Anonymous
01/01/2024 19:23
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
That’s just not a good attitude about anything, but they are targets, I think.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Conn, Trinity, Union, Gettysburg, Dickinson, St. Lawrence, Franklin & Marshall.
These are all legit targets or moderately reachy schools.
I cannot imagine a full pay male with SATs north of 1450 having the least but of trouble getting into any of these schools ED.
Anonymous
01/01/2024 18:49
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Conn, Trinity, Union, Gettysburg, Dickinson, St. Lawrence, Franklin & Marshall.
These are all legit targets or moderately reachy schools.
I cannot imagine a full pay male with SATs north of 1450 having the least but of trouble getting into any of these schools ED.
Anonymous
01/01/2024 17:49
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Conn, Trinity, Union, Gettysburg, Dickinson, St. Lawrence, Franklin & Marshall.
These are all legit targets or moderately reachy schools.
Anonymous
01/01/2024 17:29
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna, Colby, Bates, Wesleyan or Midd would be great ED candidates. Really spend time on the essays — that will help offset the GPA.
When did you graduate college or when did your last kid graduate college as this suggestion seems woefully out of touch?
Last cycle — class of 2027. Appreciate your kindness.
It just doesn't jive. OP's son is a middle-of-the-road candidate at a public school--there are hundreds of thousands of students with better stats than he has. These schools you list have a few thousand spots total. Why would they take OP's kid? Honest question.
I think OP is facing the harsh disconnect between what he wants for his kid and what his kid can realistically aspire to.
Many parents are in this boat.
OP here- not facing a disconnect, just want to know where he might be able to get in. You clearly need superb grades, highest rigor and test scores to have a good shot at a top 20 SLAC nowadays. That’s ok, because I really don’t think it matters. A slightly more prestigious degree could be helpful for career purposes but our innate ability and hard work are what ultimately determine success, not whether we went to Davidson or Denison (99 pct of people never heard of either).
Then why are you asking? I don’t mean this as judgy but curious at why you are inquiring then.
Huh? I was just asking to understand what schools were possible for my kid given this profile. It’s like saying, I’ve got a million dollar budget, what kind of house can I get in a particular town? Just looking for “market insight” I guess.
I asked because there seemed to be a contradiction in your comments across the thread. At first, I read it as your genuine interest with a DC possibly wanting what many perceive as a more prestigious school. As the thread unfolded, it seemed as if that were still the case, then the end basically felt as if you were saying, "oh, knew he wouldn't go and it doesn't really matter where you go." FWIW, I largely believe that saying though know that there are real payoffs, financial being just one, for kids from a lower SES background attending elite institutions.
So that's why I was asking - the thread seemed headed in one direction - "what will the market bear? - then tacked to "it doesn't matter."
GL to your DC!
I was more reacting to the comment that my question was indicative of some kind of disconnect in expectations or worse a sense of despair. I just wanted to gauge where he could realistically get admitted so we know where to focus. It obviously matters but it’s not life or death, I guess is the point. More prestige is better than less just as more money is better than less (if only for financial reasons as Woody Allen said)
Anonymous
01/01/2024 16:13
Subject: Re:SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Vassar, Conn, Carleton, Trinity, Whitman, Holy Cross, Sewanee, Reed, Oberlin, Kenyon, Macalester, Bucknell. Hobart, F&M, Denison, St Olaf
Anonymous
01/01/2024 16:10
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna, Colby, Bates, Wesleyan or Midd would be great ED candidates. Really spend time on the essays — that will help offset the GPA.
When did you graduate college or when did your last kid graduate college as this suggestion seems woefully out of touch?
Last cycle — class of 2027. Appreciate your kindness.
It just doesn't jive. OP's son is a middle-of-the-road candidate at a public school--there are hundreds of thousands of students with better stats than he has. These schools you list have a few thousand spots total. Why would they take OP's kid? Honest question.
I think OP is facing the harsh disconnect between what he wants for his kid and what his kid can realistically aspire to.
Many parents are in this boat.
OP here- not facing a disconnect, just want to know where he might be able to get in. You clearly need superb grades, highest rigor and test scores to have a good shot at a top 20 SLAC nowadays. That’s ok, because I really don’t think it matters. A slightly more prestigious degree could be helpful for career purposes but our innate ability and hard work are what ultimately determine success, not whether we went to Davidson or Denison (99 pct of people never heard of either).
Then why are you asking? I don’t mean this as judgy but curious at why you are inquiring then.
Huh? I was just asking to understand what schools were possible for my kid given this profile. It’s like saying, I’ve got a million dollar budget, what kind of house can I get in a particular town? Just looking for “market insight” I guess.
