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Total hoax. Russia,China and Nordic countries set all time cold December records. Ice density gained in the Antarctic over the last ten years. Deaths by freezing outnumber deaths by warmth 9-1.

At the global level, 2023 was the hottest on record, both in terms of air temperature measured just about the surface of the earth, and sea-surface temperature. With respect to particular locations, only a tiny % of the earth's total surface experienced cooler-than-normal temperatures in 2023. Most of the earth's surface was at least one standard deviation above historic norms (using 1960 to 2022 as the reference period).

With respect to Russia and China -- large sections of these countries experienced record-high annual average temperatures in 2023. With respect to Nordic countries, they were around the 60th percentile of historic temperature norms.

The global average temperature trend is about 0.33F per decade across the 1960 to 2023 period, with a 95% confidence interval running from 0.29F to 0.36F. If we focus solely on land areas (and exclude oceans), the trend is about 0.5F per decade, with a 95% confidence interval from 0.45F to 0.55F. Across a 100-year period, this translates into a 5F increase.

The data is quite convincing. There are a variety of temperature datasets, and it doesn't matter which of these datasets you use -- they all tell the same story of rapid global warming.

I also agree that climate change is real and that human activity is contributing to that change.

Generally, I support solar and wind power. And programs that promote recycling and using less.

But the trajectory is clear that no matter the amount of personal changes we make, the planet will get warmer. So I think what we need to focus attention on is the infrastructure changes needed to adapt to a warmer earth.

I also think some things being pushed like electric cars are questionable - the batteries to make these cars run are created from lithium, cobalt, bauxite and other minerals which are mined, processed, shipped and refined. In other words, there are unintended consequences from some of the initiatives pushed by climate activists. Another example: in my town there is a proposal to clear cut acres of mature trees to install a solar farm. Is that really better for the environment?

OP-I agree that climate change is very much real and things are looking grim. But pointing out a random hot day in January to make your point is not the way to go. Just follow the climate scientists.

Anonymous wrote:What’s to deny. Earth has been hotter than now and colder than now. Earth does not have a static climate. Do humans impact climate, yes.

Close the southern border. It might help with the temperature.

And it was inhabitable for humans then. I don’t know why you guys think this is a winning argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

These temperature swings have happened for centuries. Get over it.

Geez OP, CO2 levels have changed for centuries. Get over it.

As in, geologic time scales of tens and thousands of years.



The extremes that currently exist have never before been seen in the entire history of modern man.

What could man and the industrial revolution possibly have anything to do with it?



Everything.

Sure. So what. It has nothing to do with the weather we had.

Yes humans are badly impacting climate. But the red alert from the left is off. And even if it was not it is not like we are going to do anything real about it for the next 50 years.

It has everything to do with the weather we've had. We should have started transitioning to alternatives 50 years ago. And not doing anything for 50 more years will result in more coastal towns being devastated by hurricanes, while other areas face worsening droughts and desertification, it will drive even more migrants as people become displaced around the world, that will cause more wars... It's a massive set of cascading consequences that you've obviously not even begun to consider. And it's already happening.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

These temperature swings have happened for centuries. Get over it.

Geez OP, CO2 levels have changed for centuries. Get over it.

As in, geologic time scales of tens and thousands of years.



The extremes that currently exist have never before been seen in the entire history of modern man.

What could man and the industrial revolution possibly have anything to do with it?



Everything.

Sure. So what. It has nothing to do with the weather we had.

Yes humans are badly impacting climate. But the red alert from the left is off. And even if it was not it is not like we are going to do anything real about it for the next 50 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

These temperature swings have happened for centuries. Get over it.

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How idiotic. OP is probably one of the twits who lectures, "Weather is not the same thing as climate!!"

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Definitely. Because that’s exactly what she’d be bleating if it were 45 degrees in July - “weather doesn’t equal climate!”


Except of course, when they say it does.

How idiotic, to reply to your own posts. 🤡

And all the more idiotic for completely denying the actual data and science.

Why do you hate plants and trees?

pLAnTS aND TreEs LikE CaRBoN!!!

Except climate change is disastrous and extremely costly to humans. Maybe you are a sentient potted plant (sure seems that way with the idiotic posts you keep making) but the rest of us are humans.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

These temperature swings have happened for centuries. Get over it.

+1
How idiotic. OP is probably one of the twits who lectures, "Weather is not the same thing as climate!!"

