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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Does 4.0 uw mean the student never got below an A in high school? Im a parent of a ninth grader, who’s first two semesters were less than perfect. She pulled her grades up to a 3.8 average by some miracle. So she’s already shut out of uva?

Sort of. No room for error. The system has gotten ridiculous.

So sad!! 4.0 UW GPA is so unforgiving particularly if you are coming from a rigorous magnet HS with no grade inflation and taking on all AP/honors courses ... UMich and UNC are similar too.

It’s unforgiving period. Teachers are people and they teach and grade differently. They are human and have biases and preferences they aren’t even conscious of. I don’t know how ANY kid gets a 4.0 without also navigating personalities and controlling their schedule with that in mind too. It’s not just about working hard, it’s about controlling your schedule and also getting lucky. You pick French in 8th grade but the 11th grade teacher doesn’t do As- you can’t control that. Thais kind of thing happens all the time. I have no idea how anyone gets an UW 4.0 without a ton of luck.

Agree. The kids I know with a 4.0 have studiously avoided certain classes and teachers. They’re clever and very intentional. They will drop down in rigor if they know the rigorous class has a tougher teacher. They will take AP classes in things they are not necessarily interested in because it’s an easy A. Etc.

Mind you, this WORKS. Colleges like to see 4.0’s. Students are smart and catch on quickly on how to play the game.

There are countering experiences to every thing posted like this on a range of topics. Our 4.0 UW kid had the AP Physics, AP Chem, the AP English classes and the histories. The BC Calc in 11th, the DiffEQ in 12th. So the sweeping statements are just not applicable to all successful UVA applicants.

Was it unforgiving? Yes. Were there difficult graders and personalities along the way? Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:The key to getting into UVA is having the stats and applying ED.

ED.
ED.
ED.

That is the secret.

This. And come from a state where they get fewer applications and from a school where it’s easier to be at the “top of your class” (so, not a high SES high school but something with more achievement/goal diversity)

Top of the class is much less important than ED, OP. We know first hand.

Anonymous wrote:The key to getting into UVA is having the stats and applying ED.

ED.
ED.
ED.

That is the secret.

This. And come from a state where they get fewer applications and from a school where it’s easier to be at the “top of your class” (so, not a high SES high school but something with more achievement/goal diversity)

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Does 4.0 uw mean the student never got below an A in high school? Im a parent of a ninth grader, who’s first two semesters were less than perfect. She pulled her grades up to a 3.8 average by some miracle. So she’s already shut out of uva?

Sort of. No room for error. The system has gotten ridiculous.

So sad!! 4.0 UW GPA is so unforgiving particularly if you are coming from a rigorous magnet HS with no grade inflation and taking on all AP/honors courses ... UMich and UNC are similar too.

It’s unforgiving period. Teachers are people and they teach and grade differently. They are human and have biases and preferences they aren’t even conscious of. I don’t know how ANY kid gets a 4.0 without also navigating personalities and controlling their schedule with that in mind too. It’s not just about working hard, it’s about controlling your schedule and also getting lucky. You pick French in 8th grade but the 11th grade teacher doesn’t do As- you can’t control that. Thais kind of thing happens all the time. I have no idea how anyone gets an UW 4.0 without a ton of luck.

Agree. The kids I know with a 4.0 have studiously avoided certain classes and teachers. They’re clever and very intentional. They will drop down in rigor if they know the rigorous class has a tougher teacher. They will take AP classes in things they are not necessarily interested in because it’s an easy A. Etc.

Mind you, this WORKS. Colleges like to see 4.0’s. Students are smart and catch on quickly on how to play the game.

The key to getting into UVA is having the stats and applying ED.

ED.
ED.
ED.

That is the secret.

what about AP Stats instead of AP Calc for UVA? Does UVA consider AP Stats a math course?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Does 4.0 uw mean the student never got below an A in high school? Im a parent of a ninth grader, who’s first two semesters were less than perfect. She pulled her grades up to a 3.8 average by some miracle. So she’s already shut out of uva?

Sort of. No room for error. The system has gotten ridiculous.

So sad!! 4.0 UW GPA is so unforgiving particularly if you are coming from a rigorous magnet HS with no grade inflation and taking on all AP/honors courses ... UMich and UNC are similar too.

It’s unforgiving period. Teachers are people and they teach and grade differently. They are human and have biases and preferences they aren’t even conscious of. I don’t know how ANY kid gets a 4.0 without also navigating personalities and controlling their schedule with that in mind too. It’s not just about working hard, it’s about controlling your schedule and also getting lucky. You pick French in 8th grade but the 11th grade teacher doesn’t do As- you can’t control that. Thais kind of thing happens all the time. I have no idea how anyone gets an UW 4.0 without a ton of luck.

They take rigorous classes, but not the most rigorous. The kids I know with 4.0s are very purposefully on mid-level math tracking so will taken AP Calc in 12th. AP Stats, AP Psych, APES, APUSH, AP Lang and Lit. Many avoid AP Chem and Physics.

