Anonymous
03/28/2024 13:35
Subject: Re:200% increase in tuition
So have salaries
Anonymous
03/28/2024 13:34
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Can you say.....state flagship?
But even those are up by a lot. I went to private law school in the early 1990s. I had some merit aid, but even if I hadn't, the full-pay tuition was less than in-state tuition for undergrad at UVA now. I doubt my parents paid $10K total for 4 years of in-state tuition in the late 1980s.
Anonymous
03/28/2024 13:25
Subject: Re:200% increase in tuition
College tuition and fixed fees, a component of the tuition, other school fees, and childcare index, is included in the education and communication major group of the Consumer Price Index (CPI).
See https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet
See https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet
Anonymous
03/28/2024 13:22
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Between 1987 and 2017, the cost of attending a public four-year college rose more than 200%.
For the 2024-2025 school year, Tufts’ estimates of expenses for undergraduate programs reaches nearly $96,000, trumping Wellesley — which comes in at about $92,000.
For the year strting this fall, Yale University comes in at almost $91,000, preceding Boston University with around $90,000 for the academic year.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/27/business/college-tuition-new-england-ninety-thousand/index.html
That is so effed up.
It isn't. It is nearly exactly equal to the overall inflation rate. CPI in 1987 = 113. In 207 = 245.
Adjusted for inflation, Wellesley's 1987 all-in costs of $14,980 equates to $41,640 (numbers rounded for simplicity's sake).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1pFJCJAWCsa5q1ZHrcrHmB8rOqH05nyai_QT8k-tx4Qw/htmlview?pli=1
https://www.amortization.org/inflation/amount.php?year=1987&amount=15000
How does $92,000 (Wellesley's all-in cost today) reflect the overall inflation rate? It doesn't.
In the past 20 years, college tuition and fees have grown twice as fast as the CPI. CPI inflation was nearly 54% from September 2001-September 2021. Tuition inflation was 66%.*
Since 2000, college tuition has also grown more than the median household income and home price. The 1980s (Reagan era) saw the biggest tuition hikes.
*Sources: Bureau of Labor Statistics, NCES, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, Census Bureau.
Anonymous
03/28/2024 12:59
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:America is heading to a two tier society. Vote Biden or it gets worse
I agree America is heading to a two tier society but it's worsened under Biden, not getting better. Why else do you think all the working classes are flocking to the Republicans and the rich flocking to Biden? Think about that carefully.
Higher education is also a purely Democratic fiefdom. They own the higher education cost mess. But they won't lift a finger to reform it.
Thought about it. It's because the Republicans (particularly Trump) have misled the working classes into believing that the party actually cares about them and would make decisions in their interest. The rich and educated are flocking to Biden because they see through the BS.
I’m not sure either party cares about the working class. The democrat elites are completely out of touch with the travails of every day working people. And partly why we are in this college costs inflation mess is because democrats made it incredibly easy to get loans to pay for college.
Anonymous
03/28/2024 12:46
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can you say.....state flagship?
State schools in general. Doesn’t have to be the “flagship.”
When it's compared to selective private colleges that are out reach to high stats kids due to cost, yes a state flagship is the next best option.
Anonymous
03/28/2024 12:46
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Between 1987 and 2017, the cost of attending a public four-year college rose more than 200%.
For the 2024-2025 school year, Tufts’ estimates of expenses for undergraduate programs reaches nearly $96,000, trumping Wellesley — which comes in at about $92,000.
For the year strting this fall, Yale University comes in at almost $91,000, preceding Boston University with around $90,000 for the academic year.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/27/business/college-tuition-new-england-ninety-thousand/index.html
That is so effed up.
It isn't. It is nearly exactly equal to the overall inflation rate. CPI in 1987 = 113. In 207 = 245.
Anonymous
03/28/2024 12:39
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Can you say.....state flagship?
State schools in general. Doesn’t have to be the “flagship.”
Anonymous
03/28/2024 12:38
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:America is heading to a two tier society. Vote Biden or it gets worse
I agree America is heading to a two tier society but it's worsened under Biden, not getting better. Why else do you think all the working classes are flocking to the Republicans and the rich flocking to Biden? Think about that carefully.
Higher education is also a purely Democratic fiefdom. They own the higher education cost mess. But they won't lift a finger to reform it.
Thought about it. It's because the Republicans (particularly Trump) have misled the working classes into believing that the party actually cares about them and would make decisions in their interest. The rich and educated are flocking to Biden because they see through the BS.
Anonymous
03/28/2024 12:31
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can you say.....state flagship?
State flagships can be pretty expensive as well. I think these discussions on DCUM miss the point. It becomes MC vs UMC arguing about the value of private colleges and how much to save/how many sacrifices to make, etc. The real discussion is the insane increase in cost period. John Oliver touched on it during his last episode. Unless you have money to burn, 400k for undergrad is bananas.
Glad I have money to burn but if this cost structure were in place when my parents had to pay for college, I'd have had a much different education. More spots for rich kids as the middle class and upper middle class will no longer be applying. Even more so for need aware schools.
Anonymous
03/28/2024 12:21
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:America is heading to a two tier society. Vote Biden or it gets worse
I agree America is heading to a two tier society but it's worsened under Biden, not getting better. Why else do you think all the working classes are flocking to the Republicans and the rich flocking to Biden? Think about that carefully.
Higher education is also a purely Democratic fiefdom. They own the higher education cost mess. But they won't lift a finger to reform it.
