Thank you Governor Youngkin. Good use of the veto this year.

Anonymous wrote:The reason this law is bad is twofold. First the victim of the crime is punished and there is no additional punishment for the criminal. Add a mandatory sentence of 10+ years for the theft of the gun and more people will support it.

But not going to happen because it would not be equitable. But then that is really the racist issue since by not punishing the thief democrats pushing the bill are assuming the thieves will be minorities.

Just wait - when Youngkin vetoes this stupid bill, he’ll be called racist for “assuming it would disproportionately effect black people because he ‘thinks only black people steal guns’, therefore he feels it necessary to veto, because he’s racist”.

That’s totally going to happen. Just watch.

The reason this law is bad is twofold. First the victim of the crime is punished and there is no additional punishment for the criminal. Add a mandatory sentence of 10+ years for the theft of the gun and more people will support it.

But not going to happen because it would not be equitable. But then that is really the racist issue since by not punishing the thief democrats pushing the bill are assuming the thieves will be minorities.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in strict liability for gun owners. If your gun is used to commit a crime or unintentionally shoot someone, the owner is liable, period.

So do I. If your stolen car is used to commit a crime, you are liable.

This is a very good idea as well. Most vehicles used in carjackings are stolen vehicles themselves. Not too mention robberies and drive by shootings too.

If your car is stolen and is later used to commit a crime, you should definitely be held responsible for it. Absolutely.

A car, a bike, a motorbike are means of transportation. A gun is a weapon designed to kill. A gun owner should be held responsible if the gun is not secured. Think of all the idiots who keep a loaded gun in the car, purse and so on around young kids. Toddlers would not shoot themselves or their siblings (or even parents) if the guns were not left around loaded by irresponsible owners. If you want a gun, be a responsible gun owner.

I am so relieved. I was worried that cars could be used to kill people.

Only about 40,000 people a year and climbing! Maybe I should get a concealed carry Suburban...

Have any kind of vehicle you want. Just be responsible and don’t allow it to be stolen.

Because if it is, and gets used in a crime, you should be held criminally responsible.

Why am I responsible for a thief breaking the law and stealing my gun?

What is the charge for being a victim of theft?

Because you left a weapon unsecured. Why should people get robbed or killed because of your incompetence and laziness? Take a basic firearms class and they will teach you how to secure your firearm.

Did you leave your car unsecured last night? Did you do anything besides merely locking the door with the key fob to protect the rest of us from someone stealing your car and using it to help them prey on us?

Won’t you agree that people who simply lock their car are being incompetent and lazy? They’re doing nothing to deter a car thief. Don’t you think those people should be charged for that?

It takes no time at all after parking your car to pop the hood, open up the main PDC box near the engine, and remove the fuel pump relay, the starter rely, the ECU fuse, and starter fuse, and take them with you in your pocket or purse. By performing this easy process, you can render your car undriveable. It cannot be stolen at that point. And it takes less than 5 minutes to complete.

If you aren’t doing this, people could be robbed or killed by a criminal using your stolen car. That makes you a criminal too.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in strict liability for gun owners. If your gun is used to commit a crime or unintentionally shoot someone, the owner is liable, period.

So do I. If your stolen car is used to commit a crime, you are liable.

This is a very good idea as well. Most vehicles used in carjackings are stolen vehicles themselves. Not too mention robberies and drive by shootings too.

If your car is stolen and is later used to commit a crime, you should definitely be held responsible for it. Absolutely.

A car, a bike, a motorbike are means of transportation. A gun is a weapon designed to kill. A gun owner should be held responsible if the gun is not secured. Think of all the idiots who keep a loaded gun in the car, purse and so on around young kids. Toddlers would not shoot themselves or their siblings (or even parents) if the guns were not left around loaded by irresponsible owners. If you want a gun, be a responsible gun owner.

I am so relieved. I was worried that cars could be used to kill people.

Only about 40,000 people a year and climbing! Maybe I should get a concealed carry Suburban...

Have any kind of vehicle you want. Just be responsible and don’t allow it to be stolen.

Because if it is, and gets used in a crime, you should be held criminally responsible.

Why am I responsible for a thief breaking the law and stealing my gun?

What is the charge for being a victim of theft?

Because you left a weapon unsecured. Why should people get robbed or killed because of your incompetence and laziness? Take a basic firearms class and they will teach you how to secure your firearm.

Yes, Youngkin will shoot this down.

Looks like Governor Youngkin will have a number of bills to veto - https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/local/virginia/virginias-general-assembly-has-a-slew-of-gun-reform-bills-headed-to-the-governors-desk/291-5729ea1b-2fdf-409d-ae8e-d99eeea42796

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in strict liability for gun owners. If your gun is used to commit a crime or unintentionally shoot someone, the owner is liable, period.

So do I. If your stolen car is used to commit a crime, you are liable.

This is a very good idea as well. Most vehicles used in carjackings are stolen vehicles themselves. Not too mention robberies and drive by shootings too.

