Anonymous wrote:OP here. DD has several great options with good merit at several OOS public flagships. Michigan would be tough to swing as an OOS with no merit. We won’t be eligible for financial aid.

Yeah, that’s always the problem with the very top publics. Best of luck!

OP here. DD has several great options with good merit at several OOS public flagships. Michigan would be tough to swing as an OOS with no merit. We won’t be eligible for financial aid.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

if your kid doesn't want to go to W&M or Tech, or any of the other great state schools we have here, how is that VA failing us? That's your kids choice.

We are fortunate that Virginia offers lots of great choices; it doesn't mean "top students" (however that may be defined) are entitled to admission to the in-state school of their choice.

They should be, though. It's like that in other states.

Especially since Virginia is not a mega state like California, Floria, or Texas.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.”


You’re imagining things that don’t exist. Michigan is about 50/50 IS/OOS. Single digit OOS acceptances. It’s not a backup to UVA since OOS admittance is so low. It is interesting how Michigan’s OOS yield is higher than UVA, even without ED manipulation

Michigan is absolutely a backup for a small group of students rejected from UVa. High stats NoVa STEM students who are full pay. True for over a decade.

This is very true, not just STEM. It was true at my Fairfax Co HS back in the late 80s/90. High performance kids chose Ann Arbor as a back-up to UVA.

Thirty to forty years ago? You seriously expect anyone to care what happened last century?

It's always been this way. Period. Point: this isn't new. UMich was always a UVA backup for high-performing in-state VA students who can afford it.

Always? I think you’re living in the past. In the meantime in Michigan, UVA was never used as a backup. No need to when the local product was superior.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.”


You’re imagining things that don’t exist. Michigan is about 50/50 IS/OOS. Single digit OOS acceptances. It’s not a backup to UVA since OOS admittance is so low. It is interesting how Michigan’s OOS yield is higher than UVA, even without ED manipulation

Michigan is absolutely a backup for a small group of students rejected from UVa. High stats NoVa STEM students who are full pay. True for over a decade.

This is very true, not just STEM. It was true at my Fairfax Co HS back in the late 80s/90. High performance kids chose Ann Arbor as a back-up to UVA.

Thirty to forty years ago? You seriously expect anyone to care what happened last century?

It's always been this way. Period. Point: this isn't new. UMich was always a UVA backup for high-performing in-state VA students who can afford it.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.”


You’re imagining things that don’t exist. Michigan is about 50/50 IS/OOS. Single digit OOS acceptances. It’s not a backup to UVA since OOS admittance is so low. It is interesting how Michigan’s OOS yield is higher than UVA, even without ED manipulation

Michigan is absolutely a backup for a small group of students rejected from UVa. High stats NoVa STEM students who are full pay. True for over a decade.

It’s only a backup if they get in.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.”


You’re imagining things that don’t exist. Michigan is about 50/50 IS/OOS. Single digit OOS acceptances. It’s not a backup to UVA since OOS admittance is so low. It is interesting how Michigan’s OOS yield is higher than UVA, even without ED manipulation

Michigan is absolutely a backup for a small group of students rejected from UVa. High stats NoVa STEM students who are full pay. True for over a decade.

This is very true, not just STEM. It was true at my Fairfax Co HS back in the late 80s/90. High performance kids chose Ann Arbor as a back-up to UVA.

Thirty to forty years ago? You seriously expect anyone to care what happened last century?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

if your kid doesn't want to go to W&M or Tech, or any of the other great state schools we have here, how is that VA failing us? That's your kids choice.

We are fortunate that Virginia offers lots of great choices; it doesn't mean "top students" (however that may be defined) are entitled to admission to the in-state school of their choice.

They should be, though. It's like that in other states.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a rejection from UVA in state is probably indicative of a rejection from Michigan. Sorry OP. If WL by UVA, I think your DC would still be in the game at Michigan.

Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.

That is absolutely true. Just ask how many TJ students withdraw their UM applications after getting into UVA. This story happens every year with no end in sight. But TJ kids love to have UMich as their back-up alternative, which is not bad at all.

Imagine that? Instate TJ students decide to go to instate UVA instead of OOS Michigan! Who’d have thunk it? Your argument is lame.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.”


You’re imagining things that don’t exist. Michigan is about 50/50 IS/OOS. Single digit OOS acceptances. It’s not a backup to UVA since OOS admittance is so low. It is interesting how Michigan’s OOS yield is higher than UVA, even without ED manipulation

Michigan is absolutely a backup for a small group of students rejected from UVa. High stats NoVa STEM students who are full pay. True for over a decade.

