Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:46
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I didn’t have time to read through all the comments but my children’s school had 5 seniors admitted to Williams last Friday. 2 athletes, 2 legacies and 1 refugee from Afghanistan. It was like a textbook illustration of why not to apply ED.
Wow. What school?
A boarding school in Mass
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:40
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The school counselors have access to this function to identify “hooks”-at least in SCOiR-and they should be notifying parents!!
Someone posted a link last year to a guide Harvard Westlake gives parents of juniors/seniors and every school should aspire to do this. It provides stats for hooked and unhooked students who were accepted to various schools in the prior year’s admissions process (maybe multiple cycles, I can’t remember exact details now). I don’t understand why schools hold this info back when college matriculation is one of their main “selling points” and sharing this info will increase the likelihood of positive outcomes.
Do you have the link? I’d like to send it to our private college counseling office.
Think this it. Holy sh*t eye-opening.
https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/completehandbook2023.pdf
The Harvard data for this school is not impressive at all. Once you take out legacy and recruited athlete. Eight admits out of 105 applications over the last three years?
Meanwhile in 2023,
14 to Harvard
10 to Columbia
9 to Stanford
8 to Cornell
7 to Penn
6 to Brown
5 to Yale.... and so on.
Does that mean - a lot of athletic recruits and legacy???
I would assume recruited athletes, legacy, donor/development families, URM, and possibly first gen are excluded. So what you’re really looking at are the stats for unhooked white and asian kids. And those kids are competing against their hooked peers for spots at top schools so they’re really at a disadvantage.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:39
Subject: Re:Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Williams ED gives no boost over RD (RD admissions rate is higher for unhooked applicants) because only 1 ED round, 1/3 of class is athletes, and then there’s Questbridge etc.
Nobody unhooked should be applying ED to Williams.
Of course, nobody unhooked should be applying to SCEA schools at this point either. And yet…
Oh yeah, no one should be applying ED to Williams when the acceptance rate is 27% and 943 applicants. Instead you should wait until RD when the acceptance rate is 9.8% and there are 10,315 applicants. Makes perfect sense.
Subtract out the athletes and other priority applicants and then redo the math.
I have "redone" the math. You have not. Clearly.
And I've done plenty of research about the benefits of ED (summary: it benefits the college more but also benefits the applicant).
If Williams or any other ED school is your clear first choice, and you can afford the costs as per the NPC, and you do not apply ED you are making acceptance much more difficult.
Williams is need blind, but if your ED choice is need aware and you are full pay it is an even bigger benefit.
Don't take my word for it. Read a book on elite college admissions or one specifically on early admissions. Talk to an elite admissions officer (current or former).
Show us the math — or begone with ye.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:37
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The school counselors have access to this function to identify “hooks”-at least in SCOiR-and they should be notifying parents!!
Someone posted a link last year to a guide Harvard Westlake gives parents of juniors/seniors and every school should aspire to do this. It provides stats for hooked and unhooked students who were accepted to various schools in the prior year’s admissions process (maybe multiple cycles, I can’t remember exact details now). I don’t understand why schools hold this info back when college matriculation is one of their main “selling points” and sharing this info will increase the likelihood of positive outcomes.
Do you have the link? I’d like to send it to our private college counseling office.
Think this it. Holy sh*t eye-opening.
https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/completehandbook2023.pdf
Weirdly not impressive at all. If you are not a legacy or athletic recruit, I suppose. For a highly highly selective private school you’d assume their numbers for Northwestern, Wake Forest and Vanderbilt would be better?
I guess their numbers for the University of Southern California looks stellar with over 30% admit rate.
This is really interesting. It looks like they do the best at large public institutions….
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:37
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I didn’t have time to read through all the comments but my children’s school had 5 seniors admitted to Williams last Friday. 2 athletes, 2 legacies and 1 refugee from Afghanistan. It was like a textbook illustration of why not to apply ED.
Wow. What school?
Why is that wow….they’re all hooked
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:34
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:I didn’t have time to read through all the comments but my children’s school had 5 seniors admitted to Williams last Friday. 2 athletes, 2 legacies and 1 refugee from Afghanistan. It was like a textbook illustration of why not to apply ED.
Wow. What school?
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:34
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
I didn’t have time to read through all the comments but my children’s school had 5 seniors admitted to Williams last Friday. 2 athletes, 2 legacies and 1 refugee from Afghanistan. It was like a textbook illustration of why not to apply ED.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:32
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The school counselors have access to this function to identify “hooks”-at least in SCOiR-and they should be notifying parents!!
Someone posted a link last year to a guide Harvard Westlake gives parents of juniors/seniors and every school should aspire to do this. It provides stats for hooked and unhooked students who were accepted to various schools in the prior year’s admissions process (maybe multiple cycles, I can’t remember exact details now). I don’t understand why schools hold this info back when college matriculation is one of their main “selling points” and sharing this info will increase the likelihood of positive outcomes.
Do you have the link? I’d like to send it to our private college counseling office.
