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Anonymous wrote:It’s a matter of degree. It’s good to ask doctors questions and get more than one opinion. It’s idiotic to think that Google is providing you with the same expertise as someone with an MD. Every “do your own research” person goes running to the doctor in the end.

No one was suggesting internet research IN PLACE OF a medical visit. Just to help inform it.

Hard disagree. If that's the way you feel, please don't seek medical care from a doctor. Ever.

Now you are just trolling. You never read up on the conditions you have? Or to help you ask the right questions? WTF

That's not what the posters in this thread have in mind.

but pp said "info to help inform the visit" and response was "HARD DISAGREE"

Read the rest of this thread. As any provider will tell you, any patient that says "I know my body" is a red flag. Right up there with someone coming into the ER claiming to have allergies to first-line pain medications.

A red flag warning against what? Contempt of doc? Your fragile ego is a liability, and an impediment to good care.

Think about who is demonstrating an ego in this thread. And who has years of training and experience versus who has... Google.

That you don't understand how you're telling on yourself, on this thread, would be entertaining if it wasn't so dangerous.

The contempt for their patients is the most dangerous, imo.

Seriously. If you're going to belittle them, reject their input, and treat them like a number, you're dehumanizing them. If you're not going to try to help the actual human you're hired to help, wtf are you doing in that line of work?

No one is making you see a doctor.

What is the point of a doctor if not to CARE for the sick?

Anonymous wrote:There’s nothing wrong with trying to educate yourself on your health and recognizing that doctors don’t know everything.

The problem is that there are a lot of people out there who believe that what doctors learn in med school is the same material that they read online. So if you can read, you know as much as a doctor.

But I know my body!!!

I am a farmer and I don’t see a lot of doctors. I find that when I have a health concern, it is easier for me to say “hey when I see this in a cow, the vet says it is XYZ” and it doesn’t threaten them as much. I make sure to say “but I’m not a cow! What do you think?”

It’s an odd functionality. At present I have a pretty bad diagnosis I can’t blame on farm animals, and I am finding it a lot harder to get good treatment. My GP obviously knows much less than I do now about my condition, I just want referred to the right neurosurgeon. I am lucky I have top medical connections and don’t really need him.

There’s nothing wrong with trying to educate yourself on your health and recognizing that doctors don’t know everything.

The problem is that there are a lot of people out there who believe that what doctors learn in med school is the same material that they read online. So if you can read, you know as much as a doctor.

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Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Well, some are. Some doctors are bad at their jobs. Some are horrible human beings. But that doesn't change the fact that many of the posters in this thread are incapable of thinking rationally about their own health conditions.

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

You might want to investigate a physician in functional medicine who has a more whole systems approach. Also, from my own recent experience with two radiologists in the same practice... the first, a woman, unbelievably dismissive and judge-y; the second, a man who I saw for a follow up because the first was not avail and I wanted the first available appointment, was one of the kindest I have ever seen. He explained everything to minute detail, waited in the room with me to make sure I was okay, was competent but not clinical during the procedure. The nurse and he had an excellent rapport. I was not rushed, dismissed and did not get a single eye roll like in the first instance. I think it is person to person. If you don't like your doctor, just find a new one. I never actually thought about it this way before until I had such different experiences. (I am also the child of two doctors, so I know the type )

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Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

https://www.healthline.com/health/can-tonsils-grow-back
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/can-your-tonsils-grow-back

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https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ask-the-expert/babies-children/a9591/tonsillitis-without-any-tonsils/

Now that your grandson has had his tonsils taken out he cannot get a 'true' tonsillitis, but the beds of tissue at the back of his throat from where his tonsils were removed could still become infected and that may be what his doctor is referring to now.

I had strep, which is why I booked the appointment, and said as much, because both my kids had recently had strep and I knew both my body and what my experience was. After being told it was tonsillitis I should gargle some salt water for, I went to an urgent care and got a rapid strep and abx.

But keep digging, doc.

https://www.healthline.com/health/tonsillitis-vs-strep-throat

"Strep throat is a type of tonsillitis."

I'm not sure it's the doctors that can't back down when they're wrong here ...

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Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

https://www.healthline.com/health/can-tonsils-grow-back
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/can-your-tonsils-grow-back

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https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ask-the-expert/babies-children/a9591/tonsillitis-without-any-tonsils/

Now that your grandson has had his tonsils taken out he cannot get a 'true' tonsillitis, but the beds of tissue at the back of his throat from where his tonsils were removed could still become infected and that may be what his doctor is referring to now.

I had strep, which is why I booked the appointment, and said as much, because both my kids had recently had strep and I knew both my body and what my experience was. After being told it was tonsillitis I should gargle some salt water for, I went to an urgent care and got a rapid strep and abx.

But keep digging, doc.

... what kind of strep infection did you think you had, if not strep pharyngitis?

