Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 10:24     Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:
Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.


So these high achievers should excel despite the overal rating of the school they attend. Basically, Mclean and Langley do not “make” better students. Stronger students tend to enroll in those schools in higher numbers. Your average student will be average at Falls Church or at Oakton.



Yes and no. Gifted students might not reach their full potential if they go to a less competitive school. Public school have to teach to lowest common denominator, because they are not allowed to leave any kids behind. For gifted kids, the content will likely be too easy for them a more normal school because there are too many below average students that prevent the class from moving on to more advanced material.


I agree completely. I have kids who were AAP (“segregated” with the smart kids) and one non-AAP. This non-AAP is also the only one in post-Covid FCPS. This child’s learning environment is completely different from the older siblings. The LCD in this DS’s classes is disruptive, no impulse control, learning disability, with an assigned aid for aggressive behaviors. It may be anecdotal, but there is no doubt in my mind that my youngest would be much farther ahead academically if the teachers weren’t so challenged every single day. While I also acknowledge that there are twice exceptional students in AAP, these kids are often medicated to a point that in the school day they are less disruptive. Im sure I hit a number of taboos, but it’s been my reality. Teachers know the truth to this.


Both of my kids are in AAP. Neither of them are gifted in the true sense of the word-they are certainly above average/smart but neither are off the chart smart. And that is the case for most kids in AAP. And both of them say that the behaviors in their "specials/electives" are crazy and the difference is stark btw the AAP vs. those classes. At least by MS, gen ed kids have the option to take Honors. The gap is really, really widening. The kids at the top are leaving the rest behind. And we should all be concerned. I think a lot of parents are like "well but my kid is with the top kids, so who cares?" We should all care. A society with an enormous income gap is not a good thing. An ignorant populace is not a good thing. I am not a conspiracy nut but at some point we got to ask--is it a feature or a bug? Neither side seems to care. On the right we have the book banning/undermining public schools/vilifying teachers. On the left-no accountability, lowering standards, lack of discipline. The future of public education seems grim in this country.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 10:24     Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:
Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.


So these high achievers should excel despite the overal rating of the school they attend. Basically, Mclean and Langley do not “make” better students. Stronger students tend to enroll in those schools in higher numbers. Your average student will be average at Falls Church or at Oakton.



Yes and no. Gifted students might not reach their full potential if they go to a less competitive school. Public school have to teach to lowest common denominator, because they are not allowed to leave any kids behind. For gifted kids, the content will likely be too easy for them a more normal school because there are too many below average students that prevent the class from moving on to more advanced material.


I agree completely. I have kids who were AAP (“segregated” with the smart kids) and one non-AAP. This non-AAP is also the only one in post-Covid FCPS. This child’s learning environment is completely different from the older siblings. The LCD in this DS’s classes is disruptive, no impulse control, learning disability, with an assigned aid for aggressive behaviors. It may be anecdotal, but there is no doubt in my mind that my youngest would be much farther ahead academically if the teachers weren’t so challenged every single day. While I also acknowledge that there are twice exceptional students in AAP, these kids are often medicated to a point that in the school day they are less disruptive. Im sure I hit a number of taboos, but it’s been my reality. Teachers know the truth to this.

Both of my kids are in AAP. Neither of them are gifted in the true sense of the word-they are certainly above average/smart but neither are off the chart smart. And that is the case for most kids in AAP. And both of them say that the behaviors in their "specials/electives" are crazy and the difference is stark btw the AAP vs. those classes. At least by MS, gen ed kids have the option to take Honors. The gap is really, really widening. The kids at the top are leaving the rest behind. And we should all be concerned. I think a lot of parents are like "well but my kid is with the top kids, so who cares?" We should all care. A society with an enormous income gap is not a good thing. An ignorant populace is not a good thing. I am not a conspiracy nut but at some point we got to ask--is it a feature or a bug? Neither side seems to care. On the right we have the book banning/undermining public schools/vilifying teachers. On the left-no accountability, lowering standards, lack of discipline. The future of public education seems grim in this country.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2024 22:15     Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Longfellow has been the top middle school for a long time. Significantly better than other middle schools
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2024 13:10     Subject: Re:Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The same report indicates the following pass rates (3 or higher) on AP exams last year among the county's 17 AP high schools:

TJ 93.7%
Langley 86.3%
McLean 85.7%
Woodson 81.8%
West Springfield 77.6%
Chantilly 75.5%
Oakton 73.5%
Madison 73.2%
Lake Braddock 71.6%
Herndon 70.6%
Westfield 67.1%
Centreville 63.1%
Fairfax 59.1%
South County 57.9%
West Potomac 56.1%
Hayfield 54.3%
Falls Church 43.4%


Where is this report that is being referenced?


