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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

No one is crying about the rankings; they just ignore them now because they actually care more about factors like how many kids from top of HS class and small class sizes, versus DEI outcomes.

It's really funny watching people cling to the "old" rankings, yet also trying to convince others to ignore the "new" rankings. You don't get to have it both ways. Either the rankings have always been a crapshoot, or you need to accept the new formula.

Actually no. The new are only relevant if you highly value performance and percentage of Pell grant eligible and first gen. If you care about factors like class size and who is teaching the class, the old are better.

People blindly trusted USNWR rankings when it was convenient. Let’s not pretend they were ever college experts.

Rankings were based on quantifiable measures of academic achievement and desirable aspects of a college experience for me before. I am not interested in how a child how is 1st Gen will do. I know others are interested in that.

This is stupid. A college that can graduate and support 1st gen students is likely doing amazing for your average student. You have to have on-campus resources that are reliable and helpful for students who are first gen to get through. So yes, you should care, because that stat means your child has more resources on campus. The ivies are undoubtedly one of the best places for a first-gen student to go to college. Berkeley, a massive state school, also happens to be one, because they invest heavily into supporting and recruiting first gen students and, oh yeah, Berkeley has world class resources for all students.

It is not "stupid" to not be focused on 1st Gen students and affordability of college if that is not my interest. I care about the caliber of the other students and the job pipeline and the teaching is done my faculty with terminal degrees and not TAs. Not how many Pell grants are handed out and how many 1st gen students you graduate.

idyllic PLACE - sorry, typing too fast

I just went googling - there was book in the 90s that listed Wake as one of the Top 50 schools in the US. And this was before they were named a National University. Looking at the results I got, I THINK it was the Barron's guide?

I didn't find it until after I had already decided to go there. I just knew it was a well regarded school, it was one of the top schools in the South (that wasn't my goal, but it is just how it wound up) and it was a perfect size for me. Plus, gorgeous campus that was just a completely idyllic to spend 4 years.

Despite it being more conservative leaning than I would have liked, I made great friends there and don't regret my decision all these years later.

It didn't suck that I was there during the Duncan era

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

No one is crying about the rankings; they just ignore them now because they actually care more about factors like how many kids from top of HS class and small class sizes, versus DEI outcomes.

It's really funny watching people cling to the "old" rankings, yet also trying to convince others to ignore the "new" rankings. You don't get to have it both ways. Either the rankings have always been a crapshoot, or you need to accept the new formula.

Actually no. The new are only relevant if you highly value performance and percentage of Pell grant eligible and first gen. If you care about factors like class size and who is teaching the class, the old are better.

People blindly trusted USNWR rankings when it was convenient. Let’s not pretend they were ever college experts.

Rankings were based on quantifiable measures of academic achievement and desirable aspects of a college experience for me before. I am not interested in how a child how is 1st Gen will do. I know others are interested in that.

This is stupid. A college that can graduate and support 1st gen students is likely doing amazing for your average student. You have to have on-campus resources that are reliable and helpful for students who are first gen to get through. So yes, you should care, because that stat means your child has more resources on campus. The ivies are undoubtedly one of the best places for a first-gen student to go to college. Berkeley, a massive state school, also happens to be one, because they invest heavily into supporting and recruiting first gen students and, oh yeah, Berkeley has world class resources for all students.

Anonymous wrote:How would a half Jewish-Asian kid feel at Wake?

If you’re concerned at all for the safety of their identities, none of these schools have amazing track records for tolerance

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

No one is crying about the rankings; they just ignore them now because they actually care more about factors like how many kids from top of HS class and small class sizes, versus DEI outcomes.

It's really funny watching people cling to the "old" rankings, yet also trying to convince others to ignore the "new" rankings. You don't get to have it both ways. Either the rankings have always been a crapshoot, or you need to accept the new formula.

Actually no. The new are only relevant if you highly value performance and percentage of Pell grant eligible and first gen. If you care about factors like class size and who is teaching the class, the old are better.

People blindly trusted USNWR rankings when it was convenient. Let’s not pretend they were ever college experts.

Rankings were based on quantifiable measures of academic achievement and desirable aspects of a college experience for me before. I am not interested in how a child how is 1st Gen will do. I know others are interested in that.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

No one is crying about the rankings; they just ignore them now because they actually care more about factors like how many kids from top of HS class and small class sizes, versus DEI outcomes.

It's really funny watching people cling to the "old" rankings, yet also trying to convince others to ignore the "new" rankings. You don't get to have it both ways. Either the rankings have always been a crapshoot, or you need to accept the new formula.

No one needs to accept anything: either you view rankings as they were previously based on % of kids from top of HS class, small class sizes, number of professors with terminal degrees in their professions, and alumni giving, or you care about how many students have Pell grants. They are measuring very different things.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

No one is crying about the rankings; they just ignore them now because they actually care more about factors like how many kids from top of HS class and small class sizes, versus DEI outcomes.

It's really funny watching people cling to the "old" rankings, yet also trying to convince others to ignore the "new" rankings. You don't get to have it both ways. Either the rankings have always been a crapshoot, or you need to accept the new formula.

Actually no. The new are only relevant if you highly value performance and percentage of Pell grant eligible and first gen. If you care about factors like class size and who is teaching the class, the old are better.

People blindly trusted USNWR rankings when it was convenient. Let’s not pretend they were ever college experts.

Anonymous wrote:How would a half Jewish-Asian kid feel at Wake?

Wake is very supportive of its Jewish community, protests were only only for a day or two before being shut down, and most students were opposed to them. More here. https://jewishlife.wfu.edu/jewish-life/overview-and-mission/

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

No one is crying about the rankings; they just ignore them now because they actually care more about factors like how many kids from top of HS class and small class sizes, versus DEI outcomes.

It's really funny watching people cling to the "old" rankings, yet also trying to convince others to ignore the "new" rankings. You don't get to have it both ways. Either the rankings have always been a crapshoot, or you need to accept the new formula.

Actually no. The new are only relevant if you highly value performance and percentage of Pell grant eligible and first gen. If you care about factors like class size and who is teaching the class, the old are better.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

No one is crying about the rankings; they just ignore them now because they actually care more about factors like how many kids from top of HS class and small class sizes, versus DEI outcomes.

It's really funny watching people cling to the "old" rankings, yet also trying to convince others to ignore the "new" rankings. You don't get to have it both ways. Either the rankings have always been a crapshoot, or you need to accept the new formula.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

No one is crying about the rankings; they just ignore them now because they actually care more about factors like how many kids from top of HS class and small class sizes, versus DEI outcomes.

How would a half Jewish-Asian kid feel at Wake?