If your car is stolen and is later used to commit a crime, you should definitely be held responsible for it. Absolutely.

A car, a bike, a motorbike are means of transportation. A gun is a weapon designed to kill. A gun owner should be held responsible if the gun is not secured. Think of all the idiots who keep a loaded gun in the car, purse and so on around young kids. Toddlers would not shoot themselves or their siblings (or even parents) if the guns were not left around loaded by irresponsible owners. If you want a gun, be a responsible gun owner.

I am so relieved. I was worried that cars could be used to kill people.

Only about 40,000 people a year and climbing! Maybe I should get a concealed carry Suburban...

Have any kind of vehicle you want. Just be responsible and don’t allow it to be stolen.

Because if it is, and gets used in a crime, you should be held criminally responsible.

Why am I responsible for a thief breaking the law and stealing my gun?

What is the charge for being a victim of theft?

Because the majority don't want guns, but the are a protected right. Therefore, the state is going to regulate them to then extent the courts will let them

There are more households in the US with at least one gun than there are with no guns.

You are an urban bubble dweller and think you’re in the majority. You aren’t.

Whenever a criminal uses a gun to commit a crime, urban bubblers/leftists/guncontrol groups attack and malign responsible gun owners who follow the laws. There are millions of guns in our country that never are used to commit crime by gun owners. Why can’t people who are criminal be prosecuted harshly and responsible/decent people be left alone?

Because of the demographic differences between criminals who use guns and the gun owners who do not commit crimes. The first group is comprised of "victims" and the second group is composed of responsbile people.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in strict liability for gun owners. If your gun is used to commit a crime or unintentionally shoot someone, the owner is liable, period.

So do I. If your stolen car is used to commit a crime, you are liable.

This is a very good idea as well. Most vehicles used in carjackings are stolen vehicles themselves. Not too mention robberies and drive by shootings too.

If your car is stolen and is later used to commit a crime, you should definitely be held responsible for it. Absolutely.

A car, a bike, a motorbike are means of transportation. A gun is a weapon designed to kill. A gun owner should be held responsible if the gun is not secured. Think of all the idiots who keep a loaded gun in the car, purse and so on around young kids. Toddlers would not shoot themselves or their siblings (or even parents) if the guns were not left around loaded by irresponsible owners. If you want a gun, be a responsible gun owner.

I am so relieved. I was worried that cars could be used to kill people.

Only about 40,000 people a year and climbing! Maybe I should get a concealed carry Suburban...

Have any kind of vehicle you want. Just be responsible and don’t allow it to be stolen.

Because if it is, and gets used in a crime, you should be held criminally responsible.

Why am I responsible for a thief breaking the law and stealing my gun?

What is the charge for being a victim of theft?

Because the majority don't want guns, but the are a protected right. Therefore, the state is going to regulate them to then extent the courts will let them

There are more households in the US with at least one gun than there are with no guns.

You are an urban bubble dweller and think you’re in the majority. You aren’t.

Whenever a criminal uses a gun to commit a crime, urban bubblers/leftists/guncontrol groups attack and malign responsible gun owners who follow the laws. There are millions of guns in our country that never are used to commit crime by gun owners. Why can’t people who are criminal be prosecuted harshly and responsible/decent people be left alone?

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in strict liability for gun owners. If your gun is used to commit a crime or unintentionally shoot someone, the owner is liable, period.

So do I. If your stolen car is used to commit a crime, you are liable.

This is a very good idea as well. Most vehicles used in carjackings are stolen vehicles themselves. Not too mention robberies and drive by shootings too.

If your car is stolen and is later used to commit a crime, you should definitely be held responsible for it. Absolutely.

A car, a bike, a motorbike are means of transportation. A gun is a weapon designed to kill. A gun owner should be held responsible if the gun is not secured. Think of all the idiots who keep a loaded gun in the car, purse and so on around young kids. Toddlers would not shoot themselves or their siblings (or even parents) if the guns were not left around loaded by irresponsible owners. If you want a gun, be a responsible gun owner.

I am so relieved. I was worried that cars could be used to kill people.

Only about 40,000 people a year and climbing! Maybe I should get a concealed carry Suburban...

Have any kind of vehicle you want. Just be responsible and don’t allow it to be stolen.

Because if it is, and gets used in a crime, you should be held criminally responsible.

Why am I responsible for a thief breaking the law and stealing my gun?

What is the charge for being a victim of theft?

Because the majority don't want guns, but the are a protected right. Therefore, the state is going to regulate them to then extent the courts will let them

Take a look at gun sales over the past few years. Gun owners are a diverse lot and more people have guns in the home than not. So it is now the minority of households that don’t want guns.

You’re not the majority yet.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/#:~:text=About%20four%2Din%2Dten%20U.S.,based%20on%20our%20June%20survey.

