The poster talking about a chihuahua biting is cray cray

Sure they are nasty little things sometimes, but there have been no fatalities from tiny dogs of any sort.

Put bulls and put bull types can do an incredible amount of damage in a short period of time

I used to spend lots of time at a dog park - fights happened between lots of kinds of dogs
When a put bull was involved it usually meant the other dog was rushed to the emergency vet.

They were bred to hold and shake, which is very different from a German shepherd, who was bred to bite and let go.

My Australian shepherd will air snap and put her teeth on someone as a warning, because that’s what herding dogs do


If she loses her mind she still isn’t able to inflict the same damage as a pit bull

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do pitbull owners ignore the facts? Study after study has shown pitbull, are the most dangerous dogs to own. . But despite all the evidence, pitbull owners one say that pitbull are a misunderstood breed. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Pit owners ignore breed characteristics. I've seen multiple times where people try to educate them about dogs being bred for certain jobs like retrieving, herding, tracking, fighting, eyc and dogs excel at whatever they were bred for., and can be pretty bad at what they were not bred for. For example, poodles were initially hunting dogs. I can get my dog to play fetch and bring the ball back to me as well as find a hidden toy playing the find it game. However, my dog will never try to herd a child or an animal. I can take him to a herding school, but he still would not be good at doing that because that's not his breed characteristic. I have a friend with a border collie that loves to herd things. It was like the dog bred to do that it enjoys it so much. Pitbull were bred to be fighting dogs. That's the breed characteristic. That's where they find the most satisfaction.

Because those traits are still being breed into hunting, and herding dogs, because those are the desired traits of the breed. Most people with pit bulls are not buying trained fighting dogs, as those traits for the most part are not desired any longer. The AMstaff is basically an APBT breed for show. It is breed to fit certain show requirements, and one would guess they don't want the dog killing the other dogs in the show. Also at this point must pit bull type dogs that people have are watered down by other breeds as they are mixed dogs coming from a shelter. Obviously there are some pits still being bred to fight and others that still have those traits in them because they are mauling people and other dogs. But the majority of these dogs are not a ticking time bomb

No most "herding" and "hunting" dogs today are not bred to work. They are bred to be pets and have to maintain the bloodlines of the breed and a certain appearance. My dog's breeder (an australian shepherd breeder) breeds dogs for pets and for show, so every dog is bred for looks, but indeed these dogs still want to herd and nip ankles, because it's in their genes.

Now take a step back and consider how those bloodlines developed

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Anonymous wrote:Why do pitbull owners ignore the facts? Study after study has shown pitbull, are the most dangerous dogs to own. . But despite all the evidence, pitbull owners one say that pitbull are a misunderstood breed. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Pit owners ignore breed characteristics. I've seen multiple times where people try to educate them about dogs being bred for certain jobs like retrieving, herding, tracking, fighting, eyc and dogs excel at whatever they were bred for., and can be pretty bad at what they were not bred for. For example, poodles were initially hunting dogs. I can get my dog to play fetch and bring the ball back to me as well as find a hidden toy playing the find it game. However, my dog will never try to herd a child or an animal. I can take him to a herding school, but he still would not be good at doing that because that's not his breed characteristic. I have a friend with a border collie that loves to herd things. It was like the dog bred to do that it enjoys it so much. Pitbull were bred to be fighting dogs. That's the breed characteristic. That's where they find the most satisfaction.

Because those traits are still being breed into hunting, and herding dogs, because those are the desired traits of the breed. Most people with pit bulls are not buying trained fighting dogs, as those traits for the most part are not desired any longer. The AMstaff is basically an APBT breed for show. It is breed to fit certain show requirements, and one would guess they don't want the dog killing the other dogs in the show. Also at this point must pit bull type dogs that people have are watered down by other breeds as they are mixed dogs coming from a shelter. Obviously there are some pits still being bred to fight and others that still have those traits in them because they are mauling people and other dogs. But the majority of these dogs are not a ticking time bomb

No most "herding" and "hunting" dogs today are not bred to work. They are bred to be pets and have to maintain the bloodlines of the breed and a certain appearance. My dog's breeder (an australian shepherd breeder) breeds dogs for pets and for show, so every dog is bred for looks, but indeed these dogs still want to herd and nip ankles, because it's in their genes.

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Anonymous wrote:I volunteer with rescue. Recently was bit for the first time. The dog has since been called a "dangerous dog" by the vet. Not sure what the outcome will be. It was a chihuahua. It more attacked me than bit, actually. Scared me enough that I won't foster again.

Any dog can do this. The problem was poor socialization and fear aggression. That isn't breed specific.

Yes, almost any dog can be made dangerous through poor socialization and abuse. The difference with pit bulls is that they can be that way even with the best of care because it’s how they are wired.

