Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I'm more inclined to believe his teacher. AI usage is rampant, whether because kids are lazy and think they can get away with it or because otherwise motivated kids get behind the eight ball and panic. At this point AI is so formulaic, it's pretty easy to recognize.

Can you take the formulaic piece and make it your own so it’s not so obvious?

Anonymous wrote:Kids should create all essays/school work as a Google Doc, which will create a record of the work being done. They can then use that record to "show" the creation of the work, independant of AI.

I’m a high school teacher. I require Google docs for all assignments. I don’t need to use AI detectors because the version history and draftback give me all the proof I need. When two well-constructed paragraphs are recorded as one edit, I have my proof it was a cut/paste job. Students will often say they wrote those paragraphs in another document, which is against policy for this very reason. 100% of the time, when I ask for access to this new doc, they can’t provide it.

We use chatGPT in class to explore its functions and to generate ideas, but we also spent two full days exploring how it should/should not be used in an academic environment. We looked at AP and IB and collegiate policies on AI.

All of this is clearly outlined in my syllabus, as well.

Why Aren't school teaching students how to use ai for their essays and work?

I work in a strategy field and use AI daily for work. I’ve found that if I ask ChatGPT to “rewrite for clarity and/or simplicity,” I get usable content. I will also add an example ofmy own writing style and will ask it to copy my style.

Here’s ChatGPT’s written for “clarity” example:


We should support using AI in schools to help with tasks like grammar and organizing essays. Instead of just focusing on those details, students should concentrate on the main ideas and themes in their writing. They should present their work and talk about it to show they understand the material. Instead of punishing students for using AI, we should encourage it. Soon, being good at using AI will be important for grading, based on how well students use it to improve their work.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares about writing essays at my job I use chatgpt to convey my thoughts as well as help me code. It's the future get used to it like spells check.

You must be a code wizard if you need spells check!

Lol

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Anonymous wrote:Junior’s teacher said dc “made unfortunate decision to use AI” for writing assignment.

DC insists did not use.

How can one determine the truth?

I copied & pasted the text into google but nothing came up.

AI text doesn't match existing content. It's respun.

Ask your kid to summarize and explain their essay to you, and write notes, from memory. Record the convo to show the teacher.

The child is a junior… the teacher should do this, not mom.

All the teachers, including so-called college professors, coming on here saying the solution is to demand the kids rewrite their papers or outlines from memory are completely out of touch. In a million years, I could never rewrite an outline or paper that I had spent days and days on from memory. Both my college kids have ADHD, they have to spend twice as long outputting excellent papers as regular students do. And when they're fininished, they can barely tell you what they wrote--certainly not from memory. It takes hous for them to fill in very detailed outlines, then turn them into well-written papers, which they write and re-write over and over. And yes, both of them will write a sentence, then write into Chat GPT or run it through Grammarly, with a prompt that says: fix this for me.

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Anonymous wrote:Junior’s teacher said dc “made unfortunate decision to use AI” for writing assignment.

DC insists did not use.

How can one determine the truth?

I copied & pasted the text into google but nothing came up.

AI text doesn't match existing content. It's respun.

Ask your kid to summarize and explain their essay to you, and write notes, from memory. Record the convo to show the teacher.

The child is a junior… the teacher should do this, not mom.

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Anonymous wrote:Show drafts, notes, and outlines leading to the finished product.

This is the answer.

This is what students are taught through K-12, and then throw away in college.

The old era of the all-nighter, day before it's due, extemporaneous essay is over.

Probably for the best thet it forces students to actually do the process.

The frustration is that professors won't preasure the students to do the prep before it's too late.
Train your kids to find accountability buddies to make them write drafts.

Do you have kids in college? Most professors have had to adopt a lot of high school methods to try to force kids to read, show up for class and chunk projects.

Anonymous wrote:Who cares about writing essays at my job I use chatgpt to convey my thoughts as well as help me code. It's the future get used to it like spells check.

We can tell…

Anonymous wrote:We should advocate for the integration of AI in educational settings, as there is no merit in persisting with the monotonous tasks of managing grammar, structuring paragraphs, and so on. The focus should instead be on the substance and thematic choices made by the student in composing the paper. Students ought to present and discuss their papers to demonstrate comprehension and effectively communicate the material. The antiquated stance of penalizing students for using AI must be abandoned. Rather, the use of AI should be encouraged. It is inevitable that, in the near future, proficiency in AI utilization will become a criterion for assessment, based on the quality of input provided to it.

Writing is thinking. If a student has not learned to create fluid prose on his own, he will be useless at creating good content with AI, not to mention not capable of discerning truth or BS fed to him by a tech company. This is why IQs are going down…

People are pretty bad at telling if AI wrote something. Remember the guy who said that if “delve” was used, it’s a sure sign that it was AI??

He also listed a few other words that I’ve definitely used. Maybe I’m a computer.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.pcmag.com/news/openai-quietly-shuts-down-ai-text-detection-tool-over-inaccuracies

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2023/06/01/turnitins-ai-detector-higher-expected-false-positives

wow, I wonder how long until a student accused by turnitin sues

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Anonymous wrote:^^Long-winded pp here again. What DS has learned from this? He will always run his papers through a checker himself to make sure it doesn't appear to be AI generated.

The real takeaway is that AI is only banned in fields that AI has made obsolete.

If you think AI has made writing obsolete you don't read enough good literature.

the degrees that focus on literature don't prepare you for a barista so its useless, career options are a professor of literature or entry level food service field

https://www.pcmag.com/news/openai-quietly-shuts-down-ai-text-detection-tool-over-inaccuracies

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2023/06/01/turnitins-ai-detector-higher-expected-false-positives

AI detection software is horribly inaccurate. It thinks the US constitution and passages from the Bible are AI generated. It makes a guess that spits out a percentage and an unreliable one at that. And yet it's being used to accuse kids who did nothing wrong.

In contrast, plagiarism detection software shows an actual comparison between the writing being looked at and any other existing content that is similar. It allows for the teacher to make there own assessment.

AI detection software should be banned -- the risk of unfairly disqualifying an entire swatrh of applicants is not worth the odds of possibly catching someone who actually use AI to do all their work.

Sadly, teachers and institutions who use AI detection software are likely to be too complacent with being able to outsource their responsibility for evaluating students, and the companies who sell them the software have their business model at stake and will be very difficult to fight against. Turn-it-in has already had to put our revisions to its earlier claims of a 4 percent error rate which provide to be completely off. Chat-GPT actually terminated their detection software because of its unreliability.

And agree with others that the irony is that it will be the privileged families and their kids who can pre-scan their work through detection software algorithms and then revise it to avoid getting caught. It will be the disadvantaged families who will suffer.