Anonymous
12/31/2023 11:37
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:Has anyone here actually been to Navy Yard recently?
I don't think the Nats are likely to leave unless the crime makes a serious turn and the area starts bleeding retail, which has not happened. The abrupt closure of the Lululemon indicates that location had other issues, unrelated to crime -- it is not typical for a chain store like that to leave after a single crime incident. Chains generally have a formula to help the evaluate locations and I would bet that after the recent incident, they looked at overall sales and other factors and decided it didn't make sense anymore.
There continues to be a ton of new development in the area. I work in real estate and recently toured two huge new buildings down there, one mostly completed and another still under construction. High end units with views of the river and incredible amenities. While there we walked around and there are so many new places even since the last time I was there. The retail near the stadium is mostly full with mid and high end retail and restaurants. Even in midwinter with baseball out of season, coffee shops and restaurants were busy. The established apartment buildings in the neighborhood are at high capacity, and when you look at what is vacant in them, it's mostly the very high end units that are very hard to lease anyway (like penthouses with views that lease for upwards of 6k a month). The parks were busy even with bad weather, with people out with dogs and exercising.
I get there are crime issues, but unless there is a major exodus of tenants, I can't imagine the Nationals thinking they can do better elsewhere. That neighborhood was nothing 10 years ago. It grew up around the stadium and now it's one of the most lively neighborhoods in the city in terms of the retail/restaurant scene. Only the Wharf beats it on this front and the Wharf is still much smaller (and also has crime issues).
I think in the next 5 years we're going to see a concerted effort by development groups to force the city to address the issues with crime and infrastructure. We just need a receptive and competent mayor (Bowser is receptive but incompetent, she needs to go). The council honestly doesn't matter much -- they are relatively toothless and I actually think many of them will lose their jobs in the next election because they are also, mostly, terrible at politics.
Things aren't as dire as people act like they are. Absolutely some stuff has to change. Getting a new mayor will be huge. 15 years is a long time and I really doubt things will look worse at that point than they do now, especially in Navy Yard. There's too much money invested, and too much potential upside. This city is full of rich people and overall trends are toward people moving into cities, not out.
You have an extremely dated view of the back to the city movement that was driven by the bulge in millennials. The growth in urban areas peaked in the early 2010s.
Anonymous
12/31/2023 11:27
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread proves that none of you doom posters know what you're talking about. The MLB would NEVER allow the Os to move, please shut up.
Nats aren't leaving either. You all really wanna see DC fail, why is that.
Because it's full of black people
Nothing screams low IQ like screaming racism any time someone criticizes local politicians.
Anonymous
12/31/2023 09:20
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:This thread proves that none of you doom posters know what you're talking about. The MLB would NEVER allow the Os to move, please shut up.
Nats aren't leaving either. You all really wanna see DC fail, why is that.
Because it's full of black people
Anonymous
12/30/2023 15:51
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
This thread proves that none of you doom posters know what you're talking about. The MLB would NEVER allow the Os to move, please shut up.
Nats aren't leaving either. You all really wanna see DC fail, why is that.
Nats aren't leaving either. You all really wanna see DC fail, why is that.
Anonymous
12/30/2023 12:21
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Has anyone in here actually been to Navy Yard recently?
I don't think the Nats are likely to leave unless the crime makes a serious turn and the area starts bleeding retail, which has not happened. The abrupt closure of the Lululemon indicates that location had other issues, unrelated to crime -- it is not typical for a chain store like that to leave after a single crime incident. Chains generally have a formula to help the evaluate locations and I would bet that after the recent incident, they looked at overall sales and other factors and decided it didn't make sense anymore.
There continues to be a ton of new development in the area. I work in real estate and recently toured two huge new buildings down there, one mostly completed and another still under construction. High end units with views of the river and incredible amenities. While there we walked around and there are so many new places even since the last time I was there. The retail near the stadium is mostly full with mid and high end retail and restaurants. Even in midwinter with baseball out of season, coffee shops and restaurants were busy. The established apartment buildings in the neighborhood are at high capacity, and when you look at what is vacant in them, it's mostly the very high end units that are very hard to lease anyway (like penthouses with views that lease for upwards of 6k a month). The parks were busy even with bad weather, with people out with dogs and exercising.
I get there are crime issues, but unless there is a major exodus of tenants, I can't imagine the Nationals thinking they can do better elsewhere. That neighborhood was nothing 10 years ago. It grew up around the stadium and now it's one of the most lively neighborhoods in the city in terms of the retail/restaurant scene. Only the Wharf beats it on this front and the Wharf is still much smaller (and also has crime issues).
I think in the next 5 years we're going to see a concerted effort by development groups to force the city to address the issues with crime and infrastructure. We just need a receptive and competent mayor (Bowser is receptive but incompetent, she needs to go). The council honestly doesn't matter much -- they are relatively toothless and I actually think many of them will lose their jobs in the next election because they are also, mostly, terrible at politics.
Things aren't as dire as people act like they are. Absolutely some stuff has to change. Getting a new mayor will be huge. 15 years is a long time and I really doubt things will look worse at that point than they do now, especially in Navy Yard. There's too much money invested, and too much potential upside. This city is full of rich people and overall trends are toward people moving into cities, not out.
