Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/?sh=2d1f51cd29e3


https://www.dcbar.org/News-Events/News/Panelists-Explain-What-Defunding-the-Police-Means-


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/us/what-is-defund-police-trnd/index.html


Pass.

Outdated bullshit articles and talking-head opinions from 3 years ago that don't even apply to DC. MPD's budget only dropped 2.8%. Stop the BS "they DEFUNDED us" crap.

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Anonymous wrote:I see the "DC DEFUNDED THE POLICE" poster still hasn't come through with the numbers to back up the claim.

FAIL.

Well, of course there won't be any numbers to back up the "DC defunded the police" claim because the reality is that the big "cut" consisted of not getting $15m of a $530m police budget. That's a tiny 2.8% of the police budget. And looking at what happened as a result of that tiny 2.8% budget reduction - arrests went from 28,000 down to 15,000, whereas crime soared. Homicides tripled, carjackings and armed robberies skyrocketed. Basically, a big part of DC's police force simply stopped doing their jobs. It's NOT EVEN that DC is hamstrung, that DC is underfunded or understaffed, because DC is one of the highest-funded places in the country for police, and DC has more police per capita than just about any other city in America. And that doesn't even include all of the federal police departments operating in the city, like Park Police, Capitol Police, Secret Service, Federal Protective Service, nor does it include all of the specialized police departments in DC, like Metro Transit Police, DC Housing Police and so on.

What that tells me is that many in DC police simply stopped doing their jobs. They were butthurt over comments made during the whole BLM thing and so basically stopped doing their jobs. They still show up and collect their checks but aren't doing anything for it. And it shows, over and over again, with the constant comments like "who'd want to be a cop when..." as if it somehow justifies not doing their jobs. It doesn't. They swore an oath to protect and serve, and they are being paid to do their jobs.

No, it was not because they felt “butthurt over comments made during the whole BLM thing” - as you put it.

DC police stopped risking their careers after Baltimore’s former criminal prosecutor (who is herself a criminal), decided to back BLM and attempt to criminally prosecute city police officers for doing their jobs (the officers were all found innocent and exonerated, BTW).

Progressive DC wants to prosecute its own police officers? FOR DOING THEIR JOBS??!
Hmm - what would be a logical response if YOU were an MPD officer?

Wow, you're really reaching here. Baltimore's prosecutor isn't in charge of DC. And, she ended up flaming out, screwing up and becoming irrelevant anyhow. And out of the tens of thousands of arrests that happened in DC during and in the years since the BLM protests, how many of those actually resulted in MPD officers being prosecuted for "doing their jobs?" Virtually none.

So yes, it IS about feeling butthurt over some mean words from randos during the BLM thing. Maybe it's given you a persecution complex over the possibility of being prosecuted even though that's HIGHLY unlikely to even happen, particularly if you use common sense and good judgement and don't do anything that's going to make you look like a scumbag on video. It still remains the fact that nobody is actually keeping MPD from doing their jobs. One wonders if some in MPD just want to punish the city over BLM and are choosing to not do their jobs and are letting crime run out of control.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/?sh=2d1f51cd29e3


https://www.dcbar.org/News-Events/News/Panelists-Explain-What-Defunding-the-Police-Means-


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/us/what-is-defund-police-trnd/index.html


Pass.

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Anonymous wrote:OP,

Do you expect MPD officers to walk a beat on this street?



You have told DC’s police what you think of them.

Why do you expect them to care about you now?

Why would they bother risking everything when you only want to prosecute police officers and not criminals?

You progressives did this. Now you get to live with the consequences of your actions.

You can post that picture all you like but ultimately it's meaningless, because DC *DID NOT* defund police in any meaningful way, and certainly NOT so much that it could even remotely account for the increase in crime. If your police union is telling you otherwise, they are full of shit and they are the problem.

As police officers you swear an oath to uphold law and to protect and serve your community. REGARDLESS of your police union leaders being snowflakes upset about some dumb shit painted on a pavement.

Stop lying.

The police budget numbers say otherwise. That makes you the liar. Period. End of discussion.

Uh huh.

“Police budget.”

Use that as your fig leaf.

“Arrest powers.”

The federal standard for a “law enforcement officer” is whether that person has “arrest powers.” That standard includes carrying a sidearm (a handgun), handcuffs, and the legal authority to detain and arrest a suspect.