FCTA web site. They FOIA'd the College Board reports.


What is FCTA? Mind posting the link?


https://fcta.org/Pubs/Bulletins/2024-04b.pdf
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2024 12:13     Subject: Re:Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The same report indicates the following pass rates (3 or higher) on AP exams last year among the county's 17 AP high schools:

TJ 93.7%
Langley 86.3%
McLean 85.7%
Woodson 81.8%
West Springfield 77.6%
Chantilly 75.5%
Oakton 73.5%
Madison 73.2%
Lake Braddock 71.6%
Herndon 70.6%
Westfield 67.1%
Centreville 63.1%
Fairfax 59.1%
South County 57.9%
West Potomac 56.1%
Hayfield 54.3%
Falls Church 43.4%


Where is this report that is being referenced?


FCTA web site. They FOIA'd the College Board reports.


What is FCTA? Mind posting the link?
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2024 08:37     Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores

Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.


So these high achievers should excel despite the overal rating of the school they attend. Basically, Mclean and Langley do not “make” better students. Stronger students tend to enroll in those schools in higher numbers. Your average student will be average at Falls Church or at Oakton.



Yes and no. Gifted students might not reach their full potential if they go to a less competitive school. Public school have to teach to lowest common denominator, because they are not allowed to leave any kids behind. For gifted kids, the content will likely be too easy for them a more normal school because there are too many below average students that prevent the class from moving on to more advanced material.


I agree completely. I have kids who were AAP (“segregated” with the smart kids) and one non-AAP. This non-AAP is also the only one in post-Covid FCPS. This child’s learning environment is completely different from the older siblings. The LCD in this DS’s classes is disruptive, no impulse control, learning disability, with an assigned aid for aggressive behaviors. It may be anecdotal, but there is no doubt in my mind that my youngest would be much farther ahead academically if the teachers weren’t so challenged every single day. While I also acknowledge that there are twice exceptional students in AAP, these kids are often medicated to a point that in the school day they are less disruptive. Im sure I hit a number of taboos, but it’s been my reality. Teachers know the truth to this.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2024 08:07     Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
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Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.

TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977

Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.


Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.


No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.


It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.


Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.


So these high achievers should excel despite the overal rating of the school they attend. Basically, Mclean and Langley do not “make” better students. Stronger students tend to enroll in those schools in higher numbers. Your average student will be average at Falls Church or at Oakton.


DP. McLean was recognized by the Board of Supervisors this week for winning a press award (along with Chantilly and West Springfield), as well as winning the state Scholastic Bowl competition this winter. The students who spoke praised the support they received from the school administration and their faculty sponsors. The reality is that a number of factors contribute to student success.



Wait, you think people tell the truth during acceptance speeches?


In this case (knowing the principal who shows up at just about everything and the faculty sponsors who devote a lot of extra time to these activities)? Yes.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2024 07:43     Subject: Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.

TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977

Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.


Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.


No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.


It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.


Yes of course SATs scores are correlated with higher parent income. You are mixing up the cause and effect of the correlation though. Cognitive ability and conscientiousness are causally correlated with
income. The traits of the parents that increase income (and enhance academic performance) are transmitted to the children so this causes their offspring to have higher average test scores.


So these high achievers should excel despite the overal rating of the school they attend. Basically, Mclean and Langley do not “make” better students. Stronger students tend to enroll in those schools in higher numbers. Your average student will be average at Falls Church or at Oakton.


DP. McLean was recognized by the Board of Supervisors this week for winning a press award (along with Chantilly and West Springfield), as well as winning the state Scholastic Bowl competition this winter. The students who spoke praised the support they received from the school administration and their faculty sponsors. The reality is that a number of factors contribute to student success.



Wait, you think people tell the truth during acceptance speeches?