This is very true, not just STEM. It was true at my Fairfax Co HS back in the late 80s/90. High performance kids chose Ann Arbor as a back-up to UVA.

The college landscape and admissions have changed a lot since the late 80s/90s. Michigan is very difficult to get into, as is UVA in-state and OOS, and when you say something is a backup - it means something that is viewed like a safety - and Michigan certainly is not. A top student can get into one and not the other -- and there is little predictability.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.”


You’re imagining things that don’t exist. Michigan is about 50/50 IS/OOS. Single digit OOS acceptances. It’s not a backup to UVA since OOS admittance is so low. It is interesting how Michigan’s OOS yield is higher than UVA, even without ED manipulation

Michigan is absolutely a backup for a small group of students rejected from UVa. High stats NoVa STEM students who are full pay. True for over a decade.

This is very true, not just STEM. It was true at my Fairfax Co HS back in the late 80s/90. High performance kids chose Ann Arbor as a back-up to UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

If it expanded, it would get watered down.

Not only would it be watered down, it would require investment that would be diverted from other schools, and expansion would have knock on effects on other schools at a time when the number of applicants is forecast to decline.

A couple of years ago, Virginia Tech significantly (and I believe unintentionally) overenrolled. This had a significant impact on schools like JMU and others that had to go deeper to fill their classes.

UVA and W&M have had space limitations for years, making difficult to expand. VT had been filling that supply gap by admitting more folks who wanted to attend the flagship troika of schools.

Now that VT has stopped filling that Virginia demand by taking more OOS and embarking on FGLI and URM initiatives and responding to the overenrollment shock, the supply of slots from the troika available to NOVA and Richmond students has gone down. If your DC doesn't like JMU/VCU/GMU as an alternative, then OOS publics beckon and if you have the $ they are desirable. But for many here, $ is a consideration and so cue the complaints about the UVA/W&M/VT troika.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a rejection from UVA in state is probably indicative of a rejection from Michigan. Sorry OP. If WL by UVA, I think your DC would still be in the game at Michigan.

Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.

That is absolutely true. Just ask how many TJ students withdraw their UM applications after getting into UVA. This story happens every year with no end in sight. But TJ kids love to have UMich as their back-up alternative, which is not bad at all.

Anonymous wrote:“ Not at all! UMich is the 'back up alternative' for kids that get rejected from UVA. I see it over and over again. There are too many kids applying to UVA from each HS so even top candidates that seemingly have 'everything' get rejected or waitlisted. When that happens--many end up at U Mich.”


You’re imagining things that don’t exist. Michigan is about 50/50 IS/OOS. Single digit OOS acceptances. It’s not a backup to UVA since OOS admittance is so low. It is interesting how Michigan’s OOS yield is higher than UVA, even without ED manipulation

Michigan is absolutely a backup for a small group of students rejected from UVa. High stats NoVa STEM students who are full pay. True for over a decade.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to figure out how to expand so our top students can stay in state. No, my high stats kid doesn’t want to go to W&M or VT. Virginia is failing the taxpayers.

if your kid doesn't want to go to W&M or Tech, or any of the other great state schools we have here, how is that VA failing us? That's your kids choice.

We are fortunate that Virginia offers lots of great choices; it doesn't mean "top students" (however that may be defined) are entitled to admission to the in-state school of their choice.

It should mean that though.. Even Virginia Tech favors OOS students. Admit rates for OOS is far higher than for in-state students.

Because OOS yield is so low. The actual student body is 2/3 Virginia students, a little higher % than UVA has. If you want them to be more VA-dominated, you'd need to lobby the state to impose limits. Like in CA the top UCs are 75% CA residents.

The top UC's are more than 80% in state residents.

Just looked at their data and it's actually exactly 80% at Berkeley & Santa Barbara, 79% at UCLA, Davis, San Diego. Lowest in-state % is Irvine, 76%, and that goes along with a high % international not US OOS students. The less-desirable UCs are all higher in-state % (90%+) https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/freshman-admissions-summary

Regardless, if you want VA to be California then you need to lobby the state legislature to better fund VA universities and set caps on OOS admissions. Right now, the universities have figured out the % they need to be majority VA students but also have the funding they need since VA doesn't fund state Us very well. And, any VA student can go to a public college it just may not be their first choice.