DC has DECREASED the number of MPD officers with arrest powers.

They have many more “violence interrupters,” who have no arrest powers.

Negotiators. Counselors. Community liaisons. All are technically “MPD employees,” but they are not police officers and do not have arrest powers.

THIS is how DC and other cities have truly implemented “defund the police.”

Sure, the “police budget” may be the same, but let there be no doubt:

- police have indeed been defunded, in so many ways.

The PP up thread is lying to you. Police have been defunded.

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If you expect anyone to believe what you posted just now, you NEED to back it up. Post some REAL NUMBERS on what the reduction, if any, actually is, along with posting actual data on why any reduction in arrest powers happened. Were police officers actually driven out of the force? No. They left of their own volition. "Oh gee I can't be completely unaccountable and no longer allowed to basically be a criminal gang with badges?" Come on man. And don't think we didn't see things like the MPD fxckwads chomping on cigars while fistbumping known, violent Proud Boy felons who were caught on video assaulting DC citizens. We got your fxking numbers bro. Clean your shit up if you want our support. CLEAN IT UP.

Someone struck a nerve lol. I hope you stroked out after typing that but in case you didn’t, Google is your friend.

DP who would also like you to show your work.

Another +1. Sorry, your lazy “Google is your friend” doesn’t cut it. You made the assertion. Now back it up.

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Anonymous wrote:I see the "DC DEFUNDED THE POLICE" poster still hasn't come through with the numbers to back up the claim.

FAIL.

Well, of course there won't be any numbers to back up the "DC defunded the police" claim because the reality is that the big "cut" consisted of not getting $15m of a $530m police budget. That's a tiny 2.8% of the police budget. And looking at what happened as a result of that tiny 2.8% budget reduction - arrests went from 28,000 down to 15,000, whereas crime soared. Homicides tripled, carjackings and armed robberies skyrocketed. Basically, a big part of DC's police force simply stopped doing their jobs. It's NOT EVEN that DC is hamstrung, that DC is underfunded or understaffed, because DC is one of the highest-funded places in the country for police, and DC has more police per capita than just about any other city in America. And that doesn't even include all of the federal police departments operating in the city, like Park Police, Capitol Police, Secret Service, Federal Protective Service, nor does it include all of the specialized police departments in DC, like Metro Transit Police, DC Housing Police and so on.

What that tells me is that many in DC police simply stopped doing their jobs. They were butthurt over comments made during the whole BLM thing and so basically stopped doing their jobs. They still show up and collect their checks but aren't doing anything for it. And it shows, over and over again, with the constant comments like "who'd want to be a cop when..." as if it somehow justifies not doing their jobs. It doesn't. They swore an oath to protect and serve, and they are being paid to do their jobs.

No, it was not because they felt “butthurt over comments made during the whole BLM thing” - as you put it.

DC police stopped risking their careers after Baltimore’s former criminal prosecutor (who is herself a criminal), decided to back BLM and attempt to criminally prosecute city police officers for doing their jobs (the officers were all found innocent and exonerated, BTW).

Progressive DC wants to prosecute its own police officers? FOR DOING THEIR JOBS??!
Hmm - what would be a logical response if YOU were an MPD officer?

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Anonymous wrote:OP,

Do you expect MPD officers to walk a beat on this street?



You have told DC’s police what you think of them.

Why do you expect them to care about you now?

Why would they bother risking everything when you only want to prosecute police officers and not criminals?

You progressives did this. Now you get to live with the consequences of your actions.

You can post that picture all you like but ultimately it's meaningless, because DC *DID NOT* defund police in any meaningful way, and certainly NOT so much that it could even remotely account for the increase in crime. If your police union is telling you otherwise, they are full of shit and they are the problem.

As police officers you swear an oath to uphold law and to protect and serve your community. REGARDLESS of your police union leaders being snowflakes upset about some dumb shit painted on a pavement.

Stop lying.

They’re not lying. They’re correct. Take your conservative propaganda BS to Parler where it belongs.

Anonymous wrote:OP,

Do you expect MPD officers to walk a beat on this street?



You have told DC’s police what you think of them.

Why do you expect them to care about you now?

Why would they bother risking everything when you only want to prosecute police officers and not criminals?

You progressives did this. Now you get to live with the consequences of your actions.

