Anonymous
12/11/2023 17:57
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
presumably, the F students aren't going to college. if they can't be bothered with high school, why would they want to go to college except to have 4 more years paid for by their parents?
As those of us who have criticized the policy have made it clear: The degree of F matters.
By artificially inflating grades to a 50% F, you make it much easier for them to get a D, which is passing and allows them to move on to the next phase. Even if that's not a four-year university out of the gate, it ill prepares them for community college. The K-12 school system is basically punting the responsibility for developing these kids onto higher ed (either at community college or four-year universities) or hoping they can survive with their subpar skills in a workplace environment.
That is setting these kids up for a lifetime of struggle and disappointment, as they realize that their high schools did educate them to the true standard of the high school diploma they possess.
There are no F's. Everyone knows we give E's in MCPS to not hurt anyone's feelings.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 16:17
Subject: Re:50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Do we care more about kids staying engaged in school or punishing them?
Anonymous
12/11/2023 16:10
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
presumably, the F students aren't going to college. if they can't be bothered with high school, why would they want to go to college except to have 4 more years paid for by their parents?
As those of us who have criticized the policy have made it clear: The degree of F matters.
By artificially inflating grades to a 50% F, you make it much easier for them to get a D, which is passing and allows them to move on to the next phase. Even if that's not a four-year university out of the gate, it ill prepares them for community college. The K-12 school system is basically punting the responsibility for developing these kids onto higher ed (either at community college or four-year universities) or hoping they can survive with their subpar skills in a workplace environment.
That is setting these kids up for a lifetime of struggle and disappointment, as they realize that their high schools did educate them to the true standard of the high school diploma they possess.
These kids aren’t going to community
College either. But you know what really makes it tough for people? Eliminating the possibility of a HS diploma.
Shouldn’t a HS diploma actually mean something? Why cheapen its value for kids who are working hard?
Anonymous
12/11/2023 16:05
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:A “D” can be passing because some courses are terminal. However, the prerequisite for some courses needs to be a “C or better” for some courses.
A D should not be passing for any course. All my students who have Ds show close to zero understanding of content. Whatever limited understanding they have is short term recall only
Anonymous
12/11/2023 15:39
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
presumably, the F students aren't going to college. if they can't be bothered with high school, why would they want to go to college except to have 4 more years paid for by their parents?
As those of us who have criticized the policy have made it clear: The degree of F matters.
By artificially inflating grades to a 50% F, you make it much easier for them to get a D, which is passing and allows them to move on to the next phase. Even if that's not a four-year university out of the gate, it ill prepares them for community college. The K-12 school system is basically punting the responsibility for developing these kids onto higher ed (either at community college or four-year universities) or hoping they can survive with their subpar skills in a workplace environment.
That is setting these kids up for a lifetime of struggle and disappointment, as they realize that their high schools did educate them to the true standard of the high school diploma they possess.
These kids aren’t going to community
College either. But you know what really makes it tough for people? Eliminating the possibility of a HS diploma.
What's the point in a diploma if they are just given it rather than earning it? The reason it is a requirement for many jobs is that it ensures a basic standard of education is completed by the recipient. By removing those standards, the diploma doesn't have any value and either does the education that it's suppose to imply. Am I to take it that people who support these measures have essentially given up?
It really defies logic.
The PP and those like her who believe this crap don't believe in logic. They just care about FEEEEEEEELINGS and not hurting people's feelings by being transparent and honest with them they aren't meeting expectations and will not move on to the next level until they do. They prefer to lie and mislead people. Which says a lot about their moral compass.
I don’t care about feelings. I care about people being able to get jobs and support themselves. Until as a society we make that possible without a HS diploma, then I am all for what will make kids successful at this. I also care about kids who get sick or have mental health issues that take them out of school for extensive periods and despite this, can master the material.
As has been pointed out to you, if you devalue the HS diploma by stripping it of its purpose as a credential of a certain standard of education and knowledge, you creating a circular problem as employers will just ignore the HS diploma and move on to the bachelor's instead. To a degree, this has already happened to a large extent because of people like you with your mindset.
You want the HS diploma to mean something that helps people get jobs and support themselves? Then hold them to a standard. Not an artificially inflated one. You are literally devaluing the thing you say you are prioritizing.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 15:16
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
presumably, the F students aren't going to college. if they can't be bothered with high school, why would they want to go to college except to have 4 more years paid for by their parents?
As those of us who have criticized the policy have made it clear: The degree of F matters.
By artificially inflating grades to a 50% F, you make it much easier for them to get a D, which is passing and allows them to move on to the next phase. Even if that's not a four-year university out of the gate, it ill prepares them for community college. The K-12 school system is basically punting the responsibility for developing these kids onto higher ed (either at community college or four-year universities) or hoping they can survive with their subpar skills in a workplace environment.