I asked because there seemed to be a contradiction in your comments across the thread. At first, I read it as your genuine interest with a DC possibly wanting what many perceive as a more prestigious school. As the thread unfolded, it seemed as if that were still the case, then the end basically felt as if you were saying, "oh, knew he wouldn't go and it doesn't really matter where you go." FWIW, I largely believe that saying though know that there are real payoffs, financial being just one, for kids from a lower SES background attending elite institutions.
So that's why I was asking - the thread seemed headed in one direction - "what will the market bear? - then tacked to "it doesn't matter."
GL to your DC!
Anonymous
01/01/2024 15:27
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna, Colby, Bates, Wesleyan or Midd would be great ED candidates. Really spend time on the essays — that will help offset the GPA.
When did you graduate college or when did your last kid graduate college as this suggestion seems woefully out of touch?
Last cycle — class of 2027. Appreciate your kindness.
It just doesn't jive. OP's son is a middle-of-the-road candidate at a public school--there are hundreds of thousands of students with better stats than he has. These schools you list have a few thousand spots total. Why would they take OP's kid? Honest question.
I think OP is facing the harsh disconnect between what he wants for his kid and what his kid can realistically aspire to.
Many parents are in this boat.
OP here- not facing a disconnect, just want to know where he might be able to get in. You clearly need superb grades, highest rigor and test scores to have a good shot at a top 20 SLAC nowadays. That’s ok, because I really don’t think it matters. A slightly more prestigious degree could be helpful for career purposes but our innate ability and hard work are what ultimately determine success, not whether we went to Davidson or Denison (99 pct of people never heard of either).
Then why are you asking? I don’t mean this as judgy but curious at why you are inquiring then.
Huh? I was just asking to understand what schools were possible for my kid given this profile. It’s like saying, I’ve got a million dollar budget, what kind of house can I get in a particular town? Just looking for “market insight” I guess.
OP again- to clarify - it’s not that I think attending a more prestigious/selective school isn’t desirable, I am just saying the there is no “harsh disconnect.” Would I love my kid to go to HYP? Sure. Or failing that Midd? Yeah sure. Ok failing that Lafayette? Ok sure. I do think attending a school with a strong reputation is valuable, and the stronger the better. But it’s not like I feel my kid’s future fundamentally hinges on this. It fundamentally hinges on his own innate ability (with intellect just one, potentially small, component) and most of all his level of determination.
Anonymous
01/01/2024 15:18
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna, Colby, Bates, Wesleyan or Midd would be great ED candidates. Really spend time on the essays — that will help offset the GPA.
When did you graduate college or when did your last kid graduate college as this suggestion seems woefully out of touch?
Last cycle — class of 2027. Appreciate your kindness.
It just doesn't jive. OP's son is a middle-of-the-road candidate at a public school--there are hundreds of thousands of students with better stats than he has. These schools you list have a few thousand spots total. Why would they take OP's kid? Honest question.
I think OP is facing the harsh disconnect between what he wants for his kid and what his kid can realistically aspire to.
Many parents are in this boat.
OP here- not facing a disconnect, just want to know where he might be able to get in. You clearly need superb grades, highest rigor and test scores to have a good shot at a top 20 SLAC nowadays. That’s ok, because I really don’t think it matters. A slightly more prestigious degree could be helpful for career purposes but our innate ability and hard work are what ultimately determine success, not whether we went to Davidson or Denison (99 pct of people never heard of either).
Then why are you asking? I don’t mean this as judgy but curious at why you are inquiring then.
Huh? I was just asking to understand what schools were possible for my kid given this profile. It’s like saying, I’ve got a million dollar budget, what kind of house can I get in a particular town? Just looking for “market insight” I guess.
Anonymous
01/01/2024 14:45
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna, Colby, Bates, Wesleyan or Midd would be great ED candidates. Really spend time on the essays — that will help offset the GPA.
When did you graduate college or when did your last kid graduate college as this suggestion seems woefully out of touch?
Last cycle — class of 2027. Appreciate your kindness.
It just doesn't jive. OP's son is a middle-of-the-road candidate at a public school--there are hundreds of thousands of students with better stats than he has. These schools you list have a few thousand spots total. Why would they take OP's kid? Honest question.
I think OP is facing the harsh disconnect between what he wants for his kid and what his kid can realistically aspire to.
Many parents are in this boat.
OP here- not facing a disconnect, just want to know where he might be able to get in. You clearly need superb grades, highest rigor and test scores to have a good shot at a top 20 SLAC nowadays. That’s ok, because I really don’t think it matters. A slightly more prestigious degree could be helpful for career purposes but our innate ability and hard work are what ultimately determine success, not whether we went to Davidson or Denison (99 pct of people never heard of either).
Then why are you asking? I don’t mean this as judgy but curious at why you are inquiring then.
Anonymous
01/01/2024 14:42
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna, Colby, Bates, Wesleyan or Midd would be great ED candidates. Really spend time on the essays — that will help offset the GPA.