Yawwwwwwnnnnnn.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I've had a couple of bad/youthful experiences with police...never in DC though. They are possibly the most mellow DC force in the world, basically inclined to urge you to move along. Where did the animosity towards our police come from? The defund movement may have wanted money for other things==social workers etc--but I don't see why we can't fund both. DC police aren't "known" for their atrocities. There aren't a succession of famous cases. If anything, they have shown heroism on multiple occasions.. like 1/6. Yes, people scream every time demonstrators are arrested (newsflash--get a permit!) and anytime they try to do proactive police work like task forces there is some kind of lawsuit because equity. It stinks that our police force got sucked up in the 2020 social justice maelstron by a bunch of SF liberal types, likely transplants, hellbent on experimenting with and destroying our town.

I think DC has a lot of good cops, but there are some that I do think are a problem - like the one who was secretly feeding internal intel to Proud Boys https://apnews.com/article/biden-proud-boys-washington-law-enforcement-capitol-siege-07b606c578399a4e24cc382a17f6f470, like the one who was photographed grinning, chomping on his cigar and fist bumping Proud Boys when they came to town and so on. Their sympathies aren't about fighting crime. Fact of the matter is that every time their Proud Boys buddies came into town, they engaged in a huge amount of violence. J6 was one such incident - but even the BLM protests typically only saw a big increase in violence and destruction when Proud Boys came into town. They randomly assaulted people on the streets minding their own business. They vandalized two historic black churches. And for that, we got fist bumps and collusion from some on the MPD force - what a disgrace. I want MPD to do their jobs, but I do think they need more oversight and accountability - but that's exactly the kind of thing their union soundly rejects. Ultimately the irony is that it's the police union that is driving a big uptick in violence and crime.

Mmmmm, I'm glad we agree that not all DC police are "bad". Your bad actor police examples are of course worthy of condemnation, but also "one ofs", even in your own words. And it isn't clear to me that it was exclusively proud boys smashing up downtown and looting small and big box businesses across the city while police pretty much stood by due to the pressures of the social justice narrative of those months. The flashmob theft continues to this day - is that proud boys?

I have worked in downtown DC right near the White House for almost 20 years. I walked past the BLM gatherings on a daily basis all throughout the whole George Floyd period. It was 99.9% peaceful. Seems to me the only times it ever got violent were when a.) Proud Boys came into town, b.) when there were outside, unaffiliated agitators in the crowd (I personally witnessed when a guy smashed a business's window - the BLM protesters surrounded the guy, tackled him and dragged him over to police and handed him over to be arrested) and c.) when police escalated with excessive, over-the-top violence - tear gas and so on, when they wanted to clear Lafayette Park for Trump's "bible" photo op at St. John's. Even journalists got pepperballed and tear gassed. Inexcuable. And dangerously chasing people down city streets with a helicopter flying mere feet away from city buildings? That was sheer government insanity.

No one is attacking BLM protestors. You do understand that while those protests were happening there was massive looting of stores and to this day cvs, Lululemon etc is getting hit up. Does BLM had some suggestions for how we can support peaceful commercial districts?

Yes, some bad actors used BLM as cover. In some cases it was planned, with organized crews, for example in Chicago there were accounts of teams of 20 guys with multiple U-hauls that were systematically hitting CVS stores. But that doesn't somehow make BLM culpable or responsible for coming up with solutions and in fact in instance after instance, BLM organizers denounced the looting and vandalism. And again, despite all the "Defund the Police" rhetoric none of it was ever seriously acted on in DC - ultimately MPD only got a 2.8% cut, which does not even remotely account for the massive, almost 50% drop in arrests, which only further emboldened and encouraged criminals. That big of a decline in arrests is in no way justifiable. And for all of the blame of progressive members of council and so on, can anyone show me specific examples of where any DC officials and politicians invoked legal mechanisms and proclaimed "NO! MPD is absolutely not to interfere with armed carjackings or Lululemon thefts and it's fine if it drives them to pack up and leave."

I disagree with you there. It was obvious that the tone and rhetoric of BLM influenced the politicians / police standing by . No one wanted to come in heavy (or AT ALL) in 2020, laws were changed ,sentencing was changed. and the looting has continued to this day. BLM should be offering ideas and solutions, given their status as advocates.