That is setting these kids up for a lifetime of struggle and disappointment, as they realize that their high schools did educate them to the true standard of the high school diploma they possess.
These kids aren’t going to community
College either. But you know what really makes it tough for people? Eliminating the possibility of a HS diploma.
What's the point in a diploma if they are just given it rather than earning it? The reason it is a requirement for many jobs is that it ensures a basic standard of education is completed by the recipient. By removing those standards, the diploma doesn't have any value and either does the education that it's suppose to imply. Am I to take it that people who support these measures have essentially given up?
It really defies logic.
The PP and those like her who believe this crap don't believe in logic. They just care about FEEEEEEEELINGS and not hurting people's feelings by being transparent and honest with them they aren't meeting expectations and will not move on to the next level until they do. They prefer to lie and mislead people. Which says a lot about their moral compass.
I don’t care about feelings. I care about people being able to get jobs and support themselves. Until as a society we make that possible without a HS diploma, then I am all for what will make kids successful at this. I also care about kids who get sick or have mental health issues that take them out of school for extensive periods and despite this, can master the material.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 14:57
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
presumably, the F students aren't going to college. if they can't be bothered with high school, why would they want to go to college except to have 4 more years paid for by their parents?
As those of us who have criticized the policy have made it clear: The degree of F matters.
By artificially inflating grades to a 50% F, you make it much easier for them to get a D, which is passing and allows them to move on to the next phase. Even if that's not a four-year university out of the gate, it ill prepares them for community college. The K-12 school system is basically punting the responsibility for developing these kids onto higher ed (either at community college or four-year universities) or hoping they can survive with their subpar skills in a workplace environment.
That is setting these kids up for a lifetime of struggle and disappointment, as they realize that their high schools did educate them to the true standard of the high school diploma they possess.
These kids aren’t going to community
College either. But you know what really makes it tough for people? Eliminating the possibility of a HS diploma.
What's the point in a diploma if they are just given it rather than earning it? The reason it is a requirement for many jobs is that it ensures a basic standard of education is completed by the recipient. By removing those standards, the diploma doesn't have any value and either does the education that it's suppose to imply. Am I to take it that people who support these measures have essentially given up?
It really defies logic.
The PP and those like her who believe this crap don't believe in logic. They just care about FEEEEEEEELINGS and not hurting people's feelings by being transparent and honest with them they aren't meeting expectations and will not move on to the next level until they do. They prefer to lie and mislead people. Which says a lot about their moral compass.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 13:41
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
presumably, the F students aren't going to college. if they can't be bothered with high school, why would they want to go to college except to have 4 more years paid for by their parents?
As those of us who have criticized the policy have made it clear: The degree of F matters.
By artificially inflating grades to a 50% F, you make it much easier for them to get a D, which is passing and allows them to move on to the next phase. Even if that's not a four-year university out of the gate, it ill prepares them for community college. The K-12 school system is basically punting the responsibility for developing these kids onto higher ed (either at community college or four-year universities) or hoping they can survive with their subpar skills in a workplace environment.
That is setting these kids up for a lifetime of struggle and disappointment, as they realize that their high schools did educate them to the true standard of the high school diploma they possess.
These kids aren’t going to community
College either. But you know what really makes it tough for people? Eliminating the possibility of a HS diploma.
What's the point in a diploma if they are just given it rather than earning it? The reason it is a requirement for many jobs is that it ensures a basic standard of education is completed by the recipient. By removing those standards, the diploma doesn't have any value and either does the education that it's suppose to imply. Am I to take it that people who support these measures have essentially given up?
It really defies logic.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 12:17
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
presumably, the F students aren't going to college. if they can't be bothered with high school, why would they want to go to college except to have 4 more years paid for by their parents?
As those of us who have criticized the policy have made it clear: The degree of F matters.
By artificially inflating grades to a 50% F, you make it much easier for them to get a D, which is passing and allows them to move on to the next phase. Even if that's not a four-year university out of the gate, it ill prepares them for community college. The K-12 school system is basically punting the responsibility for developing these kids onto higher ed (either at community college or four-year universities) or hoping they can survive with their subpar skills in a workplace environment.
That is setting these kids up for a lifetime of struggle and disappointment, as they realize that their high schools did educate them to the true standard of the high school diploma they possess.
These kids aren’t going to community
College either. But you know what really makes it tough for people? Eliminating the possibility of a HS diploma.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 12:10
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:We get it, as a progressive you hate merit.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
Uh, professor, the kids who routinely get 50 percent grades are not headed to college either way.
This change will help prepare kids for trade school, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points. Better?
MOST of my working class students who get lots of 50% rule grades are already working under the table and learning practical skills in fields ranging from food service to lawn care to cosmetology to automotive repair. I’m not terribly worried that they will struggle with completing assigned hands on tasks in trade school or the world of work. I AM concerned that they will struggle to understand and address in a timely manner licensing agency communications or contracts with suppliers.