Even lions can learn to be gentle if they're properly socialized. Bite statistics with lions are zero.

https://youtu.be/E-YFZP5dTo4?si=lgatx5nukh3qJDX9

I’m sure there are plenty more stories but I only needed one to disprove your assertion.

I can easily find an equivalent pit bull

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Anonymous wrote:I volunteer with rescue. Recently was bit for the first time. The dog has since been called a "dangerous dog" by the vet. Not sure what the outcome will be. It was a chihuahua. It more attacked me than bit, actually. Scared me enough that I won't foster again.

Any dog can do this. The problem was poor socialization and fear aggression. That isn't breed specific.

Yes, almost any dog can be made dangerous through poor socialization and abuse. The difference with pit bulls is that they can be that way even with the best of care because it’s how they are wired.

Even lions can learn to be gentle if they're properly socialized. Bite statistics with lions are zero.

https://youtu.be/E-YFZP5dTo4?si=lgatx5nukh3qJDX9

I’m sure there are plenty more stories but I only needed one to disprove your assertion.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I volunteer with rescue. Recently was bit for the first time. The dog has since been called a "dangerous dog" by the vet. Not sure what the outcome will be. It was a chihuahua. It more attacked me than bit, actually. Scared me enough that I won't foster again.

Any dog can do this. The problem was poor socialization and fear aggression. That isn't breed specific.

Yes, almost any dog can be made dangerous through poor socialization and abuse. The difference with pit bulls is that they can be that way even with the best of care because it’s how they are wired.

Even lions can learn to be gentle if they're properly socialized. Bite statistics with lions are zero.

Only because we don't have lions in the us ( wild) why would we keep such statistics? When they do bite then you are a goner.

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Anonymous wrote:I volunteer with rescue. Recently was bit for the first time. The dog has since been called a "dangerous dog" by the vet. Not sure what the outcome will be. It was a chihuahua. It more attacked me than bit, actually. Scared me enough that I won't foster again.

Any dog can do this. The problem was poor socialization and fear aggression. That isn't breed specific.

Yes, almost any dog can be made dangerous through poor socialization and abuse. The difference with pit bulls is that they can be that way even with the best of care because it’s how they are wired.

Even lions can learn to be gentle if they're properly socialized. Bite statistics with lions are zero.

Anonymous wrote:I volunteer with rescue. Recently was bit for the first time. The dog has since been called a "dangerous dog" by the vet. Not sure what the outcome will be. It was a chihuahua. It more attacked me than bit, actually. Scared me enough that I won't foster again.

Any dog can do this. The problem was poor socialization and fear aggression. That isn't breed specific.

Yes, almost any dog can be made dangerous through poor socialization and abuse. The difference with pit bulls is that they can be that way even with the best of care because it’s how they are wired.

I volunteer with rescue. Recently was bit for the first time. The dog has since been called a "dangerous dog" by the vet. Not sure what the outcome will be. It was a chihuahua. It more attacked me than bit, actually. Scared me enough that I won't foster again.

Any dog can do this. The problem was poor socialization and fear aggression. That isn't breed specific.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have stats on rescues vs breeder dogs?

It doesn’t make any difference. All of them come from blood sport roots.

And I’ve never heard of any breed of rescued dog that reacts with so much aggression.

My neighbor works for animal control and every attack is a rescue.

But that’s just her … 1 group of data points.

I’d like to know if it’s all rescues and most pit bulls are rescues, then the stat is meaningless until it’s corrected.

This is just utterly false. Either you are making this up, or your "neighbor" is lying or you misunderstood.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/12/16/great-pyrenees-name-casper-fights-off-11-coyotes-killing-8-and-lives/

He actually fought off 11 coyotes

Pit bull type dogs were bred for fighting in pits, originally with bulls. Because they were taking on massive angry animals they were bred to be vicious and resistant to pain, that they would not surrender the fight or break their bite grip on the opponent no matter how much pain is inflicted on them. When it became illegal to sic dogs on bulls in pits for sport, the dogs were taught to fight one another instead.

There have been thousands of generations of pit bull type dogs bred for these traits of aggression and resiliency in the fight. You cannot undo the power of those instinctive behaviors in just a few generations breeding for pet dogs or interbreeding with gentler breeds.

Every dog bite is the result of human mismanagement of dog behavior, period. But because humans are so imperfect I think it only makes sense to phase out these fighting breeds which have no purpose in the modern world where dog fighting is prohibited by law.