But again, none of the politicians gave orders saying "don't police anymore." It's the police themselves who decided to stop policing. Even when it's other problems, like the prosecutors not pursuing the cases, it's still on you to do your job regardless. Make it clear that the prosecutor failed, rather than also becoming part of the problem yourselves. You can't just stop doing your job, the one that you swore an oath to uphold, the one that you still collect a taxpayer funded paycheck to do, just because some rando said some mean words.

And, there WERE many ideas and solutions offered by advocates, like changing some tactics and having better training, like how to de-escalate, like having police actually get out to know the communities and work with them to reduce crime, rather than working against them and sowing distrust, like how to more appropriately handle situations like someone who has alzheimers or is autistic or has other issues, like not throwing the little old lady with dementia to the ground breaking her arm or not shooting the deaf kid because he didn't respond and so on. Like doing a little more critical thinking and having a little more discretion and judgement. Like not being unnecessarily abusive or violent when you don't need to be. Everyone has a phone with a camera these days yet a lot of cops continue to become "internet famous" every single day for dumb behaviors and there's a lot to be learned right there. There's literally hundreds and hundreds of videos out there of what NOT to do, maybe a 5 minute clip should be required at the beginning of every police shift. There's also a ton of stuff out there on what to do instead. But instead of making any positive changes, some in the rank and file and in the unions push back, attack anyone who dares to question them, cling to known bad and toxic behaviors, and go out of their way to shield and protect many of the bad cops from accountability and the handful of bad cops ends up giving all cops a bad reputation.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I've had a couple of bad/youthful experiences with police...never in DC though. They are possibly the most mellow DC force in the world, basically inclined to urge you to move along. Where did the animosity towards our police come from? The defund movement may have wanted money for other things==social workers etc--but I don't see why we can't fund both. DC police aren't "known" for their atrocities. There aren't a succession of famous cases. If anything, they have shown heroism on multiple occasions.. like 1/6. Yes, people scream every time demonstrators are arrested (newsflash--get a permit!) and anytime they try to do proactive police work like task forces there is some kind of lawsuit because equity. It stinks that our police force got sucked up in the 2020 social justice maelstron by a bunch of SF liberal types, likely transplants, hellbent on experimenting with and destroying our town.

I think DC has a lot of good cops, but there are some that I do think are a problem - like the one who was secretly feeding internal intel to Proud Boys https://apnews.com/article/biden-proud-boys-washington-law-enforcement-capitol-siege-07b606c578399a4e24cc382a17f6f470, like the one who was photographed grinning, chomping on his cigar and fist bumping Proud Boys when they came to town and so on. Their sympathies aren't about fighting crime. Fact of the matter is that every time their Proud Boys buddies came into town, they engaged in a huge amount of violence. J6 was one such incident - but even the BLM protests typically only saw a big increase in violence and destruction when Proud Boys came into town. They randomly assaulted people on the streets minding their own business. They vandalized two historic black churches. And for that, we got fist bumps and collusion from some on the MPD force - what a disgrace. I want MPD to do their jobs, but I do think they need more oversight and accountability - but that's exactly the kind of thing their union soundly rejects. Ultimately the irony is that it's the police union that is driving a big uptick in violence and crime.

Mmmmm, I'm glad we agree that not all DC police are "bad". Your bad actor police examples are of course worthy of condemnation, but also "one ofs", even in your own words. And it isn't clear to me that it was exclusively proud boys smashing up downtown and looting small and big box businesses across the city while police pretty much stood by due to the pressures of the social justice narrative of those months. The flashmob theft continues to this day - is that proud boys?

I have worked in downtown DC right near the White House for almost 20 years. I walked past the BLM gatherings on a daily basis all throughout the whole George Floyd period. It was 99.9% peaceful. Seems to me the only times it ever got violent were when a.) Proud Boys came into town, b.) when there were outside, unaffiliated agitators in the crowd (I personally witnessed when a guy smashed a business's window - the BLM protesters surrounded the guy, tackled him and dragged him over to police and handed him over to be arrested) and c.) when police escalated with excessive, over-the-top violence - tear gas and so on, when they wanted to clear Lafayette Park for Trump's "bible" photo op at St. John's. Even journalists got pepperballed and tear gassed. Inexcuable. And dangerously chasing people down city streets with a helicopter flying mere feet away from city buildings? That was sheer government insanity.