When did you graduate college or when did your last kid graduate college as this suggestion seems woefully out of touch?
Last cycle — class of 2027. Appreciate your kindness.
It just doesn't jive. OP's son is a middle-of-the-road candidate at a public school--there are hundreds of thousands of students with better stats than he has. These schools you list have a few thousand spots total. Why would they take OP's kid? Honest question.
I think OP is facing the harsh disconnect between what he wants for his kid and what his kid can realistically aspire to.
Many parents are in this boat.
OP here- not facing a disconnect, just want to know where he might be able to get in. You clearly need superb grades, highest rigor and test scores to have a good shot at a top 20 SLAC nowadays. That’s ok, because I really don’t think it matters. A slightly more prestigious degree could be helpful for career purposes but our innate ability and hard work are what ultimately determine success, not whether we went to Davidson or Denison (99 pct of people never heard of either).
Anonymous
01/01/2024 14:24
Subject: Re:SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://money.com/colleges-men-higher-acceptance-rate/
The above is a list of colleges (most are SLACs) where being male boosts your chances, OP. Might want to check them out and see if any are of interest to your son.
Article from 2013?
It's 2024.
Happy new year.
While the article is a decade old, my understanding is that this split is even greater now. I have 2 DCS who graduated in last few years, including a DS, and CCO discussed this with us as DS fits some but not all of the profile OP has sketched of their DC.
Anonymous
01/01/2024 14:10
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna, Colby, Bates, Wesleyan or Midd would be great ED candidates. Really spend time on the essays — that will help offset the GPA.
When did you graduate college or when did your last kid graduate college as this suggestion seems woefully out of touch?
Last cycle — class of 2027. Appreciate your kindness.
It's not being kind to mislead OP, even if unintentional or based on faulty info. Your suggestion that many of those schools would be great ED candidates are not realistic, not at all. Maybe Bates, maybe Pitzer, but the rest of the list seem truly off base. Our DCs are HS '21 and '22 at a regarded independent and those schools would not work ED for a student with a mix of As/Bs in classes of good, not great, rigor.
Pitzer enrolls 250 students per year. You're telling me that they can't find 250 students with better stats than OP's kid?
It's just not realistic.
Yes, perhaps if he was coming from a "name brand" school like Thomas Jefferson or Exeter or Sidwell. But not some random public.
So I'm off on Pitzer. The rest pretty much holds.
Multiple posters including me have said this is a deeply out of touch list.
Anonymous
01/01/2024 13:55
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna, Colby, Bates, Wesleyan or Midd would be great ED candidates. Really spend time on the essays — that will help offset the GPA.
When did you graduate college or when did your last kid graduate college as this suggestion seems woefully out of touch?
Last cycle — class of 2027. Appreciate your kindness.
It's not being kind to mislead OP, even if unintentional or based on faulty info. Your suggestion that many of those schools would be great ED candidates are not realistic, not at all. Maybe Bates, maybe Pitzer, but the rest of the list seem truly off base. Our DCs are HS '21 and '22 at a regarded independent and those schools would not work ED for a student with a mix of As/Bs in classes of good, not great, rigor.
Pitzer enrolls 250 students per year. You're telling me that they can't find 250 students with better stats than OP's kid?
It's just not realistic.
Yes, perhaps if he was coming from a "name brand" school like Thomas Jefferson or Exeter or Sidwell. But not some random public.
So I'm off on Pitzer. The rest pretty much holds.
Anonymous
01/01/2024 13:50
Subject: SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna, Colby, Bates, Wesleyan or Midd would be great ED candidates. Really spend time on the essays — that will help offset the GPA.
When did you graduate college or when did your last kid graduate college as this suggestion seems woefully out of touch?
Last cycle — class of 2027. Appreciate your kindness.
It's not being kind to mislead OP, even if unintentional or based on faulty info. Your suggestion that many of those schools would be great ED candidates are not realistic, not at all. Maybe Bates, maybe Pitzer, but the rest of the list seem truly off base. Our DCs are HS '21 and '22 at a regarded independent and those schools would not work ED for a student with a mix of As/Bs in classes of good, not great, rigor.
Pitzer enrolls 250 students per year. You're telling me that they can't find 250 students with better stats than OP's kid?
It's just not realistic.
Yes, perhaps if he was coming from a "name brand" school like Thomas Jefferson or Exeter or Sidwell. But not some random public.
Anonymous
01/01/2024 13:44
Subject: Re:SLAC suggestions for FP male As and Bs, good rigor, 1450-1500
Anonymous wrote:https://money.com/colleges-men-higher-acceptance-rate/
The above is a list of colleges (most are SLACs) where being male boosts your chances, OP. Might want to check them out and see if any are of interest to your son.
Article from 2013?
It's 2024.
Happy new year.