Think this it. Holy sh*t eye-opening.
https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/completehandbook2023.pdf
The Harvard data for this school is not impressive at all. Once you take out legacy and recruited athlete. Eight admits out of 105 applications over the last three years?
Meanwhile in 2023,
14 to Harvard
10 to Columbia
9 to Stanford
8 to Cornell
7 to Penn
6 to Brown
5 to Yale.... and so on.
Does that mean - a lot of athletic recruits and legacy???
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:23
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The school counselors have access to this function to identify “hooks”-at least in SCOiR-and they should be notifying parents!!
Someone posted a link last year to a guide Harvard Westlake gives parents of juniors/seniors and every school should aspire to do this. It provides stats for hooked and unhooked students who were accepted to various schools in the prior year’s admissions process (maybe multiple cycles, I can’t remember exact details now). I don’t understand why schools hold this info back when college matriculation is one of their main “selling points” and sharing this info will increase the likelihood of positive outcomes.
Do you have the link? I’d like to send it to our private college counseling office.
Think this it. Holy sh*t eye-opening.
https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/completehandbook2023.pdf
Oh good! You found it.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:23
Subject: Re:Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Williams ED gives no boost over RD (RD admissions rate is higher for unhooked applicants) because only 1 ED round, 1/3 of class is athletes, and then there’s Questbridge etc.
Nobody unhooked should be applying ED to Williams.
Of course, nobody unhooked should be applying to SCEA schools at this point either. And yet…
Oh yeah, no one should be applying ED to Williams when the acceptance rate is 27% and 943 applicants. Instead you should wait until RD when the acceptance rate is 9.8% and there are 10,315 applicants. Makes perfect sense.
Subtract out the athletes and other priority applicants and then redo the math.
I have "redone" the math. You have not. Clearly.
And I've done plenty of research about the benefits of ED (summary: it benefits the college more but also benefits the applicant).
If Williams or any other ED school is your clear first choice, and you can afford the costs as per the NPC, and you do not apply ED you are making acceptance much more difficult.
Williams is need blind, but if your ED choice is need aware and you are full pay it is an even bigger benefit.
Don't take my word for it. Read a book on elite college admissions or one specifically on early admissions. Talk to an elite admissions officer (current or former).
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:22
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The school counselors have access to this function to identify “hooks”-at least in SCOiR-and they should be notifying parents!!
Someone posted a link last year to a guide Harvard Westlake gives parents of juniors/seniors and every school should aspire to do this. It provides stats for hooked and unhooked students who were accepted to various schools in the prior year’s admissions process (maybe multiple cycles, I can’t remember exact details now). I don’t understand why schools hold this info back when college matriculation is one of their main “selling points” and sharing this info will increase the likelihood of positive outcomes.
Do you have the link? I’d like to send it to our private college counseling office.
I think it was posted in this thread: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/671939.page#11624931
None of the links to the HW doc seem to work now but there is a screen shot (I believe from the document) in the thread. It will give you something to work with. The challenge seems to be getting schools to disclose this information.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:20
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The school counselors have access to this function to identify “hooks”-at least in SCOiR-and they should be notifying parents!!
Someone posted a link last year to a guide Harvard Westlake gives parents of juniors/seniors and every school should aspire to do this. It provides stats for hooked and unhooked students who were accepted to various schools in the prior year’s admissions process (maybe multiple cycles, I can’t remember exact details now). I don’t understand why schools hold this info back when college matriculation is one of their main “selling points” and sharing this info will increase the likelihood of positive outcomes.
Do you have the link? I’d like to send it to our private college counseling office.
Think this it. Holy sh*t eye-opening.
https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/completehandbook2023.pdf
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:13
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bloodbath? Wow. Take it easy.
Seriously !
There are 1000's of comparable colleges out there - get a grip
Isn’t that Williams’ motto? “One of thousands.”
No. It’s something about shooting for the stars. I should know but I graduated a long time ago.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:12
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The school counselors have access to this function to identify “hooks”-at least in SCOiR-and they should be notifying parents!!
Someone posted a link last year to a guide Harvard Westlake gives parents of juniors/seniors and every school should aspire to do this. It provides stats for hooked and unhooked students who were accepted to various schools in the prior year’s admissions process (maybe multiple cycles, I can’t remember exact details now). I don’t understand why schools hold this info back when college matriculation is one of their main “selling points” and sharing this info will increase the likelihood of positive outcomes.
Do you have the link? I’d like to send it to our private college counseling office.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 11:11
Subject: Williams ED Bloodbath?
Anonymous wrote:The school counselors have access to this function to identify “hooks”-at least in SCOiR-and they should be notifying parents!!
Someone posted a link last year to a guide Harvard Westlake gives parents of juniors/seniors and every school should aspire to do this. It provides stats for hooked and unhooked students who were accepted to various schools in the prior year’s admissions process (maybe multiple cycles, I can’t remember exact details now). I don’t understand why schools hold this info back when college matriculation is one of their main “selling points” and sharing this info will increase the likelihood of positive outcomes.