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Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

More than twenty years ago. And cops from Revere and ordinary Bostonians went to Northeastern to become lawyers and work in business. Since then the school has become more high tech and more well known around the country.

If you think you’re being insulting or witty by sneering at its history then you’re just a mean spirited person.

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NP here. It seems every time NEU is mentioned, it is by an OP whose DC was not admitted. It is not so difficult to figure out that there is an obvious chip on OP's shoulder.

If we are going to talk about past commuter schools - many, many schools, including Harvard, would be included. GMU is a current commuter school.

NEU has not been a commuter school since the 1950's, when it was also known as a top Engineering school. NEU has always been a top Engineering school, and also one of the first and best Computer Science Schools, as well. NEU programs are nothing to sneer at, and it is extremely difficult, to be admitted to NEU. OP seems to be well aware of this, otherwise, why would OP be so persistent about posting false information about NEU, in particular.

OP should know what they are talking about before they post. There have been other pieces of misinformation that OP has posted about NEU. OP's posts are obvious and incorrect.

Anonymous wrote:I know nothing about the University of Illinois, but why/when/where did it become such a sought-after computer science school? It's not like it's located near Fermilab.

As a follow-up, is there any movement by UVA to become more CS/AI focused? Looking at that list of schools, that's where you want your public university to be heavily invested. I know that you still need to train doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc., but the schools on that list will just separate further from the schools that don't emphasize the future.

Longevity. School was building computers for govt/military back in the 40s. CS department established mid-60s. HAL, the computer from Stanley Kubrick's movie 2001, according to the script was "built" in Urbana.

I know nothing about the University of Illinois, but why/when/where did it become such a sought-after computer science school? It's not like it's located near Fermilab.

As a follow-up, is there any movement by UVA to become more CS/AI focused? Looking at that list of schools, that's where you want your public university to be heavily invested. I know that you still need to train doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc., but the schools on that list will just separate further from the schools that don't emphasize the future.

Not a lot of publics on this list. Reminds me of the "Big Law" and "Big Med" lists. And this is why the Ivies and the like will never die.

Anonymous wrote:For the CS/CS engineering outcomes:

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

Rank (Adjusted) Institution # Employed Top Employer (Total) Top Employer (Share)
1 Carnegie Mellon University 1,356
2 Columbia University 651
3 Stanford University 661
4 MIT 405
5 California Institute of Technology 78
6 Harvey Mudd College 72
7 Georgia Institute of Technology 1,094
8 University of Southern California 1,252
9 Rice University 235
10 Harvard University 260
11 Duke University 304
12 Cornell University 612
13 Northeastern University 604
14 University of California, Berkeley 1,212
15 University of Pennsylvania 352
16 Princeton University 170
17 Brown University 236
18 Santa Clara University 180
19 Northwestern University 226
20 University of Illinois 877

Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

More than twenty years ago. And cops from Revere and ordinary Bostonians went to Northeastern to become lawyers and work in business. Since then the school has become more high tech and more well known around the country.

If you think you’re being insulting or witty by sneering at its history then you’re just a mean spirited person.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

Emphasis on was. It's a top research school now and has a great CS program (and other great programs as well). Why you bring up what was every time NEU is mentioned is beyond me. 96,000+ applications last year, and probably more this year, make it a hot school no matter that you seem to bash them every time their name comes up

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It's a good school, in a hot college town (Boston is a great college town), with no supplemental essays (so it's an easy application---just pay your fee and hit submit in the Common App) and NEU has marketed well to get those application numbers up. Key is they are in Boston and no supplementals.

Another similarly ranked good school, Case Western, has no supplements, but it's not as popular. There's a school called Wentworth Institute of Tech with no supplements literally right next to NEU, but it's not popular at all. Thus, it tells us that it's not Boston and/or no supplements. It's a combination of many things.

I personally think the key is outcomes. NEU's outcomes rival those of many elite schools mentioned above, such as Rice, Vanderbilt, UChicago, Brown, Northwestern, etc.