You have a much more optimistic about the ability to rein in crime. Even a decline in 2024 will mean nothing if it doesn’t get below the 2020 baseline.
I mean, this is just untrue. A decline in 2024 is meaningful if people feel the city is moving in the right direction and that crime will continue to decline. Especially when talking about economic investment, trend directions ore important.
An uptick in 2024 would be pretty devastating. But even a modest decline will encourage investment, especially if it includes a drop off in property crimes involving retail stores and if businesses feel the city is working to protect and help them.
Anonymous
12/30/2023 12:02
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:Has anyone in here actually been to Navy Yard recently?
I don't think the Nats are likely to leave unless the crime makes a serious turn and the area starts bleeding retail, which has not happened. The abrupt closure of the Lululemon indicates that location had other issues, unrelated to crime -- it is not typical for a chain store like that to leave after a single crime incident. Chains generally have a formula to help the evaluate locations and I would bet that after the recent incident, they looked at overall sales and other factors and decided it didn't make sense anymore.
There continues to be a ton of new development in the area. I work in real estate and recently toured two huge new buildings down there, one mostly completed and another still under construction. High end units with views of the river and incredible amenities. While there we walked around and there are so many new places even since the last time I was there. The retail near the stadium is mostly full with mid and high end retail and restaurants. Even in midwinter with baseball out of season, coffee shops and restaurants were busy. The established apartment buildings in the neighborhood are at high capacity, and when you look at what is vacant in them, it's mostly the very high end units that are very hard to lease anyway (like penthouses with views that lease for upwards of 6k a month). The parks were busy even with bad weather, with people out with dogs and exercising.
I get there are crime issues, but unless there is a major exodus of tenants, I can't imagine the Nationals thinking they can do better elsewhere. That neighborhood was nothing 10 years ago. It grew up around the stadium and now it's one of the most lively neighborhoods in the city in terms of the retail/restaurant scene. Only the Wharf beats it on this front and the Wharf is still much smaller (and also has crime issues).
I think in the next 5 years we're going to see a concerted effort by development groups to force the city to address the issues with crime and infrastructure. We just need a receptive and competent mayor (Bowser is receptive but incompetent, she needs to go). The council honestly doesn't matter much -- they are relatively toothless and I actually think many of them will lose their jobs in the next election because they are also, mostly, terrible at politics.
Things aren't as dire as people act like they are. Absolutely some stuff has to change. Getting a new mayor will be huge. 15 years is a long time and I really doubt things will look worse at that point than they do now, especially in Navy Yard. There's too much money invested, and too much potential upside. This city is full of rich people and overall trends are toward people moving into cities, not out.
You have a much more optimistic about the ability to rein in crime. Even a decline in 2024 will mean nothing if it doesn’t get below the 2020 baseline.
Anonymous
12/30/2023 11:17
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Has anyone here actually been to Navy Yard recently?
I don't think the Nats are likely to leave unless the crime makes a serious turn and the area starts bleeding retail, which has not happened. The abrupt closure of the Lululemon indicates that location had other issues, unrelated to crime -- it is not typical for a chain store like that to leave after a single crime incident. Chains generally have a formula to help the evaluate locations and I would bet that after the recent incident, they looked at overall sales and other factors and decided it didn't make sense anymore.
There continues to be a ton of new development in the area. I work in real estate and recently toured two huge new buildings down there, one mostly completed and another still under construction. High end units with views of the river and incredible amenities. While there we walked around and there are so many new places even since the last time I was there. The retail near the stadium is mostly full with mid and high end retail and restaurants. Even in midwinter with baseball out of season, coffee shops and restaurants were busy. The established apartment buildings in the neighborhood are at high capacity, and when you look at what is vacant in them, it's mostly the very high end units that are very hard to lease anyway (like penthouses with views that lease for upwards of 6k a month). The parks were busy even with bad weather, with people out with dogs and exercising.
I get there are crime issues, but unless there is a major exodus of tenants, I can't imagine the Nationals thinking they can do better elsewhere. That neighborhood was nothing 10 years ago. It grew up around the stadium and now it's one of the most lively neighborhoods in the city in terms of the retail/restaurant scene. Only the Wharf beats it on this front and the Wharf is still much smaller (and also has crime issues).
I think in the next 5 years we're going to see a concerted effort by development groups to force the city to address the issues with crime and infrastructure. We just need a receptive and competent mayor (Bowser is receptive but incompetent, she needs to go). The council honestly doesn't matter much -- they are relatively toothless and I actually think many of them will lose their jobs in the next election because they are also, mostly, terrible at politics.
Things aren't as dire as people act like they are. Absolutely some stuff has to change. Getting a new mayor will be huge. 15 years is a long time and I really doubt things will look worse at that point than they do now, especially in Navy Yard. There's too much money invested, and too much potential upside. This city is full of rich people and overall trends are toward people moving into cities, not out.