Then they won’t get into UVA. It and Dean J have been very clear about that … for years

But they do get into UVA. AP Calc senior year is fine for non-engineering majors. Get with the program.

You don’t need stats. You need a miracle these days. Good Luck!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Does 4.0 uw mean the student never got below an A in high school? Im a parent of a ninth grader, who’s first two semesters were less than perfect. She pulled her grades up to a 3.8 average by some miracle. So she’s already shut out of uva?

Sort of. No room for error. The system has gotten ridiculous.

So sad!! 4.0 UW GPA is so unforgiving particularly if you are coming from a rigorous magnet HS with no grade inflation and taking on all AP/honors courses ... UMich and UNC are similar too.

It’s unforgiving period. Teachers are people and they teach and grade differently. They are human and have biases and preferences they aren’t even conscious of. I don’t know how ANY kid gets a 4.0 without also navigating personalities and controlling their schedule with that in mind too. It’s not just about working hard, it’s about controlling your schedule and also getting lucky. You pick French in 8th grade but the 11th grade teacher doesn’t do As- you can’t control that. Thais kind of thing happens all the time. I have no idea how anyone gets an UW 4.0 without a ton of luck.

They take rigorous classes, but not the most rigorous. The kids I know with 4.0s are very purposefully on mid-level math tracking so will taken AP Calc in 12th. AP Stats, AP Psych, APES, APUSH, AP Lang and Lit. Many avoid AP Chem and Physics.

Then they won’t get into UVA. It and Dean J have been very clear about that … for years

Not sure what these PP’s are talking about…it’s perfectly doable while taking the most rigorous load and without luck. Beyond the obvious traits of being extremely intelligent the student does need to possess other skills not common in teenagers like being organized, deliberate, and engaging with the teachers like they care. I’m not talking Tracy Flick level of engaging but having the fortitude to ask questions and take the time to sit down and work through things. Time management and organizational skills are a game changer. My kid was 4.0/4.83 at with an extremely rigorous schedule. Gov. School, club/varsity captain, and a social life. 3.5 years through college and still has a 4.0 as a double major in chem and econ. Get your kids in organizational and time management classes early, will pay-off for life.

Mine did private school, Eagle Scout, camps, summer college courses at NVCC, and took most rigorous curriculum at his private, studied hard and got a 36 ACT, was valedictorian and got into UVA. UVA is VERY TRANSPARENT about what it wants to see. Parents just have to read Dean J's notes and SCHEV and study Naviance or SCOIR. Or read this website. There are 100s of threads on the most rigorous box here.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Does 4.0 uw mean the student never got below an A in high school? Im a parent of a ninth grader, who’s first two semesters were less than perfect. She pulled her grades up to a 3.8 average by some miracle. So she’s already shut out of uva?

Sort of. No room for error. The system has gotten ridiculous.

So sad!! 4.0 UW GPA is so unforgiving particularly if you are coming from a rigorous magnet HS with no grade inflation and taking on all AP/honors courses ... UMich and UNC are similar too.

It’s unforgiving period. Teachers are people and they teach and grade differently. They are human and have biases and preferences they aren’t even conscious of. I don’t know how ANY kid gets a 4.0 without also navigating personalities and controlling their schedule with that in mind too. It’s not just about working hard, it’s about controlling your schedule and also getting lucky. You pick French in 8th grade but the 11th grade teacher doesn’t do As- you can’t control that. Thais kind of thing happens all the time. I have no idea how anyone gets an UW 4.0 without a ton of luck.

They take rigorous classes, but not the most rigorous. The kids I know with 4.0s are very purposefully on mid-level math tracking so will taken AP Calc in 12th. AP Stats, AP Psych, APES, APUSH, AP Lang and Lit. Many avoid AP Chem and Physics.

Then they won’t get into UVA. It and Dean J have been very clear about that … for years

Not sure what these PP’s are talking about…it’s perfectly doable while taking the most rigorous load and without luck. Beyond the obvious traits of being extremely intelligent the student does need to possess other skills not common in teenagers like being organized, deliberate, and engaging with the teachers like they care. I’m not talking Tracy Flick level of engaging but having the fortitude to ask questions and take the time to sit down and work through things. Time management and organizational skills are a game changer. My kid was 4.0/4.83 at with an extremely rigorous schedule. Gov. School, club/varsity captain, and a social life. 3.5 years through college and still has a 4.0 as a double major in chem and econ. Get your kids in organizational and time management classes early, will pay-off for life.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Does 4.0 uw mean the student never got below an A in high school? Im a parent of a ninth grader, who’s first two semesters were less than perfect. She pulled her grades up to a 3.8 average by some miracle. So she’s already shut out of uva?

Sort of. No room for error. The system has gotten ridiculous.

So sad!! 4.0 UW GPA is so unforgiving particularly if you are coming from a rigorous magnet HS with no grade inflation and taking on all AP/honors courses ... UMich and UNC are similar too.