+2

Definitely. Because that’s exactly what she’d be bleating if it were 45 degrees in July - “weather doesn’t equal climate!”


Except of course, when they say it does.

How idiotic, to reply to your own posts. 🤡

And all the more idiotic for completely denying the actual data and science.

Why do you hate plants and trees?

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

These temperature swings have happened for centuries. Get over it.

+1
How idiotic. OP is probably one of the twits who lectures, "Weather is not the same thing as climate!!"

+2

Definitely. Because that’s exactly what she’d be bleating if it were 45 degrees in July - “weather doesn’t equal climate!”


Except of course, when they say it does.

How idiotic, to reply to your own posts. 🤡

And all the more idiotic for completely denying the actual data and science.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

These temperature swings have happened for centuries. Get over it.

+1
How idiotic. OP is probably one of the twits who lectures, "Weather is not the same thing as climate!!"

+2

Definitely. Because that’s exactly what she’d be bleating if it were 45 degrees in July - “weather doesn’t equal climate!”


Except of course, when they say it does.

Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

These temperature swings have happened for centuries. Get over it.

+1
How idiotic. OP is probably one of the twits who lectures, "Weather is not the same thing as climate!!"

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Anonymous wrote:What’s to deny. Earth has been hotter than now and colder than now. Earth does not have a static climate. Do humans impact climate, yes.

Close the southern border. It might help with the temperature.

YOU WIN the award for the utterly stupidest and most irrelevant response of the day! Congratulations!

It is very reasonable. Per capita emissions are much higher in America than in other countries. Letting in millions of immigrants increases CO2 emissions by tens of millions of tons of CO2 per year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

What a wild leap. What wacky argument are you going to make next, that we should not have gun control because gun violence and mass shootings are good for the environment because they reduce the human population?

We should not have gun control because of these words in the 2nd amendment “shall not be infringed”.

One decent sized volcanic eruption and the earth will have reversed all that man has done to it in the last couple hundred years.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s to deny. Earth has been hotter than now and colder than now. Earth does not have a static climate. Do humans impact climate, yes.

Close the southern border. It might help with the temperature.

YOU WIN the award for the utterly stupidest and most irrelevant response of the day! Congratulations!

It is very reasonable. Per capita emissions are much higher in America than in other countries. Letting in millions of immigrants increases CO2 emissions by tens of millions of tons of CO2 per year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

What a wild leap. What wacky argument are you going to make next, that we should not have gun control because gun violence and mass shootings are good for the environment because they reduce the human population?

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Anonymous wrote:What’s to deny. Earth has been hotter than now and colder than now. Earth does not have a static climate. Do humans impact climate, yes.

Close the southern border. It might help with the temperature.

YOU WIN the award for the utterly stupidest and most irrelevant response of the day! Congratulations!

It is very reasonable. Per capita emissions are much higher in America than in other countries. Letting in millions of immigrants increases CO2 emissions by tens of millions of tons of CO2 per year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

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Anonymous wrote:https://wjla.com/amp/weather/first-alert-weather-blog/dc-virginia-maryland-summer-average-weather-climate-2023-cooler-wetter-heat-humidity-dmv-forecast-records-normal-dry-hot-rain-rainfall

Summer 2023 was cooler and wetter than normal.

2023 was the world’s warmest year on record, by far

https://www.noaa.gov/news/2023-was-worlds-warmest-year-on-record-by-far#:~:text=Earth's%20average%20land%20and%20ocean,0.15%20of%20a%20degree%20C).

Yes, humans have been tracking temperature since about 1850. So over that period warmest so far.

It was warmer for the dinosaurs, so not the world’s warmest year ever, and colder for the woolly mammoth. The earth’s climate changes over long periods of time. Ever hear of the Milankovitch cycles? NASA has - https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/#:~:text=The%20Milankovitch%20cycles%20include%3A,is%20pointed%2C%20known%20as%20precession.

It's funny to hear climate deniers throw things like Milankovich cycles out there and "oh but climate change happens all the time" as if it's some kind of gotcha and they are somehow more clever and ahead of the rest of us. But they aren't.

Yes, OF COURSE NASA knows about Milankovich cycles. And climate scientists know about that, about sulfur from volcanoes and many many other things. Climate scientists have long known about dozens and dozens of factors driving climate change, to include Milankovich cycles and other orbital effects and those have been part of climate models for many many years. But even accounting for all of those, the single biggest driver of warming is in fact human activity.

Several years back Bloomberg put together a simplified, but very effective illustration of that:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/