I don't think the Nats are likely to leave unless the crime makes a serious turn and the area starts bleeding retail, which has not happened. The abrupt closure of the Lululemon indicates that location had other issues, unrelated to crime -- it is not typical for a chain store like that to leave after a single crime incident. Chains generally have a formula to help the evaluate locations and I would bet that after the recent incident, they looked at overall sales and other factors and decided it didn't make sense anymore.
There continues to be a ton of new development in the area. I work in real estate and recently toured two huge new buildings down there, one mostly completed and another still under construction. High end units with views of the river and incredible amenities. While there we walked around and there are so many new places even since the last time I was there. The retail near the stadium is mostly full with mid and high end retail and restaurants. Even in midwinter with baseball out of season, coffee shops and restaurants were busy. The established apartment buildings in the neighborhood are at high capacity, and when you look at what is vacant in them, it's mostly the very high end units that are very hard to lease anyway (like penthouses with views that lease for upwards of 6k a month). The parks were busy even with bad weather, with people out with dogs and exercising.
I get there are crime issues, but unless there is a major exodus of tenants, I can't imagine the Nationals thinking they can do better elsewhere. That neighborhood was nothing 10 years ago. It grew up around the stadium and now it's one of the most lively neighborhoods in the city in terms of the retail/restaurant scene. Only the Wharf beats it on this front and the Wharf is still much smaller (and also has crime issues).
I think in the next 5 years we're going to see a concerted effort by development groups to force the city to address the issues with crime and infrastructure. We just need a receptive and competent mayor (Bowser is receptive but incompetent, she needs to go). The council honestly doesn't matter much -- they are relatively toothless and I actually think many of them will lose their jobs in the next election because they are also, mostly, terrible at politics.
Things aren't as dire as people act like they are. Absolutely some stuff has to change. Getting a new mayor will be huge. 15 years is a long time and I really doubt things will look worse at that point than they do now, especially in Navy Yard. There's too much money invested, and too much potential upside. This city is full of rich people and overall trends are toward people moving into cities, not out.
Anonymous
12/30/2023 10:51
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:Arlington/Alexandria don’t want stadiums. They will vote it down.
Alexandria won't. They elected this mayor and city council who are sooooo excited for it. The voters will continue to complain about the stadium and then re-elect this council who will green light everything. It's an endless cycle of this in Alexandria. The voters aren't exactly the best and brightest.
Anonymous
12/30/2023 06:35
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:I’d say there’s a fair shot Montreal gets its team back. There’s a lot of support for a new stadium there.
I think the plan is to get an NFL franchise up there. There or Toronto.
Anonymous
12/30/2023 02:01
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:Arlington/Alexandria don’t want stadiums. They will vote it down.
Will their votes matter? The casino deal for Tysons or more likely Reston is being shoved through it seems.
Anonymous
12/29/2023 21:09
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d say there’s a fair shot Montreal gets its team back. There’s a lot of support for a new stadium there.
I would say it’s equally possible the Nats will leave for Charlotte or Nashville.
More likely would be Os to Nashville
The O’s aren’t being offloaded by their owner or having their roster gutted.
The Os are for sale and ownership isn’t willing to spend despite the team finally being decent
They had ONE decent season for the first time in what, 27 years? That doesn’t make them a hot commodity all the sudden. They’re still basically a AAA team.
Try again. I won’t dispute that the I’s have had some rough seasons, but they have made the playoffs four times since 2012. Also, they just signed a new lease with state of Maryland to stay at Camden Yards for 30 more years.
Nats are the AAA team. Ugly stadium, bad team and games where the highlight is the presidents race…bush league.
Anonymous
12/29/2023 19:16
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a forgone conclusion that they’ll be in Arlington as soon as the lease is up at Navy Yard. DC is on a steepening downwards trajectory with regards to crime and quality of life metrics, and there is absolutely no indication of that changing.
Nope. Arlington and Alexandria don’t want it. They will block again just like 30 years ago.
Hahahaha.
No. .
Anonymous
12/29/2023 19:13
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d say there’s a fair shot Montreal gets its team back. There’s a lot of support for a new stadium there.
I would say it’s equally possible the Nats will leave for Charlotte or Nashville.
More likely would be Os to Nashville
The O’s aren’t being offloaded by their owner or having their roster gutted.
The Os are for sale and ownership isn’t willing to spend despite the team finally being decent
They had ONE decent season for the first time in what, 27 years? That doesn’t make them a hot commodity all the sudden. They’re still basically a AAA team.
Anonymous
12/29/2023 19:13
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a forgone conclusion that they’ll be in Arlington as soon as the lease is up at Navy Yard. DC is on a steepening downwards trajectory with regards to crime and quality of life metrics, and there is absolutely no indication of that changing.
Nope. Arlington and Alexandria don’t want it. They will block again just like 30 years ago.
Anonymous
12/29/2023 19:05
Subject: Will the Nats be the next team to flee across the river?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d say there’s a fair shot Montreal gets its team back. There’s a lot of support for a new stadium there.
I would say it’s equally possible the Nats will leave for Charlotte or Nashville.
More likely would be Os to Nashville
The O’s aren’t being offloaded by their owner or having their roster gutted.
The Os are for sale and ownership isn’t willing to spend despite the team finally being decent