No one is attacking BLM protestors. You do understand that while those protests were happening there was massive looting of stores and to this day cvs, Lululemon etc is getting hit up. Does BLM had some suggestions for how we can support peaceful commercial districts?

Yes, some bad actors used BLM as cover. In some cases it was planned, with organized crews, for example in Chicago there were accounts of teams of 20 guys with multiple U-hauls that were systematically hitting CVS stores. But that doesn't somehow make BLM culpable or responsible for coming up with solutions and in fact in instance after instance, BLM organizers denounced the looting and vandalism. And again, despite all the "Defund the Police" rhetoric none of it was ever seriously acted on in DC - ultimately MPD only got a 2.8% cut, which does not even remotely account for the massive, almost 50% drop in arrests, which only further emboldened and encouraged criminals. That big of a decline in arrests is in no way justifiable. And for all of the blame of progressive members of council and so on, can anyone show me specific examples of where any DC officials and politicians invoked legal mechanisms and proclaimed "NO! MPD is absolutely not to interfere with armed carjackings or Lululemon thefts and it's fine if it drives them to pack up and leave."

I disagree with you there. It was obvious that the tone and rhetoric of BLM influenced the politicians / police standing by . No one wanted to come in heavy (or AT ALL) in 2020, laws were changed ,sentencing was changed. and the looting has continued to this day. BLM should be offering ideas and solutions, given their status as advocates.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I've had a couple of bad/youthful experiences with police...never in DC though. They are possibly the most mellow DC force in the world, basically inclined to urge you to move along. Where did the animosity towards our police come from? The defund movement may have wanted money for other things==social workers etc--but I don't see why we can't fund both. DC police aren't "known" for their atrocities. There aren't a succession of famous cases. If anything, they have shown heroism on multiple occasions.. like 1/6. Yes, people scream every time demonstrators are arrested (newsflash--get a permit!) and anytime they try to do proactive police work like task forces there is some kind of lawsuit because equity. It stinks that our police force got sucked up in the 2020 social justice maelstron by a bunch of SF liberal types, likely transplants, hellbent on experimenting with and destroying our town.

I think DC has a lot of good cops, but there are some that I do think are a problem - like the one who was secretly feeding internal intel to Proud Boys https://apnews.com/article/biden-proud-boys-washington-law-enforcement-capitol-siege-07b606c578399a4e24cc382a17f6f470, like the one who was photographed grinning, chomping on his cigar and fist bumping Proud Boys when they came to town and so on. Their sympathies aren't about fighting crime. Fact of the matter is that every time their Proud Boys buddies came into town, they engaged in a huge amount of violence. J6 was one such incident - but even the BLM protests typically only saw a big increase in violence and destruction when Proud Boys came into town. They randomly assaulted people on the streets minding their own business. They vandalized two historic black churches. And for that, we got fist bumps and collusion from some on the MPD force - what a disgrace. I want MPD to do their jobs, but I do think they need more oversight and accountability - but that's exactly the kind of thing their union soundly rejects. Ultimately the irony is that it's the police union that is driving a big uptick in violence and crime.

Mmmmm, I'm glad we agree that not all DC police are "bad". Your bad actor police examples are of course worthy of condemnation, but also "one ofs", even in your own words. And it isn't clear to me that it was exclusively proud boys smashing up downtown and looting small and big box businesses across the city while police pretty much stood by due to the pressures of the social justice narrative of those months. The flashmob theft continues to this day - is that proud boys?

I have worked in downtown DC right near the White House for almost 20 years. I walked past the BLM gatherings on a daily basis all throughout the whole George Floyd period. It was 99.9% peaceful. Seems to me the only times it ever got violent were when a.) Proud Boys came into town, b.) when there were outside, unaffiliated agitators in the crowd (I personally witnessed when a guy smashed a business's window - the BLM protesters surrounded the guy, tackled him and dragged him over to police and handed him over to be arrested) and c.) when police escalated with excessive, over-the-top violence - tear gas and so on, when they wanted to clear Lafayette Park for Trump's "bible" photo op at St. John's. Even journalists got pepperballed and tear gassed. Inexcuable. And dangerously chasing people down city streets with a helicopter flying mere feet away from city buildings? That was sheer government insanity.