As an immigrant, it’s something I will never understand. The GOP clearly does not give a crap about working Americans and is very much pro corporation. The fact that rich old men (many who went to elite schools that their base sneers at) convinced poor white men that they are for the little guy is the biggest grift. And can back up any of the claims in your post?
Pay attention to the polling reports. A lot of polling data on the economic switcheroo. A lot of data. The old New Deal white democrats are now pretty much solid Republicans, although pro Trump rather than pro Republicans. Hispanic working classes are switching to Trump big time, which is why Trump is doing so well in the polls. Even support from black voters is weakening for Biden and gaining for Trump.
The bias in your post is pretty clear in showing you have little understanding of the political realities of today's world. The Democratic party is ironically more pro-big business than the Republican party. The new Republicans are people like JD Vance who attack corporations while people like Schumer defend them. The rank and file of the upper echelons of corporate America are pretty Democratic now while their factory workers are leaning Republican.
If GOP cared to fix the mess of health insurance, freeing companies from providing insurance which would be great for business and increasing full time jobs, offered a public option to ALL Americans for the SAME cost, they would win my vote, and I am sure many other people's,
Anonymous
03/28/2024 11:58
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
DC complains that this kind of verbal aggression about full pay students goes on at their school, too. The attitude seems more prevalent among white students. POC seem to be more willing to take advantage of the free education without resentment.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Between 1987 and 2017, the cost of attending a public four-year college rose more than 200%.
For the 2024-2025 school year, Tufts’ estimates of expenses for undergraduate programs reaches nearly $96,000, trumping Wellesley — which comes in at about $92,000.
For the year strting this fall, Yale University comes in at almost $91,000, preceding Boston University with around $90,000 for the academic year.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/27/business/college-tuition-new-england-ninety-thousand/index.html
That is so effed up.
This is how they are affording to give so many kids financial aid. I am not against aid don’t get me wrong - I had it in college but this is what is allowing them to do this. Parents paying full tuition are paying for financial aid. It must be why. There is no other explanation or increase except they are admitting more kids that need more aid.
+1
Except I am against it. It should not be on other families to provide the FA but that is how it works right now and absolutely has driven costs way up.
On top of that, at least at my kid’s school, the FA kids are rude and aggressive to the full pay kids and treat them as if they should pay for everything (for example, voting to make laundry free and covered by a fee that only full pay kids pay).
Anonymous
03/28/2024 11:42
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:America is heading to a two tier society. Vote Biden or it gets worse
College tuition increased greatly when the Obama/Biden administration got the government heavily involved in the student loan process.
Citation please.
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/see-20-years-of-tuition-growth-at-national-universities
Just look at the chart in article. More pronounced at private colleges and out of state schools.
The chart says nothing about student loans, much less the Obama, Trump, or Biden administrations' roles if any in student loan programs. Nothing at all.
All it says is that tuition has increased. Well yes, we know that.
Anonymous
03/28/2024 11:20
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:America is heading to a two tier society. Vote Biden or it gets worse
I agree America is heading to a two tier society but it's worsened under Biden, not getting better. Why else do you think all the working classes are flocking to the Republicans and the rich flocking to Biden? Think about that carefully.
Higher education is also a purely Democratic fiefdom. They own the higher education cost mess. But they won't lift a finger to reform it.
As an immigrant, it’s something I will never understand. The GOP clearly does not give a crap about working Americans and is very much pro corporation. The fact that rich old men (many who went to elite schools that their base sneers at) convinced poor white men that they are for the little guy is the biggest grift. And can back up any of the claims in your post?
Pay attention to the polling reports. A lot of polling data on the economic switcheroo. A lot of data. The old New Deal white democrats are now pretty much solid Republicans, although pro Trump rather than pro Republicans. Hispanic working classes are switching to Trump big time, which is why Trump is doing so well in the polls. Even support from black voters is weakening for Biden and gaining for Trump.
The bias in your post is pretty clear in showing you have little understanding of the political realities of today's world. The Democratic party is ironically more pro-big business than the Republican party. The new Republicans are people like JD Vance who attack corporations while people like Schumer defend them. The rank and file of the upper echelons of corporate America are pretty Democratic now while their factory workers are leaning Republican.
Anonymous
03/28/2024 11:16
Subject: 200% increase in tuition
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Between 1987 and 2017, the cost of attending a public four-year college rose more than 200%.
For the 2024-2025 school year, Tufts’ estimates of expenses for undergraduate programs reaches nearly $96,000, trumping Wellesley — which comes in at about $92,000.
For the year strting this fall, Yale University comes in at almost $91,000, preceding Boston University with around $90,000 for the academic year.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/27/business/college-tuition-new-england-ninety-thousand/index.html
That is so effed up.
This is how they are affording to give so many kids financial aid. I am not against aid don’t get me wrong - I had it in college but this is what is allowing them to do this. Parents paying full tuition are paying for financial aid. It must be why. There is no other explanation or increase except they are admitting more kids that need more aid.
+1
Except I am against it. It should not be on other families to provide the FA but that is how it works right now and absolutely has driven costs way up.
On top of that, at least at my kid’s school, the FA kids are rude and aggressive to the full pay kids and treat them as if they should pay for everything (for example, voting to make laundry free and covered by a fee that only full pay kids pay).
At my kid's school laundry is covered as part of room & board. It's a way to keep the entire dorm cleaner.
What college is this??