Also, the purpose of supplements is to pick the right student for the school. NEU is doing one of the best jobs based on the retention rate, which is in the top 5. Its graduation rate is also in the top 25-30 among national universities. I think more schools should follow NEU's example and reduce the burden on students. Schools should have plenty of information already.

Verified source data?

I was surprised also and looked it up. But NEU's retention is top 5 in the country. That is one of the most impressive statistics a school can have. I think those schools listed above in particular might in general have better outcomes, but NEU does surprisingly well in post-grad MBA placements, med school admissions, and law school admissions. According to Poetsandquants, its undergrad business graduates have top 15 outcomes when measured by placement opportunities and salaries. Its general salary/payscale figures are higher than a lot of those schools, but that can be attributable to NEU's focus on engineering/comp sci. It makes sense its graduates will earn more than a Brown graduate in a humanities subject. Also, the co-op program really gives its students a leg up.

PP. I was asking about the text I bolded — you (?) said NEU’S “outcomes” rival those of multiple T15 schools. You cited undergraduate business majors (thanks) but that’s…. Really limited. I guess it’s useful for the person who wants to be an undergraduate business major.

You missed the post right above, 08:52?

How reliable is that list? It seems to be a hard, better metric than some click bait AI generated ranking on a pay-to-post magazine.

Now that is a list that means something.

For the CS/CS engineering outcomes:

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

Rank (Adjusted) Institution # Employed Top Employer (Total) Top Employer (Share)
1 Carnegie Mellon University 1,356
2 Columbia University 651
3 Stanford University 661
4 MIT 405
5 California Institute of Technology 78
6 Harvey Mudd College 72
7 Georgia Institute of Technology 1,094
8 University of Southern California 1,252
9 Rice University 235
10 Harvard University 260
11 Duke University 304
12 Cornell University 612
13 Northeastern University 604
14 University of California, Berkeley 1,212
15 University of Pennsylvania 352
16 Princeton University 170
17 Brown University 236
18 Santa Clara University 180
19 Northwestern University 226
20 University of Illinois 877

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

Emphasis on was. It's a top research school now and has a great CS program (and other great programs as well). Why you bring up what was every time NEU is mentioned is beyond me. 96,000+ applications last year, and probably more this year, make it a hot school no matter that you seem to bash them every time their name comes up

+1

DP:

It's a good school, in a hot college town (Boston is a great college town), with no supplemental essays (so it's an easy application---just pay your fee and hit submit in the Common App) and NEU has marketed well to get those application numbers up. Key is they are in Boston and no supplementals.

Another similarly ranked good school, Case Western, has no supplements, but it's not as popular. There's a school called Wentworth Institute of Tech with no supplements literally right next to NEU, but it's not popular at all. Thus, it tells us that it's not Boston and/or no supplements. It's a combination of many things.

I personally think the key is outcomes. NEU's outcomes rival those of many elite schools mentioned above, such as Rice, Vanderbilt, UChicago, Brown, Northwestern, etc.

Also, the purpose of supplements is to pick the right student for the school. NEU is doing one of the best jobs based on the retention rate, which is in the top 5. Its graduation rate is also in the top 25-30 among national universities. I think more schools should follow NEU's example and reduce the burden on students. Schools should have plenty of information already.

Verified source data?

I was surprised also and looked it up. But NEU's retention is top 5 in the country. That is one of the most impressive statistics a school can have. I think those schools listed above in particular might in general have better outcomes, but NEU does surprisingly well in post-grad MBA placements, med school admissions, and law school admissions. According to Poetsandquants, its undergrad business graduates have top 15 outcomes when measured by placement opportunities and salaries. Its general salary/payscale figures are higher than a lot of those schools, but that can be attributable to NEU's focus on engineering/comp sci. It makes sense its graduates will earn more than a Brown graduate in a humanities subject. Also, the co-op program really gives its students a leg up.

PP. I was asking about the text I bolded — you (?) said NEU’S “outcomes” rival those of multiple T15 schools. You cited undergraduate business majors (thanks) but that’s…. Really limited. I guess it’s useful for the person who wants to be an undergraduate business major.