It’s unforgiving period. Teachers are people and they teach and grade differently. They are human and have biases and preferences they aren’t even conscious of. I don’t know how ANY kid gets a 4.0 without also navigating personalities and controlling their schedule with that in mind too. It’s not just about working hard, it’s about controlling your schedule and also getting lucky. You pick French in 8th grade but the 11th grade teacher doesn’t do As- you can’t control that. Thais kind of thing happens all the time. I have no idea how anyone gets an UW 4.0 without a ton of luck.

They take rigorous classes, but not the most rigorous. The kids I know with 4.0s are very purposefully on mid-level math tracking so will taken AP Calc in 12th. AP Stats, AP Psych, APES, APUSH, AP Lang and Lit. Many avoid AP Chem and Physics.

Then they won’t get into UVA. It and Dean J have been very clear about that … for years

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Does 4.0 uw mean the student never got below an A in high school? Im a parent of a ninth grader, who’s first two semesters were less than perfect. She pulled her grades up to a 3.8 average by some miracle. So she’s already shut out of uva?

Sort of. No room for error. The system has gotten ridiculous.

So sad!! 4.0 UW GPA is so unforgiving particularly if you are coming from a rigorous magnet HS with no grade inflation and taking on all AP/honors courses ... UMich and UNC are similar too.

It’s unforgiving period. Teachers are people and they teach and grade differently. They are human and have biases and preferences they aren’t even conscious of. I don’t know how ANY kid gets a 4.0 without also navigating personalities and controlling their schedule with that in mind too. It’s not just about working hard, it’s about controlling your schedule and also getting lucky. You pick French in 8th grade but the 11th grade teacher doesn’t do As- you can’t control that. Thais kind of thing happens all the time. I have no idea how anyone gets an UW 4.0 without a ton of luck.

They take rigorous classes, but not the most rigorous. The kids I know with 4.0s are very purposefully on mid-level math tracking so will taken AP Calc in 12th. AP Stats, AP Psych, APES, APUSH, AP Lang and Lit. Many avoid AP Chem and Physics.

+1. And if done at a HS where this type of progression actually would be considered most rigorous, even better.

At our FCPS school, many stay away from AP Lang, AP LIT and AP Spanish and may try DE or honors because the teachers are known for harsh grading to preserve their GPA.

Anonymous wrote:Oos daughter accepted this year - 4.0/4.65, 1520 (760/760 - one time), 8 APs, highest rigor

What major?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Does 4.0 uw mean the student never got below an A in high school? Im a parent of a ninth grader, who’s first two semesters were less than perfect. She pulled her grades up to a 3.8 average by some miracle. So she’s already shut out of uva?

Sort of. No room for error. The system has gotten ridiculous.

So sad!! 4.0 UW GPA is so unforgiving particularly if you are coming from a rigorous magnet HS with no grade inflation and taking on all AP/honors courses ... UMich and UNC are similar too.

It’s unforgiving period. Teachers are people and they teach and grade differently. They are human and have biases and preferences they aren’t even conscious of. I don’t know how ANY kid gets a 4.0 without also navigating personalities and controlling their schedule with that in mind too. It’s not just about working hard, it’s about controlling your schedule and also getting lucky. You pick French in 8th grade but the 11th grade teacher doesn’t do As- you can’t control that. Thais kind of thing happens all the time. I have no idea how anyone gets an UW 4.0 without a ton of luck.

They take rigorous classes, but not the most rigorous. The kids I know with 4.0s are very purposefully on mid-level math tracking so will taken AP Calc in 12th. AP Stats, AP Psych, APES, APUSH, AP Lang and Lit. Many avoid AP Chem and Physics.

+1. And if done at a HS where this type of progression actually would be considered most rigorous, even better.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Does 4.0 uw mean the student never got below an A in high school? Im a parent of a ninth grader, who’s first two semesters were less than perfect. She pulled her grades up to a 3.8 average by some miracle. So she’s already shut out of uva?

Sort of. No room for error. The system has gotten ridiculous.

So sad!! 4.0 UW GPA is so unforgiving particularly if you are coming from a rigorous magnet HS with no grade inflation and taking on all AP/honors courses ... UMich and UNC are similar too.

It’s unforgiving period. Teachers are people and they teach and grade differently. They are human and have biases and preferences they aren’t even conscious of. I don’t know how ANY kid gets a 4.0 without also navigating personalities and controlling their schedule with that in mind too. It’s not just about working hard, it’s about controlling your schedule and also getting lucky. You pick French in 8th grade but the 11th grade teacher doesn’t do As- you can’t control that. Thais kind of thing happens all the time. I have no idea how anyone gets an UW 4.0 without a ton of luck.

They take rigorous classes, but not the most rigorous. The kids I know with 4.0s are very purposefully on mid-level math tracking so will taken AP Calc in 12th. AP Stats, AP Psych, APES, APUSH, AP Lang and Lit. Many avoid AP Chem and Physics.