And what was Pew’s methodology for accounting for the ~25-33% of people who falsely state “no” when asked by surveyors “if there is a gun in their home?” ?

Because most of the people I know who own guns would absolutely state to a pollster that they didn’t own any guns. I’m probably one of the few people I know who’d answer that question honestly to a stranger taking a survey. The rest would lie, for a variety of reasons - most well founded. And any survey that doesn’t take that into account is worthless GIGO statistics.

A MUCH better question that is likely to yield more accurate results would be “does your neighbor own a gun?”

And in many places in this country, the answer will be “yes”.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in strict liability for gun owners. If your gun is used to commit a crime or unintentionally shoot someone, the owner is liable, period.

So do I. If your stolen car is used to commit a crime, you are liable.

This is a very good idea as well. Most vehicles used in carjackings are stolen vehicles themselves. Not too mention robberies and drive by shootings too.

If your car is stolen and is later used to commit a crime, you should definitely be held responsible for it. Absolutely.

A car, a bike, a motorbike are means of transportation. A gun is a weapon designed to kill. A gun owner should be held responsible if the gun is not secured. Think of all the idiots who keep a loaded gun in the car, purse and so on around young kids. Toddlers would not shoot themselves or their siblings (or even parents) if the guns were not left around loaded by irresponsible owners. If you want a gun, be a responsible gun owner.

I am so relieved. I was worried that cars could be used to kill people.

Only about 40,000 people a year and climbing! Maybe I should get a concealed carry Suburban...

Have any kind of vehicle you want. Just be responsible and don’t allow it to be stolen.

Because if it is, and gets used in a crime, you should be held criminally responsible.

Why am I responsible for a thief breaking the law and stealing my gun?

What is the charge for being a victim of theft?

Because the majority don't want guns, but the are a protected right. Therefore, the state is going to regulate them to then extent the courts will let them

Take a look at gun sales over the past few years. Gun owners are a diverse lot and more people have guns in the home than not. So it is now the minority of households that don’t want guns.

You’re not the majority yet.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/#:~:text=About%20four%2Din%2Dten%20U.S.,based%20on%20our%20June%20survey.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this law can be used to jail as many gun nutters as possible. I’m gleeful at the thought of them going to prison and getting sodomized in the shower every day because just had to have their penile substitute on display for the world to see. Better pack your soap-on-a-rope, ammosexuals! Big Bubba is waiting for you in the shower.

Reading is hard, gun owner does not go to jail. They receive a fine, which can be arbitrarily accessed, since they would be unable to prove a negative, gun was not stored in the open.

Gun owners should be responsible, but Virginia CHP holders are a law abiding group. So running into the post office or some other “sensitive” place requires them to leave their weapons somewhere (their car). Should be far less sensitive places to remove their need to leave a gun in a car.

If you leave your gun unsecured in a car you are not a law abiding citizen. It’s that simple.

What if the gun is locked inside a box/safe/container inside the car?

Because there ARE places that do not permit people who are otherwise carrying a gun legally (people with permits) to carry a gun inside. If people are required by law not to carry a gun in these places, then what are they supposed to do with their gun if they also cannot leave it in their car. That seems like a Catch-22 situation.

Is is creating situations like that the *intent* of the law? Because that doesn’t seem like legislating in good faith.

Leave it at home? Why do you need it with you to run errands?

The whole point of concealed carry is you always have it on you because victims of crime don’t have the luxury of a crystal ball to determine when and where they will be attacked.

Fine, have it on you and don’t leave it in your car, and you’ll never run afoul of this law.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in strict liability for gun owners. If your gun is used to commit a crime or unintentionally shoot someone, the owner is liable, period.

So do I. If your stolen car is used to commit a crime, you are liable.

This is a very good idea as well. Most vehicles used in carjackings are stolen vehicles themselves. Not too mention robberies and drive by shootings too.

If your car is stolen and is later used to commit a crime, you should definitely be held responsible for it. Absolutely.

A car, a bike, a motorbike are means of transportation. A gun is a weapon designed to kill. A gun owner should be held responsible if the gun is not secured. Think of all the idiots who keep a loaded gun in the car, purse and so on around young kids. Toddlers would not shoot themselves or their siblings (or even parents) if the guns were not left around loaded by irresponsible owners. If you want a gun, be a responsible gun owner.

I am so relieved. I was worried that cars could be used to kill people.

Only about 40,000 people a year and climbing! Maybe I should get a concealed carry Suburban...

Have any kind of vehicle you want. Just be responsible and don’t allow it to be stolen.

Because if it is, and gets used in a crime, you should be held criminally responsible.

Why am I responsible for a thief breaking the law and stealing my gun?

What is the charge for being a victim of theft?

Because the majority don't want guns, but the are a protected right. Therefore, the state is going to regulate them to then extent the courts will let them

Take a look at gun sales over the past few years. Gun owners are a diverse lot and more people have guns in the home than not. So it is now the minority of households that don’t want guns.