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Anonymous wrote:I hate untrained dogs. But shooting the animal is pretty extreme. Carrying pepper spray or a baton would seem to be a better option.

But yes, if you have an untrained dog that will jump happily or get aggressive with strangers, don't let it run around loose when you are expecting a delivery! Also, train your dogs to have better manners and know how to heel and get called off.

Please, enter a property with pit bulls present and let us know how baton and pepper spray work out for you.

Pit bulls were bred for thousands of doggy generations to be nearly impervious to pain - they will hang on to the death in a fight against a bull, a person, another dog, etc. Pepper spray is very likely to make them angrier and more lethal, but not very likely to make them whine and run away.

I used to live in Montana and engaged in back country hiking. Everyone with any common sense knew that carrying bear spray was only any good if you carried two cans, and a gun to boot. The bear (pepper) spray might make a grizzly back off initially, but they are very likely to come back more enraged and ready to kill.

Bullets are far more efficient than capsaicin spray or sticks.

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Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

Are you thick?

Police don't wait to be mauled to shoot a charging dog, they shoot at the threat in self defense - just like this driver did.

There is no duty to be mauled before engaging in self defense. Dog owners have a duty to secure their dogs, both in public spaces with leashes, and on their own property when they have INVITED A GUEST on the property.

I’m not thick at all. You are comparing maulings and police shootings of dogs in high pressure situations to what happened here - a family dog, an invited delivery guy, and no physical contact.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

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Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

Are you thick?

Police don't wait to be mauled to shoot a charging dog, they shoot at the threat in self defense - just like this driver did.

There is no duty to be mauled before engaging in self defense. Dog owners have a duty to secure their dogs, both in public spaces with leashes, and on their own property when they have INVITED A GUEST on the property.

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Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

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Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate untrained dogs. But shooting the animal is pretty extreme. Carrying pepper spray or a baton would seem to be a better option.

But yes, if you have an untrained dog that will jump happily or get aggressive with strangers, don't let it run around loose when you are expecting a delivery! Also, train your dogs to have better manners and know how to heel and get called off.

Please, enter a property with pit bulls present and let us know how baton and pepper spray work out for you.

Pit bulls were bred for thousands of doggy generations to be nearly impervious to pain - they will hang on to the death in a fight against a bull, a person, another dog, etc. Pepper spray is very likely to make them angrier and more lethal, but not very likely to make them whine and run away.

I used to live in Montana and engaged in back country hiking. Everyone with any common sense knew that carrying bear spray was only any good if you carried two cans, and a gun to boot. The bear (pepper) spray might make a grizzly back off initially, but they are very likely to come back more enraged and ready to kill.

Bullets are far more efficient than capsaicin spray or sticks.

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Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

There was no mauling in this case.

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Anonymous wrote:Well the insta cart shopper has been fired. So the dog owner has her "justice".

He should sue for unlawful termination. All he did was defend himself in a dangerous situation. If the authorities found no cause to press charges, there is no justification for terminating him.

He was not legally authorized to work for Instacart, took on (bought, stole?) another person's account. People do this to bypass background checks because they would not qualify otherwise. The biggest takeaway from this story is these delivery drivers are actually not vetted and not safe. Get your own food!

Anonymous wrote:I hate untrained dogs. But shooting the animal is pretty extreme. Carrying pepper spray or a baton would seem to be a better option.

But yes, if you have an untrained dog that will jump happily or get aggressive with strangers, don't let it run around loose when you are expecting a delivery! Also, train your dogs to have better manners and know how to heel and get called off.

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Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.

The DOJ estimates that police shoot 10,000 pet dogs annually in the line of duty. The number is really just a guess because police departments don't track these deaths any better than they do the killings of human citizens they engage in - it is very likely a far higher number, I found one article online asserting that experts suggest the number could reach six figures.

Police don't wait to be bitten to shoot and kill a pet dog. When a dog runs at them, as a dog in a yard will do when a stranger enters its space (dogs are by nature and desire territorial), the majority of police will just shoot it, straight out.

But those killings are probably okay with poster because the owners aren't glamorous actors and probably engaged in some kind of thuggery or the police wouldn't even be there, right? (Never mind that there are documented cases of police entering the wrong property to serve warrants and executing pet dogs who were present.)

How much mauling is the person supposed to endure before engaging in defense of self?

We are talking about a SCHEDULED DELIVERY and a dog owner who left the dog outside, unsupervised and unsecured, during the time of the scheduled delivery. Because her dog is a sweetheart and would never hurt anyone - same thing we hear from every clueless dog owner in the aftermath of both lethal and nonlethal maulings.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who shoots a little dog not actually physically on them rather than just go back to their car is deranged and is going to shoot someone eventually. The man was delivering illegally, carrying a loaded weapon to people's homes? Noooo. I keep my dog inside but there is one person more in the wrong here, and that's trigger-happy weirdo.

Finally a sensible person.

Yes, I think people should contain and control their dogs. Yes, I think Angie Harmon was a bad dog owner. But to act like going straight to SHOOTING a dog because you feel threatened is a justified action is sick.

Per Angie's version of the story there was no wound on the delivery guy. [b]Shoot a dog if you need to get it to let go of your leg. But shooting a dog because it barked aggressively at you and got close to you? Come on people, this is not reasonable.[/b]

You think shooting at your leg or foot is reasonable? Nope. You are not required to be injured before you act in self-defense. You do not need to allow a guy to punch you before defending yourself and you don't need to allow a dog to bite you before defending yourself.