Anonymous
12/19/2023 13:31
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would you ever think that the current admissions system is equitable? It has never been and likely will never be. Get over it.
Because these institutions live, breathe and die for DEI. Yet here we are.
They are mocking us.
all true.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 13:21
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Independent private schools (not the Mary O'Mary's Catholic/parochial school for girls and boys type that middle and lower middle class families send their kids to), comprise 40% of the student body at most Ivy League schools.
Where is the outrage in the name of equity? Where are the protests? The changemakers? Maybe there will be a sit-in at Harvard this admissions season, definitely at Brown. Rise up, no equity, no peace...
Bueller...Bueller...
Presumably the independent private schools are also enrolling with equity in mind, so can you say which kids from the private schools are matriculating to Ivies?
+1 For example, all of the Big 3 privates in DC award financial aid to over 20% of their students, so presumably many of those students are included in the 40% OP refers to (but doesn't cite the source for the number). Given these colleges' current focus on FGLI and other institutional priorities, it's possible these students might even be overrepresented in the Ivy acceptances from privates.
Do you think 20% of the students at insert-your-school-name-here come from families making less the $65k/yr for a family of four?
Really?
No, but we are talking about a national aggregate of the handful of students who matriculate to Ivy league schools. One from each private school is all it takes.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 13:20
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Isn’t the whole point of attending an Ivy to meet other well-connected people who can enhance one’s future job/wealth/social prospects?
Without it the institution becomes a regular private school with inflated tuition.
It may be, but with the self-segregation by social class that already occurs at most of them, it never really worked anyway.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 13:14
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Independent private schools (not the Mary O'Mary's Catholic/parochial school for girls and boys type that middle and lower middle class families send their kids to), comprise 40% of the student body at most Ivy League schools.
Where is the outrage in the name of equity? Where are the protests? The changemakers? Maybe there will be a sit-in at Harvard this admissions season, definitely at Brown. Rise up, no equity, no peace...
Bueller...Bueller...
Presumably the independent private schools are also enrolling with equity in mind, so can you say which kids from the private schools are matriculating to Ivies?
+1 For example, all of the Big 3 privates in DC award financial aid to over 20% of their students, so presumably many of those students are included in the 40% OP refers to (but doesn't cite the source for the number). Given these colleges' current focus on FGLI and other institutional priorities, it's possible these students might even be overrepresented in the Ivy acceptances from privates.
Do you think 20% of the students at insert-your-school-name-here come from families making less the $65k/yr for a family of four?
Really?
Anonymous
12/19/2023 12:58
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Independent private schools (not the Mary O'Mary's Catholic/parochial school for girls and boys type that middle and lower middle class families send their kids to), comprise 40% of the student body at most Ivy League schools.
Where is the outrage in the name of equity? Where are the protests? The changemakers? Maybe there will be a sit-in at Harvard this admissions season, definitely at Brown. Rise up, no equity, no peace...
Bueller...Bueller...
We are not a meritocracy. Private universities recruit disproportionately from private schools because they're looking for wealthy, full-pay parents. Honors programs/colleges in state universities go a long way toward undoing some of the pro-rich discrimination. That and hiring managers need to be aware of education infrastructure and look at the person harder than their alma mater.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 12:29
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
kAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.
This is what European universities do. No DEI questions and tons of government support.
They also have universal health care and no guns. So what?
Anonymous
12/19/2023 11:52
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Isn’t the whole point of attending an Ivy to meet other well-connected people who can enhance one’s future job/wealth/social prospects?
Without it the institution becomes a regular private school with inflated tuition.
Without it the institution becomes a regular private school with inflated tuition.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 11:51
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.
I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.
In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.
So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.
The academic results are not similar. Not even close.
And you know this...how?
And...how do you know if the Questbridge applicant didn't have the financial and living struggles of your UMC kid who was groomed and prepped for an Ivy application, that they wouldn't have the same results?
Just let the test scores sort out applicants.
DP: You are just going to have to get over this idea that test score mean as much to colleges as they mean to you. Also, there isn't enough room at the few schools you personally deem worthy to take all the top test scorers anyway.
There are fewer than 5,000 TOTAL students who score 1,600 or 36 in one sitting, and fewer than 3,000 that earn those scores in their first sitting.
There’s PLENTY of room for all of the TOP test scorers.
But the single sitting score is almost completely irrelevant. Pretty much every school now accepts super scores. So the score of a student who gets a 1550 over two or three sittings will look exactly the same to the schools as a student who gets a 1550 in one sitting. And there are multiples of students who get top scores with a super score compared to those who get it in a single sitting.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 11:50
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.
I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.