No one is attacking BLM protestors. You do understand that while those protests were happening there was massive looting of stores and to this day cvs, Lululemon etc is getting hit up. Does BLM had some suggestions for how we can support peaceful commercial districts?

Yes, some bad actors used BLM as cover. In some cases it was planned, with organized crews, for example in Chicago there were accounts of teams of 20 guys with multiple U-hauls that were systematically hitting CVS stores. But that doesn't somehow make BLM culpable or responsible for coming up with solutions and in fact in instance after instance, BLM organizers denounced the looting and vandalism. And again, despite all the "Defund the Police" rhetoric none of it was ever seriously acted on in DC - ultimately MPD only got a 2.8% cut, which does not even remotely account for the massive, almost 50% drop in arrests, which only further emboldened and encouraged criminals. That big of a decline in arrests is in no way justifiable. And for all of the blame of progressive members of council and so on, can anyone show me specific examples of where any DC officials and politicians invoked legal mechanisms and proclaimed "NO! MPD is absolutely not to interfere with armed carjackings or Lululemon thefts and it's fine if it drives them to pack up and leave."

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I've had a couple of bad/youthful experiences with police...never in DC though. They are possibly the most mellow DC force in the world, basically inclined to urge you to move along. Where did the animosity towards our police come from? The defund movement may have wanted money for other things==social workers etc--but I don't see why we can't fund both. DC police aren't "known" for their atrocities. There aren't a succession of famous cases. If anything, they have shown heroism on multiple occasions.. like 1/6. Yes, people scream every time demonstrators are arrested (newsflash--get a permit!) and anytime they try to do proactive police work like task forces there is some kind of lawsuit because equity. It stinks that our police force got sucked up in the 2020 social justice maelstron by a bunch of SF liberal types, likely transplants, hellbent on experimenting with and destroying our town.

I think DC has a lot of good cops, but there are some that I do think are a problem - like the one who was secretly feeding internal intel to Proud Boys https://apnews.com/article/biden-proud-boys-washington-law-enforcement-capitol-siege-07b606c578399a4e24cc382a17f6f470, like the one who was photographed grinning, chomping on his cigar and fist bumping Proud Boys when they came to town and so on. Their sympathies aren't about fighting crime. Fact of the matter is that every time their Proud Boys buddies came into town, they engaged in a huge amount of violence. J6 was one such incident - but even the BLM protests typically only saw a big increase in violence and destruction when Proud Boys came into town. They randomly assaulted people on the streets minding their own business. They vandalized two historic black churches. And for that, we got fist bumps and collusion from some on the MPD force - what a disgrace. I want MPD to do their jobs, but I do think they need more oversight and accountability - but that's exactly the kind of thing their union soundly rejects. Ultimately the irony is that it's the police union that is driving a big uptick in violence and crime.

Mmmmm, I'm glad we agree that not all DC police are "bad". Your bad actor police examples are of course worthy of condemnation, but also "one ofs", even in your own words. And it isn't clear to me that it was exclusively proud boys smashing up downtown and looting small and big box businesses across the city while police pretty much stood by due to the pressures of the social justice narrative of those months. The flashmob theft continues to this day - is that proud boys?

I have worked in downtown DC right near the White House for almost 20 years. I walked past the BLM gatherings on a daily basis all throughout the whole George Floyd period. It was 99.9% peaceful. Seems to me the only times it ever got violent were when a.) Proud Boys came into town, b.) when there were outside, unaffiliated agitators in the crowd (I personally witnessed when a guy smashed a business's window - the BLM protesters surrounded the guy, tackled him and dragged him over to police and handed him over to be arrested) and c.) when police escalated with excessive, over-the-top violence - tear gas and so on, when they wanted to clear Lafayette Park for Trump's "bible" photo op at St. John's. Even journalists got pepperballed and tear gassed. Inexcuable. And dangerously chasing people down city streets with a helicopter flying mere feet away from city buildings? That was sheer government insanity.