In contrast, MOST of my middle class students who get lots of 50% rule grades are struggling with poor mental health. They are currently incapable of completing assignments successfully. They are unlikely to go to college immediately after graduation and their families probably turn up their noses at trade school.
So you're arguing the 50% rule helps kids struggling with mental health? I'm not sure this is a real problem. Half the kids at our school have straight A's.
I have seen them t be immensely helpful to kids with mental health issues. You have a kid who is hospitalized and out for weeks and it’s overwhelming to try to catch up. If the student has otherwise mastered the material, giving zeros for assignments that can’t be completed is yet another kick when they are down.
It sure seems like many of these arch-conservative types post about the 50% rule mostly because they enjoy kicking kids when they're down.
Yes the distinction between an F and an F- is of little consequence to me.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 12:06
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
presumably, the F students aren't going to college. if they can't be bothered with high school, why would they want to go to college except to have 4 more years paid for by their parents?
As those of us who have criticized the policy have made it clear: The degree of F matters.
By artificially inflating grades to a 50% F, you make it much easier for them to get a D, which is passing and allows them to move on to the next phase. Even if that's not a four-year university out of the gate, it ill prepares them for community college. The K-12 school system is basically punting the responsibility for developing these kids onto higher ed (either at community college or four-year universities) or hoping they can survive with their subpar skills in a workplace environment.
That is setting these kids up for a lifetime of struggle and disappointment, as they realize that their high schools did educate them to the true standard of the high school diploma they possess.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 10:50
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
We get it, as a progressive you hate merit.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
Uh, professor, the kids who routinely get 50 percent grades are not headed to college either way.
This change will help prepare kids for trade school, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points. Better?
MOST of my working class students who get lots of 50% rule grades are already working under the table and learning practical skills in fields ranging from food service to lawn care to cosmetology to automotive repair. I’m not terribly worried that they will struggle with completing assigned hands on tasks in trade school or the world of work. I AM concerned that they will struggle to understand and address in a timely manner licensing agency communications or contracts with suppliers.
In contrast, MOST of my middle class students who get lots of 50% rule grades are struggling with poor mental health. They are currently incapable of completing assignments successfully. They are unlikely to go to college immediately after graduation and their families probably turn up their noses at trade school.
So you're arguing the 50% rule helps kids struggling with mental health? I'm not sure this is a real problem. Half the kids at our school have straight A's.
I have seen them t be immensely helpful to kids with mental health issues. You have a kid who is hospitalized and out for weeks and it’s overwhelming to try to catch up. If the student has otherwise mastered the material, giving zeros for assignments that can’t be completed is yet another kick when they are down.
It sure seems like many of these arch-conservative types post about the 50% rule mostly because they enjoy kicking kids when they're down.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 10:10
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
presumably, the F students aren't going to college. if they can't be bothered with high school, why would they want to go to college except to have 4 more years paid for by their parents?
Anonymous
12/11/2023 10:01
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:A “D” can be passing because some courses are terminal. However, the prerequisite for some courses needs to be a “C or better” for some courses.
True. I think that's a fair compromise.
Anonymous
12/11/2023 10:00
Subject: 50% rule is going away. Is that true?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The grading policy was quietly changed. Thank goodness.
I know! It's so wonderful that we can now ensure these good-for-nothings get an F- instead of F. Honestly, you think they'd have better things to worry about.
Professor here. This change will help prepare kids for college, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points.
Uh, professor, the kids who routinely get 50 percent grades are not headed to college either way.
This change will help prepare kids for trade school, where they have to make an effort in order to earn points. Better?
MOST of my working class students who get lots of 50% rule grades are already working under the table and learning practical skills in fields ranging from food service to lawn care to cosmetology to automotive repair. I’m not terribly worried that they will struggle with completing assigned hands on tasks in trade school or the world of work. I AM concerned that they will struggle to understand and address in a timely manner licensing agency communications or contracts with suppliers.
In contrast, MOST of my middle class students who get lots of 50% rule grades are struggling with poor mental health. They are currently incapable of completing assignments successfully. They are unlikely to go to college immediately after graduation and their families probably turn up their noses at trade school.
So you're arguing the 50% rule helps kids struggling with mental health? I'm not sure this is a real problem. Half the kids at our school have straight A's.
I have seen them t be immensely helpful to kids with mental health issues. You have a kid who is hospitalized and out for weeks and it’s overwhelming to try to catch up. If the student has otherwise mastered the material, giving zeros for assignments that can’t be completed is yet another kick when they are down.
It sure seems like many of these arch-conservative types post about the 50% rule mostly because they enjoy kicking kids when they're down.