Anonymous wrote:DCUMers: What would you choose? Oxbridge or HYP? For, say, Math/Physics/Economics?

I know a non-HYP ivy grad who chose a 2nd tier US grad school over Oxford. Part of her logic was that she already has a US ivy degree that was good enough for her so the Oxford name recognition didn't have the pull.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUMers: What would you choose? Oxbridge or HYP? For, say, Math/Physics/Economics?

Does your child want to teach? Do they want an MPhil or DPhil? The Oxbridge DPhil is not pedagogical. It is purely research-driven. That can be a plus or a minus. If your child wants to teach back here in the U.S., it is usually better to get the (much longer) U.S. doctorate because it includes pedagogy. On the other hand, in the right department, you can get an Oxford DPhil faster than a U.S. one.

Nope. Teaching is learned on the (underpaid) job.

Anonymous wrote:DCUMers: What would you choose? Oxbridge or HYP? For, say, Math/Physics/Economics?

HYP, and P for Maths or Physics, HY for Econs

Anonymous wrote:Cambridge has a low acceptance for US students. Only 5%. They have a lower yield rate because you don’t find out until after you have committed to a US school. Those kids tend to get into HYP so it’s a hard decision.

For those reading who are new, you have to pick either Oxford or Cambridge. You can apply to only one in a calendar year

Cambridge has a low acceptance for US students. Only 5%. They have a lower yield rate because you don’t find out until after you have committed to a US school. Those kids tend to get into HYP so it’s a hard decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Oxford also makes EE offers to A level students predicted A*A*A*

and they accept them regardless of their results.

Those aren't international american students. different rules.

actually they sometimes are, if they are outstanding, but I agree, they are not often enough of that level

Anonymous wrote:Oxford also makes EE offers to A level students predicted A*A*A*

and they accept them regardless of their results.

Those aren't international american students. different rules.

Re the APs for American students. Those 5s are required in those areas of proposed study and are designed that your student show mastery in those areas.

Generally:
Either four APs at grade 5;
Or three APs at grade 5 plus a score of 33 or above in the ACT or 1480 or above (out of 1600) in the SAT.

Oxford also makes EE offers to A level students predicted A*A*A*

and they accept them regardless of their results.

Anonymous wrote:DCUMers: What would you choose? Oxbridge or HYP? For, say, Math/Physics/Economics?

HI PP, I have a kid at Oxford. I'll try to answer

Does your kid want a USA four-year rah rah liberal arts experience along with the math/physics/economics? If so, then HYP (I'm assuming you know how difficult it is to get into those three places?). Or do they just want to do pure research? Do they know if there is someone at Oxbridge they want to study or do research under (essay fodder)? Are they aware they have to make a very strong case in the application as to why they should be allowed to come and study that particular subject at Oxbridge? Then there are the oral interviews (there are entire books on how to pass these interviews)., Oxford also has high AP test requirements. Last I knew, your student needed to take 3 AP test and score 5 on all three. Here's a start for the application process. https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/courses/admission-requirements/admission-requirements-table.

If your student does get an offer, it will most likely be a "conditional offer" meaning that Oxford wants to see the AP exam results and the end-of-senior-year grades before a full admission. (also a financial status submission proving you have the money to attend). Oxford is unyielding on the conditions. If you don't meet them, they move on to the next person on the list and your kid goes to community college for a year.

Does your child want to teach? Do they want an MPhil or DPhil? The Oxbridge DPhil is not pedagogical. It is purely research-driven. That can be a plus or a minus. If your child wants to teach back here in the U.S., it is usually better to get the (much longer) U.S. doctorate because it includes pedagogy. On the other hand, in the right department, you can get an Oxford DPhil faster than a U.S. one.

Is your student familiar with "rusticating"? This is when students who are not doing well voluntarily leave Oxbridge or or told to leave for at least a year. It has happened to a number of my DC's friends. There is a Facebook page for parents of Oxford students. Rusticating is discussed there a lot - ironically, a lot by British parents, not as many Americans. But many kids just can't cut it and are rusticated. You need backup plans should this happen.

Also, there is the risk of going the full three years for undergrad and not passing. Or, in the case of some of my DC's friends, two years were lost towards a MPhil but in the end they didn't pass (one exam; one paper). The Oxford 100-point grading system can be brutal to Americans. Anything over a 70 is considered a miracle for an American. 69 is passing. Those who were sent home without a degree scored in the 50s. So they have nothing for their two years there.

And of course there is no hand-holding, as you undoubtedly know. If your child is a self-starter and gets good tutors and can self-advocate then they may succeed. It is not like the US system where you can hide in a large classroom all term and never do the reading or never discuss a topic. When you meet with your tutor it is expected that not only have you read all of the material but that you have "mastered" it and can speak with some eloquence in the area of study.

It's a tough place.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it Ox or Bridge ??

Rather not say. Will probably out the kid!

If the kid wants to settle down in the UK, oxtail. Nobody in the USA cares about oxtail. Not many in the USA graduated from one.

A UVA grad hiring manager will pull for one of his own, not oxtail. Not many oxtail grads in the hiring manager role in the USA.

Stop trying to make Oxtail a thing

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Anonymous wrote:Is it Ox or Bridge ??

Rather not say. Will probably out the kid!

If the kid wants to settle down in the UK, oxtail. Nobody in the USA cares about oxtail. Not many in the USA graduated from one.

A UVA grad hiring manager will pull for one of his own, not oxtail. Not many oxtail grads in the hiring manager role in the USA.

^above is in sciences and mathematics

I don’t know anything about the undergrad experience. But research funding in the UK has become much more applied post Brexit. Some of the profs are leaving and new (equally good/qualified) folk are coming in.

DCUMers: What would you choose? Oxbridge or HYP? For, say, Math/Physics/Economics?