No one is attacking BLM protestors. You do understand that while those protests were happening there was massive looting of stores and to this day cvs, Lululemon etc is getting hit up. Does BLM had some suggestions for how we can support peaceful commercial districts?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I've had a couple of bad/youthful experiences with police...never in DC though. They are possibly the most mellow DC force in the world, basically inclined to urge you to move along. Where did the animosity towards our police come from? The defund movement may have wanted money for other things==social workers etc--but I don't see why we can't fund both. DC police aren't "known" for their atrocities. There aren't a succession of famous cases. If anything, they have shown heroism on multiple occasions.. like 1/6. Yes, people scream every time demonstrators are arrested (newsflash--get a permit!) and anytime they try to do proactive police work like task forces there is some kind of lawsuit because equity. It stinks that our police force got sucked up in the 2020 social justice maelstron by a bunch of SF liberal types, likely transplants, hellbent on experimenting with and destroying our town.

I think DC has a lot of good cops, but there are some that I do think are a problem - like the one who was secretly feeding internal intel to Proud Boys https://apnews.com/article/biden-proud-boys-washington-law-enforcement-capitol-siege-07b606c578399a4e24cc382a17f6f470, like the one who was photographed grinning, chomping on his cigar and fist bumping Proud Boys when they came to town and so on. Their sympathies aren't about fighting crime. Fact of the matter is that every time their Proud Boys buddies came into town, they engaged in a huge amount of violence. J6 was one such incident - but even the BLM protests typically only saw a big increase in violence and destruction when Proud Boys came into town. They randomly assaulted people on the streets minding their own business. They vandalized two historic black churches. And for that, we got fist bumps and collusion from some on the MPD force - what a disgrace. I want MPD to do their jobs, but I do think they need more oversight and accountability - but that's exactly the kind of thing their union soundly rejects. Ultimately the irony is that it's the police union that is driving a big uptick in violence and crime.

Mmmmm, I'm glad we agree that not all DC police are "bad". Your bad actor police examples are of course worthy of condemnation, but also "one ofs", even in your own words. And it isn't clear to me that it was exclusively proud boys smashing up downtown and looting small and big box businesses across the city while police pretty much stood by due to the pressures of the social justice narrative of those months. The flashmob theft continues to this day - is that proud boys?

MPD keeps showing us they can't be bothered with retail theft. They'd rather sit in their cars flipping through tik tok posts on their phones. That needs to change.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I've had a couple of bad/youthful experiences with police...never in DC though. They are possibly the most mellow DC force in the world, basically inclined to urge you to move along. Where did the animosity towards our police come from? The defund movement may have wanted money for other things==social workers etc--but I don't see why we can't fund both. DC police aren't "known" for their atrocities. There aren't a succession of famous cases. If anything, they have shown heroism on multiple occasions.. like 1/6. Yes, people scream every time demonstrators are arrested (newsflash--get a permit!) and anytime they try to do proactive police work like task forces there is some kind of lawsuit because equity. It stinks that our police force got sucked up in the 2020 social justice maelstron by a bunch of SF liberal types, likely transplants, hellbent on experimenting with and destroying our town.

I think DC has a lot of good cops, but there are some that I do think are a problem - like the one who was secretly feeding internal intel to Proud Boys https://apnews.com/article/biden-proud-boys-washington-law-enforcement-capitol-siege-07b606c578399a4e24cc382a17f6f470, like the one who was photographed grinning, chomping on his cigar and fist bumping Proud Boys when they came to town and so on. Their sympathies aren't about fighting crime. Fact of the matter is that every time their Proud Boys buddies came into town, they engaged in a huge amount of violence. J6 was one such incident - but even the BLM protests typically only saw a big increase in violence and destruction when Proud Boys came into town. They randomly assaulted people on the streets minding their own business. They vandalized two historic black churches. And for that, we got fist bumps and collusion from some on the MPD force - what a disgrace. I want MPD to do their jobs, but I do think they need more oversight and accountability - but that's exactly the kind of thing their union soundly rejects. Ultimately the irony is that it's the police union that is driving a big uptick in violence and crime.

Mmmmm, I'm glad we agree that not all DC police are "bad". Your bad actor police examples are of course worthy of condemnation, but also "one ofs", even in your own words. And it isn't clear to me that it was exclusively proud boys smashing up downtown and looting small and big box businesses across the city while police pretty much stood by due to the pressures of the social justice narrative of those months. The flashmob theft continues to this day - is that proud boys?