The other day I read about a dog who is up for a farm dog of the year award - a Great Pyrenees, a livestock guard dog that killed 8 coyotes in one confrontation after the coyotes attacked the flock of sheep the dog was tasked with guarding. There is a place for a dog like that in the modern world. I cannot recall any instance of a Great Pyrenees killing a human, so maybe if you need a guard dog you get one of those rather than a Pit Bull type or Presa Canario or Rottweiler or other fighting type breed that sits squarely at the top of the list for dog attacks on humans.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do pitbull owners ignore the facts? Study after study has shown pitbull, are the most dangerous dogs to own. . But despite all the evidence, pitbull owners one say that pitbull are a misunderstood breed. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Pit owners ignore breed characteristics. I've seen multiple times where people try to educate them about dogs being bred for certain jobs like retrieving, herding, tracking, fighting, eyc and dogs excel at whatever they were bred for., and can be pretty bad at what they were not bred for. For example, poodles were initially hunting dogs. I can get my dog to play fetch and bring the ball back to me as well as find a hidden toy playing the find it game. However, my dog will never try to herd a child or an animal. I can take him to a herding school, but he still would not be good at doing that because that's not his breed characteristic. I have a friend with a border collie that loves to herd things. It was like the dog bred to do that it enjoys it so much. Pitbull were bred to be fighting dogs. That's the breed characteristic. That's where they find the most satisfaction.

Because those traits are still being breed into hunting, and herding dogs, because those are the desired traits of the breed. Most people with pit bulls are not buying trained fighting dogs, as those traits for the most part are not desired any longer. The AMstaff is basically an APBT breed for show. It is breed to fit certain show requirements, and one would guess they don't want the dog killing the other dogs in the show. Also at this point must pit bull type dogs that people have are watered down by other breeds as they are mixed dogs coming from a shelter. Obviously there are some pits still being bred to fight and others that still have those traits in them because they are mauling people and other dogs. But the majority of these dogs are not a ticking time bomb

Majority? Nah. But are pit bulls the problem dog? Yeah, yeah they are. And those violent tendencies are strong. Anytime you see the Glasgow smile and butt crack head, plus hyena shoulders… that thing has the capacity for violence more than most any other dog, and what’s worse is that they tend to have owners who are in denial about it.

And they think it's my child's fault for existing.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting —- should be posted in every animal shelter as well.
I’d also like to see a breakdown of unprovoked attacks. Germans are exceedingly trrritorual and protective — if you have one that isn’t too smart or with an owner that fails to train them, they can be quite dangerous, but it’s most often to people that approach them or their owner or come onto their property.

Pitts are the only breed I’ve seen that will jump out of their own yard to chase a person or other dog just for the sport of it. I saw a video where a Pitt used lawn furniture to vault himself over a 6 foot concrete wall to attack a little girl and her little dog that were walking across the street from his house. The Pitt owner who seemed like a nice guy in the news interview was totally shell shocked that the dog could over the wall—he had adopted it from a rescue, of course, and had no previous problems with it.

This is a story about an untrained, unmonitored dog with a clueless owner. Don't blame the dog, blame the idiot who left it unattended, probably more than just this once.

Most people that adopt a dog think they can let it out in the backyard with a six foot concrete fence and that will be okay. If these dogs need to come with special warnings that they should never be left without close monitoring, then the shelters and rescues need to be much much more clear about it. The number of people I see with pit bulls that they clearly cannot control is insane. Just yesterday, one lunging at the end of the leash while the owner waved at me not to pass them on the sidewalk. It’s so irresponsible of the shelters and rescues to adopt these dogs out like that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do pitbull owners ignore the facts? Study after study has shown pitbull, are the most dangerous dogs to own. . But despite all the evidence, pitbull owners one say that pitbull are a misunderstood breed. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Pit owners ignore breed characteristics. I've seen multiple times where people try to educate them about dogs being bred for certain jobs like retrieving, herding, tracking, fighting, eyc and dogs excel at whatever they were bred for., and can be pretty bad at what they were not bred for. For example, poodles were initially hunting dogs. I can get my dog to play fetch and bring the ball back to me as well as find a hidden toy playing the find it game. However, my dog will never try to herd a child or an animal. I can take him to a herding school, but he still would not be good at doing that because that's not his breed characteristic. I have a friend with a border collie that loves to herd things. It was like the dog bred to do that it enjoys it so much. Pitbull were bred to be fighting dogs. That's the breed characteristic. That's where they find the most satisfaction.

Because those traits are still being breed into hunting, and herding dogs, because those are the desired traits of the breed. Most people with pit bulls are not buying trained fighting dogs, as those traits for the most part are not desired any longer. The AMstaff is basically an APBT breed for show. It is breed to fit certain show requirements, and one would guess they don't want the dog killing the other dogs in the show. Also at this point must pit bull type dogs that people have are watered down by other breeds as they are mixed dogs coming from a shelter. Obviously there are some pits still being bred to fight and others that still have those traits in them because they are mauling people and other dogs. But the majority of these dogs are not a ticking time bomb

Majority? Nah. But are pit bulls the problem dog? Yeah, yeah they are. And those violent tendencies are strong. Anytime you see the Glasgow smile and butt crack head, plus hyena shoulders… that thing has the capacity for violence more than most any other dog, and what’s worse is that they tend to have owners who are in denial about it.