily shot down was irresponsible?

Does Iran have homeless people or the crime
Or border crisis we have?

Are their schools failing? Do they no longer understand what a woman is? Is their president senile or going to jail?


We should leave them alone and focus on our own backyard

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sad. Isfahan is a beautiful city. Luckily the city center is okay, but wtf, Bibi.

I hate to see where this goes if we don’t stand up to Israel.

Oh no. Iran might finally be free of their tyrannical government and the Iranian people can finally be free.

You'd think after blowing $3 trillion dollars, hundreds of thousands of deaths, and getting zero results in Afghanistan and Iraq that we would have learned that bombing people into democracy rarely works.

Ahhh 'murican FrEeDumB!!

+1000.

Blowing things up and killing people is the way to show others our pathway to liberation, freedom and democracy !

Agreed.

Far better to let them suffer under brutal dictatorships for generations.

Oh, wait...the far left doesn't like that approach either.

So confusing.

Why not? We let Palestinians suffer for generations under our ally .

If we want to be freedom givers, we have to support the liberation of everyone, right?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a pyscop and you are all falling for it. There were no missiles fired into Iran. They were drones. Iran intercepted the drones. They don’t seem to be launched from Israel. They were either launched for Iraq or from within Iran. Iran claims the latter. Biden probably “allowed” Israel to “retaliate” but made sure that the retaliation might have been a small one. You can all go to sleep now. WWIII has not begun.

It may be a psyop but why? Neither Iran nor Israelis youth want to fight wars against each other and both governments are record high in unpopularity

To test Iranian response.

Yes, and also to demonstrate deterrence capabilities (and willingness).

By delivering pizza with quadricopters for Ayatollah’s birthday? Lol

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Anonymous wrote:Dissenting view here, but I think the US's lack of support is forcing Israel's hand. They are now going it alone against an existential threat, so they really have no choice but to attempt to destroy their enemy while Israel still has the military upper hand against Israel. If Israel waits around, it just gives Iran more time to refine their weapons, build their nukes, etc.

This is similar to the story that Putin often repeats about when he chased a large rat around the "dvor" courtyard in the housing project he grew up in. He was thrilled to corner the rat and thought he won. Then the rat attacked him and he realized that cornering an enemy can actually put you at greater risk.

As Israel looks to the left and right and sees no allies next to her and an enemy blocking her, she has no choice but to lunge at the enemy. Anyone who expects a different outcome does not understand international politics.

Israel cannot defeat Iran and they aren't trying to. They're trying to defeat Hamas. Whether they can do that or not is a different question.

Israel is by far a superior military force compared to Iran. Iran is funding Hamas and Israel has no illusions about the head of this snake.

Somewhat superior, yes, when they aren't going on strike. What's your point? Israel cannot defeat Iran and isn't trying to.

It's not clear what you mean by "defeat Iran." But Israel has superior military technology and readiness compared to Iran and in a direct conflict, Israel would have a clear advantage. Given that Israel is being isolated and cornered, the only responsible thing for the Israeli government to do is strike hard at Iran. Iran just launched 350 missiles within Israel, after funding an operation to murder and kidnap thousands of Israelis. The government would be derelict of duty to "show restraint."

Don’t you think Iran is smarter than this? They know Israeli is militarily more capable thanks to the US. That’s why they have Hezbollah on your doorstep.

Duh. That’s THEIR deterrence

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sad. Isfahan is a beautiful city. Luckily the city center is okay, but wtf, Bibi.

I hate to see where this goes if we don’t stand up to Israel.

Oh no. Iran might finally be free of their tyrannical government and the Iranian people can finally be free.

You'd think after blowing $3 trillion dollars, hundreds of thousands of deaths, and getting zero results in Afghanistan and Iraq that we would have learned that bombing people into democracy rarely works.

Ahhh 'murican FrEeDumB!!

+1000.

Blowing things up and killing people is the way to show others our pathway to liberation, freedom and democracy !

Agreed.

Far better to let them suffer under brutal dictatorships for generations.

Oh, wait...the far left doesn't like that approach either.

So confusing.

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Anonymous wrote:Dissenting view here, but I think the US's lack of support is forcing Israel's hand. They are now going it alone against an existential threat, so they really have no choice but to attempt to destroy their enemy while Israel still has the military upper hand against Israel. If Israel waits around, it just gives Iran more time to refine their weapons, build their nukes, etc.

This is similar to the story that Putin often repeats about when he chased a large rat around the "dvor" courtyard in the housing project he grew up in. He was thrilled to corner the rat and thought he won. Then the rat attacked him and he realized that cornering an enemy can actually put you at greater risk.

As Israel looks to the left and right and sees no allies next to her and an enemy blocking her, she has no choice but to lunge at the enemy. Anyone who expects a different outcome does not understand international politics.

Israel cannot defeat Iran and they aren't trying to. They're trying to defeat Hamas. Whether they can do that or not is a different question.

Israel is by far a superior military force compared to Iran. Iran is funding Hamas and Israel has no illusions about the head of this snake.

What does this even mean? Sure, Israel can evade Iran's air defenses and bomb some strategic targets there. But Israel has no ability to "destroy" Iran.

No actually Israel can’t. First it will need consent to fly over several countries, secondly it does not have refueling capabilities for its jets and third Iran has a top notch AD and superior missile technology. Also Iran can strike hard from Syria and Lebanon. Israel’s best bet is depopulation of Gaza which is in the process of doing.