In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.
So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.
The academic results are not similar. Not even close.
And you know this...how?
And...how do you know if the Questbridge applicant didn't have the financial and living struggles of your UMC kid who was groomed and prepped for an Ivy application, that they wouldn't have the same results?
Just let the test scores sort out applicants.
DP: You are just going to have to get over this idea that test score mean as much to colleges as they mean to you. Also, there isn't enough room at the few schools you personally deem worthy to take all the top test scorers anyway.
There are fewer than 5,000 TOTAL students who score 1,600 or 36 in one sitting, and fewer than 3,000 that earn those scores in their first sitting.
There’s PLENTY of room for all of the TOP test scorers.
Top included the full 99th percentile. The difference is a question or two and which day you tested.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 11:47
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.
I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.
In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.
So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.
The academic results are not similar. Not even close.
And you know this...how?
And...how do you know if the Questbridge applicant didn't have the financial and living struggles of your UMC kid who was groomed and prepped for an Ivy application, that they wouldn't have the same results?
Just let the test scores sort out applicants.
DP: You are just going to have to get over this idea that test score mean as much to colleges as they mean to you. Also, there isn't enough room at the few schools you personally deem worthy to take all the top test scorers anyway.
There are fewer than 5,000 TOTAL students who score 1,600 or 36 in one sitting, and fewer than 3,000 that earn those scores in their first sitting.
There’s PLENTY of room for all of the TOP test scorers.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 11:37
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Independent private schools (not the Mary O'Mary's Catholic/parochial school for girls and boys type that middle and lower middle class families send their kids to), comprise 40% of the student body at most Ivy League schools.
Where is the outrage in the name of equity? Where are the protests? The changemakers? Maybe there will be a sit-in at Harvard this admissions season, definitely at Brown. Rise up, no equity, no peace...
Bueller...Bueller...
Presumably the independent private schools are also enrolling with equity in mind, so can you say which kids from the private schools are matriculating to Ivies?
+1 For example, all of the Big 3 privates in DC award financial aid to over 20% of their students, so presumably many of those students are included in the 40% OP refers to (but doesn't cite the source for the number). Given these colleges' current focus on FGLI and other institutional priorities, it's possible these students might even be overrepresented in the Ivy acceptances from privates.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 11:28
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.
I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.
In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.
So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.
The academic results are not similar. Not even close.
And you know this...how?
And...how do you know if the Questbridge applicant didn't have the financial and living struggles of your UMC kid who was groomed and prepped for an Ivy application, that they wouldn't have the same results?
Just let the test scores sort out applicants.
DP: You are just going to have to get over this idea that test score mean as much to colleges as they mean to you. Also, there isn't enough room at the few schools you personally deem worthy to take all the top test scorers anyway.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 11:26
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Independent private schools (not the Mary O'Mary's Catholic/parochial school for girls and boys type that middle and lower middle class families send their kids to), comprise 40% of the student body at most Ivy League schools.
Where is the outrage in the name of equity? Where are the protests? The changemakers? Maybe there will be a sit-in at Harvard this admissions season, definitely at Brown. Rise up, no equity, no peace...
Bueller...Bueller...
Presumably the independent private schools are also enrolling with equity in mind, so can you say which kids from the private schools are matriculating to Ivies?
Anonymous
12/19/2023 11:04
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let the highest achieving kids get in and stop with the DEI nonsense. Just because your kid is disadvantaged and can barely read doesn’t mean they should go to Harvard.
I like the way you assume someone who is on Questbridge or who is an admit that provides diversity is somehow a lesser student than your snowflake.
In my experience, these applicants as well as most of the athlete applicants are every bit as academically qualified as your kid. In the case of the athletes, these applicants were spending 25-30 hours a week over and above their academic requirements to hone their skills while your kid was playing minecraft in the basement. And the Questbridge applicants are overcoming much more difficult financial and living conditions yet achieved similar academic results as your upper middle class coddled kid.
So how about lets lose the entitlement. No one is taking your kid's spot at a T20 school. It isn't an entitlement, even if your kid is a legacy.
The academic results are not similar. Not even close.
And you know this...how?
And...how do you know if the Questbridge applicant didn't have the financial and living struggles of your UMC kid who was groomed and prepped for an Ivy application, that they wouldn't have the same results?
Just let the test scores sort out applicants.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:14
Subject: Fun fact of the day, independent private schools make up 40% of student enrollment at most Ivies...where is the equity?
I bet 40% of Questbridge students come from independent high schools. Our HS has a half dozen every year. The same parents who do the legwork for Questbridge and Posse are the ones who did the legwork to get full tuition at private high schools.