I have worked in downtown DC right near the White House for almost 20 years. I walked past the BLM gatherings on a daily basis all throughout the whole George Floyd period. It was 99.9% peaceful. Seems to me the only times it ever got violent were when a.) Proud Boys came into town, b.) when there were outside, unaffiliated agitators in the crowd (I personally witnessed when a guy smashed a business's window - the BLM protesters surrounded the guy, tackled him and dragged him over to police and handed him over to be arrested) and c.) when police escalated with excessive, over-the-top violence - tear gas and so on, when they wanted to clear Lafayette Park for Trump's "bible" photo op at St. John's. Even journalists got pepperballed and tear gassed. Inexcuable. And dangerously chasing people down city streets with a helicopter flying mere feet away from city buildings? That was sheer government insanity.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I've had a couple of bad/youthful experiences with police...never in DC though. They are possibly the most mellow DC force in the world, basically inclined to urge you to move along. Where did the animosity towards our police come from? The defund movement may have wanted money for other things==social workers etc--but I don't see why we can't fund both. DC police aren't "known" for their atrocities. There aren't a succession of famous cases. If anything, they have shown heroism on multiple occasions.. like 1/6. Yes, people scream every time demonstrators are arrested (newsflash--get a permit!) and anytime they try to do proactive police work like task forces there is some kind of lawsuit because equity. It stinks that our police force got sucked up in the 2020 social justice maelstron by a bunch of SF liberal types, likely transplants, hellbent on experimenting with and destroying our town.

I think DC has a lot of good cops, but there are some that I do think are a problem - like the one who was secretly feeding internal intel to Proud Boys https://apnews.com/article/biden-proud-boys-washington-law-enforcement-capitol-siege-07b606c578399a4e24cc382a17f6f470, like the one who was photographed grinning, chomping on his cigar and fist bumping Proud Boys when they came to town and so on. Their sympathies aren't about fighting crime. Fact of the matter is that every time their Proud Boys buddies came into town, they engaged in a huge amount of violence. J6 was one such incident - but even the BLM protests typically only saw a big increase in violence and destruction when Proud Boys came into town. They randomly assaulted people on the streets minding their own business. They vandalized two historic black churches. And for that, we got fist bumps and collusion from some on the MPD force - what a disgrace. I want MPD to do their jobs, but I do think they need more oversight and accountability - but that's exactly the kind of thing their union soundly rejects. Ultimately the irony is that it's the police union that is driving a big uptick in violence and crime.

Mmmmm, I'm glad we agree that not all DC police are "bad". Your bad actor police examples are of course worthy of condemnation, but also "one ofs", even in your own words. And it isn't clear to me that it was exclusively proud boys smashing up downtown and looting small and big box businesses across the city while police pretty much stood by due to the pressures of the social justice narrative of those months. The flashmob theft continues to this day - is that proud boys?

Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. I've had a couple of bad/youthful experiences with police...never in DC though. They are possibly the most mellow DC force in the world, basically inclined to urge you to move along. Where did the animosity towards our police come from? The defund movement may have wanted money for other things==social workers etc--but I don't see why we can't fund both. DC police aren't "known" for their atrocities. There aren't a succession of famous cases. If anything, they have shown heroism on multiple occasions.. like 1/6. Yes, people scream every time demonstrators are arrested (newsflash--get a permit!) and anytime they try to do proactive police work like task forces there is some kind of lawsuit because equity. It stinks that our police force got sucked up in the 2020 social justice maelstron by a bunch of SF liberal types, likely transplants, hellbent on experimenting with and destroying our town.

I think DC has a lot of good cops, but there are some that I do think are a problem - like the one who was secretly feeding internal intel to Proud Boys https://apnews.com/article/biden-proud-boys-washington-law-enforcement-capitol-siege-07b606c578399a4e24cc382a17f6f470, like the one who was photographed grinning, chomping on his cigar and fist bumping Proud Boys when they came to town and so on. Their sympathies aren't about fighting crime. Fact of the matter is that every time their Proud Boys buddies came into town, they engaged in a huge amount of violence. J6 was one such incident - but even the BLM protests typically only saw a big increase in violence and destruction when Proud Boys came into town. They randomly assaulted people on the streets minding their own business. They vandalized two historic black churches. And for that, we got fist bumps and collusion from some on the MPD force - what a disgrace. I want MPD to do their jobs, but I do think they need more oversight and accountability - but that's exactly the kind of thing their union soundly rejects. Ultimately the irony is that it's the police union that is driving a big uptick in violence and crime.