A lot of these statistics are a bit misleading. The colleges like NEU and Carnegie Mellon that emphasize STEM majors will show higher earnings. Obviously the CS and engineering graduates will be more highly compensated. NEU's has a great business school, and with its coop program, of course its graduates will have higher paying jobs.

This of course can drive selectivity.

But look at William and Mary. It has an acceptance rate of 33%. But the great majority of majors are in non-STEM fields like psychology, government, history, English etc. I guarantee if you accounted just for W&M's computer science or business applicants, you would have a much lower admission rate, and much higher SAT scores.

Verified source data?

What outcomes are you talking about? Can't be investment banking or management consulting, or law school/med school ...so what?

Northeastern is obviously not a top target school for top IB or Consulting firms, but they are only small segment of the population
However it's business school is ranked highly overall based on outcome/salary.
https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/rankings/poetsquants-best-undergraduate-business-schools-of-2023/4/

Also Doing well on tech and engineeing areas
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

Overall school outcomes by salary: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/
Northeastern: $89K
Vanderbilt: $84K
UChicago: $78K
Rice: $87K
Northwestern: $86K
Brown: $88K
Emory: $82K
UCLA: $80K

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Anonymous wrote:Probably because there is a thread already on acceptance rates of LAC's. Not even sure if there are any selective R1 universities.

"Why R1 and not R2 and LACS? Seems silly."

*R2

William and Mary? Wake Forest? Brandeis?

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Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

Emphasis on was. It's a top research school now and has a great CS program (and other great programs as well). Why you bring up what was every time NEU is mentioned is beyond me. 96,000+ applications last year, and probably more this year, make it a hot school no matter that you seem to bash them every time their name comes up

+1

DP:

It's a good school, in a hot college town (Boston is a great college town), with no supplemental essays (so it's an easy application---just pay your fee and hit submit in the Common App) and NEU has marketed well to get those application numbers up. Key is they are in Boston and no supplementals.

Another similarly ranked good school, Case Western, has no supplements, but it's not as popular. There's a school called Wentworth Institute of Tech with no supplements literally right next to NEU, but it's not popular at all. Thus, it tells us that it's not Boston and/or no supplements. It's a combination of many things.

I personally think the key is outcomes. NEU's outcomes rival those of many elite schools mentioned above, such as Rice, Vanderbilt, UChicago, Brown, Northwestern, etc.

Also, the purpose of supplements is to pick the right student for the school. NEU is doing one of the best jobs based on the retention rate, which is in the top 5. Its graduation rate is also in the top 25-30 among national universities. I think more schools should follow NEU's example and reduce the burden on students. Schools should have plenty of information already.

Here NEU is listed at 55 in terms of graduation rate.
https://www.oedb.org/rankings/graduation-rate/

Did you get the 'among national universities' part?
So it sounds about right. Also looks like it's an outdated info.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/GraduationRate6Year/

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Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

Emphasis on was. It's a top research school now and has a great CS program (and other great programs as well). Why you bring up what was every time NEU is mentioned is beyond me. 96,000+ applications last year, and probably more this year, make it a hot school no matter that you seem to bash them every time their name comes up

+1

DP:

It's a good school, in a hot college town (Boston is a great college town), with no supplemental essays (so it's an easy application---just pay your fee and hit submit in the Common App) and NEU has marketed well to get those application numbers up. Key is they are in Boston and no supplementals.

Another similarly ranked good school, Case Western, has no supplements, but it's not as popular. There's a school called Wentworth Institute of Tech with no supplements literally right next to NEU, but it's not popular at all. Thus, it tells us that it's not Boston and/or no supplements. It's a combination of many things.

I personally think the key is outcomes. NEU's outcomes rival those of many elite schools mentioned above, such as Rice, Vanderbilt, UChicago, Brown, Northwestern, etc.

Also, the purpose of supplements is to pick the right student for the school. NEU is doing one of the best jobs based on the retention rate, which is in the top 5. Its graduation rate is also in the top 25-30 among national universities. I think more schools should follow NEU's example and reduce the burden on students. Schools should have plenty of information already.

Here NEU is listed at 55 in terms of graduation rate.
https://www.oedb.org/rankings/graduation-rate/