Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 11:55     Subject: Re:In pool notifications
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My daughter scored 128 (not in-pool), higher on verbal than on quantitative. We expect good recommendations from her teacher, who has told us many times that she's outgoing, inquisitive and a good candidate for AAP. We also the teacher has been proactive in saving her best work samples and of course we have already parent referred. Would you all recommend also scheduling the WISC now so we have (potentially) better test score data on hand and ready to go in case of an appeal? Or, should we wait and see if she gets in on the first round, and then schedule the WISC only if needed? I am worried about there not being enough time to schedule the WISC and get scores back in time for a possible appeal and I am assuming she might need the appeal to get in... as 128 seems very borderline.

Thanks in advance!


I would wait because it’s stressful for them and you will have time to book one if you need it.


but if PP's DD ends up having to take the WISC, it's better to have prepared for 4 months versus 2 weeks. I would schedule it for March and do a slow, unstressful, WISC prep for the next few months.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 10:44     Subject: Re:In pool notifications
Anonymous wrote:My daughter scored 128 (not in-pool), higher on verbal than on quantitative. We expect good recommendations from her teacher, who has told us many times that she's outgoing, inquisitive and a good candidate for AAP. We also the teacher has been proactive in saving her best work samples and of course we have already parent referred. Would you all recommend also scheduling the WISC now so we have (potentially) better test score data on hand and ready to go in case of an appeal? Or, should we wait and see if she gets in on the first round, and then schedule the WISC only if needed? I am worried about there not being enough time to schedule the WISC and get scores back in time for a possible appeal and I am assuming she might need the appeal to get in... as 128 seems very borderline.

Thanks in advance!


I would wait because it’s stressful for them and you will have time to book one if you need it.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 10:40     Subject: Re:In pool notifications
Anonymous wrote:My daughter scored 128 (not in-pool), higher on verbal than on quantitative. We expect good recommendations from her teacher, who has told us many times that she's outgoing, inquisitive and a good candidate for AAP. We also the teacher has been proactive in saving her best work samples and of course we have already parent referred. Would you all recommend also scheduling the WISC now so we have (potentially) better test score data on hand and ready to go in case of an appeal? Or, should we wait and see if she gets in on the first round, and then schedule the WISC only if needed? I am worried about there not being enough time to schedule the WISC and get scores back in time for a possible appeal and I am assuming she might need the appeal to get in... as 128 seems very borderline.

Thanks in advance!

Teacher's recommendation is decisive. Your daughter will get in.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 10:23     Subject: Re:In pool notifications
My daughter scored 128 (not in-pool), higher on verbal than on quantitative. We expect good recommendations from her teacher, who has told us many times that she's outgoing, inquisitive and a good candidate for AAP. We also the teacher has been proactive in saving her best work samples and of course we have already parent referred. Would you all recommend also scheduling the WISC now so we have (potentially) better test score data on hand and ready to go in case of an appeal? Or, should we wait and see if she gets in on the first round, and then schedule the WISC only if needed? I am worried about there not being enough time to schedule the WISC and get scores back in time for a possible appeal and I am assuming she might need the appeal to get in... as 128 seems very borderline.

Thanks in advance!
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 09:35     Subject: In pool notifications
Anonymous wrote:Same received at 3pm, have not received score.

To those whose kid was not in pool - our older was not in pool (still scored decently well) but was selected for AAP as a result of the GBRS.

We are not sure if our younger one will get in - he is more quiet than our older one and we didn't get the gushing feedback we did from our older one's teacher


He should be fine. Teachers like quiet kids, not the energetic ones.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 09:27     Subject: In pool notifications
Anonymous wrote:146 nnat
137 cogat
in pool


Nnat/CoGat averages above 140 are safely in pool for all elementary schools in FCPS, IMO. The gray area where local norms come into play is 128-138. Before local norms, the cutoff was 132. The highest is probably 138 at haycock or Churchill.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 09:25     Subject: In pool notifications
146 nnat
137 cogat
in pool
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 09:11     Subject: In pool notifications
All files are reviewed the same is that correct? At least Cogat is viewed more highly than the nnat.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 09:11     Subject: In pool notifications
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are the NNAT and Cogat averaged to determine in-pool? We got our Cogat score, 132, but apparently not in pool.


Its school or Pyramid specific... Chantilly Pyramid, 136 on both COGAT/NNAT was not good enough to be in-pool last year either.


At the highest performing schools, 140 seems the score to be in-pool. This doesn’t mean they will/wiil not make it into AAP though if you parent refer.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 09:06     Subject: In pool notifications
Same here… 126 Nnat and 134 cogat and not in pool :/
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 08:31     Subject: In pool notifications
Disappointing if they are averaged. My child did much better on COGAT (but not in pool)
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2023 08:30     Subject: In pool notifications
Anonymous wrote:Are the NNAT and Cogat averaged to determine in-pool? We got our Cogat score, 132, but apparently not in pool.


Its school or Pyramid specific... Chantilly Pyramid, 136 on both COGAT/NNAT was not good enough to be in-pool last year either.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 23:48     Subject: In pool notifications
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Crossfield, got CogAT result in the kid's backpack. I went through the red folder but found nothing, kind of bummed, But then found the result lying in the bottom of his backpack.

Also got in pool notice.

Score? Mine is above avg didn’t get in.


He is 99% in both, so in pool is no surprise.

But what are the actual scores?
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 22:30     Subject: In pool notifications
Anonymous wrote:For those in pool, are you still submitting a parent referral?


Definitely. I don't think the teacher likes our kid, so I suspect our chances are pretty grim based on that alone. Honestly, the teacher liking a kid is more valuable for purposes of AAP than high test scores given the holistic review process.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 22:28     Subject: In pool notifications
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They have sent them out


I got something called a "Universal Screener Referral". Is that what "in-pool" means?


Yes. It means your kid did well enough on some combination (average people say) of NNAT and CoGAT to be in the top 10% or so of your individual school, so your kid automatically gets a packet prepared whether you parent refer or not.

To be clear, you should parent refer no matter what because those added paragraphs are useful to help explain why your kid should be in AAP, even if the teacher gives a poor HOPE rating or something.


So what happens if your kid doesn't have NNAT on file? We weren't in FCPS last year.


Mine didn't have NNAT because of COVID. They gave it to her after we parent referred her for AAP.