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Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

https://www.healthline.com/health/can-tonsils-grow-back
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/can-your-tonsils-grow-back

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https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ask-the-expert/babies-children/a9591/tonsillitis-without-any-tonsils/

Now that your grandson has had his tonsils taken out he cannot get a 'true' tonsillitis, but the beds of tissue at the back of his throat from where his tonsils were removed could still become infected and that may be what his doctor is referring to now.

haha, I guess Doc feels proud he finally got one right on this thread. But most of us lay folks already knew that...was even in the Seinfeld episode when George had his tonsils out.

Not the same person -- that was my first post on this thread. But most of us already know that there can be multiple people posting.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed you ever did.

-works in healthcare

Honest Qs: why do you stay in such a trash industry, knowing it's trash? How does that impact your mental health? Is the money worth it?

So are you suggesting that because the US healthcare industry is problematic those of us working in healthcare should leave it? I'm an RN and money was certainly not the #1 reason why I went into the field. What industry meets your criteria as not being "trash?" I am not the PP but I stay in healthcare because this is what I spent money and time training to do and because I genuinely like helping people.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a matter of degree. It’s good to ask doctors questions and get more than one opinion. It’s idiotic to think that Google is providing you with the same expertise as someone with an MD. Every “do your own research” person goes running to the doctor in the end.

No one was suggesting internet research IN PLACE OF a medical visit. Just to help inform it.

Hard disagree. If that's the way you feel, please don't seek medical care from a doctor. Ever.

Now you are just trolling. You never read up on the conditions you have? Or to help you ask the right questions? WTF

That's not what the posters in this thread have in mind.

but pp said "info to help inform the visit" and response was "HARD DISAGREE"

Read the rest of this thread. As any provider will tell you, any patient that says "I know my body" is a red flag. Right up there with someone coming into the ER claiming to have allergies to first-line pain medications.

A red flag warning against what? Contempt of doc? Your fragile ego is a liability, and an impediment to good care.

Think about who is demonstrating an ego in this thread. And who has years of training and experience versus who has... Google.

That you don't understand how you're telling on yourself, on this thread, would be entertaining if it wasn't so dangerous.

The contempt for their patients is the most dangerous, imo.

Seriously. If you're going to belittle them, reject their input, and treat them like a number, you're dehumanizing them. If you're not going to try to help the actual human you're hired to help, wtf are you doing in that line of work?

No one is making you see a doctor.

I come from a medical family and have a lot of respect for doctors. I generally do trust them. But they also tend to listen to and respect me when I tell them about my medical issues. As with everything, some people are more privileged than others, and this is one area where I actually have some privilege. I know if I was a different kind of person who communicated in a different way, they’d be more likely to dismiss my feelings.

All that said, I’ve had a couple of experiences of doctors not having a clue what they’re talking about, like one psychopharmacologist telling me he’s never heard of an SSRI affecting libido. I’m pretty sure everyone knows that it’s a common side effect.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a matter of degree. It’s good to ask doctors questions and get more than one opinion. It’s idiotic to think that Google is providing you with the same expertise as someone with an MD. Every “do your own research” person goes running to the doctor in the end.

No one was suggesting internet research IN PLACE OF a medical visit. Just to help inform it.

Hard disagree. If that's the way you feel, please don't seek medical care from a doctor. Ever.

Now you are just trolling. You never read up on the conditions you have? Or to help you ask the right questions? WTF

That's not what the posters in this thread have in mind.

but pp said "info to help inform the visit" and response was "HARD DISAGREE"

Read the rest of this thread. As any provider will tell you, any patient that says "I know my body" is a red flag. Right up there with someone coming into the ER claiming to have allergies to first-line pain medications.

A red flag warning against what? Contempt of doc? Your fragile ego is a liability, and an impediment to good care.

Think about who is demonstrating an ego in this thread. And who has years of training and experience versus who has... Google.

That you don't understand how you're telling on yourself, on this thread, would be entertaining if it wasn't so dangerous.

The contempt for their patients is the most dangerous, imo.

Seriously. If you're going to belittle them, reject their input, and treat them like a number, you're dehumanizing them. If you're not going to try to help the actual human you're hired to help, wtf are you doing in that line of work?

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Anonymous wrote:I used to go annually, do all the checkups, jump through all the hoops, but several years of terrible care and blatantly incompetent clinicians (e.g. diagnosed me with "tonsillitis" in the tonsils I had removed when I was 8), and I just can't trust them anymore. I've also been abused by doctors who had a poor sense of boundaries, including being stalked by a doctor. I now get horribly nervous even thinking about going to the doctor, and my general health is suffering.

How am I supposed to get over this? I still have a body, and it's still going to need care!

https://www.healthline.com/health/can-tonsils-grow-back
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/can-your-tonsils-grow-back

Also
https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ask-the-expert/babies-children/a9591/tonsillitis-without-any-tonsils/

Now that your grandson has had his tonsils taken out he cannot get a 'true' tonsillitis, but the beds of tissue at the back of his throat from where his tonsils were removed could still become infected and that may be what his doctor is referring to now.

I had strep, which is why I booked the appointment, and said as much, because both my kids had recently had strep and I knew both my body and what my experience was. After being told it was tonsillitis I should gargle some salt water for, I went to an urgent care and got a rapid strep and abx.

But keep digging, doc.