Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real tragedy of management consulting is the criminal brain drain of some of our best and brightest to an industry designed to squeeze ever more profit out of the planet and out of people. The flow of our top students, who have been nurtured for decades through our education system, to private equity, investment banking and the most BS of all, management consulting, is tragic. Rather than educate, heal, or develop technical solutions to urgent problems, some of our best and brightest are instead lured into these bullshit jobs that harm people and the biosphere we depend upon -for money.

Amen!

There was one year where something like 60% of senior class at Yale interviewed with McKinsey and people were rightfully horrified. Add me to that list.

That is so sad and shame on Yale for choosing so many of these students. Reinforces my belief that the hyper- competitive elite schools are damaging our country by arming sociopaths with elite pedigrees.

Behind every Yale student is a rejection from Harvard.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real tragedy of management consulting is the criminal brain drain of some of our best and brightest to an industry designed to squeeze ever more profit out of the planet and out of people. The flow of our top students, who have been nurtured for decades through our education system, to private equity, investment banking and the most BS of all, management consulting, is tragic. Rather than educate, heal, or develop technical solutions to urgent problems, some of our best and brightest are instead lured into these bullshit jobs that harm people and the biosphere we depend upon -for money.

Amen!

There was one year where something like 60% of senior class at Yale interviewed with McKinsey and people were rightfully horrified. Add me to that list.

That is so sad and shame on Yale for choosing so many of these students. Reinforces my belief that the hyper- competitive elite schools are damaging our country by arming sociopaths with elite pedigrees.

Most "consultants" are completely useless, at best. The worst are the ones who recommend more of their own products and services.

I have no idea why boards of directors put up with this sort of waste of resources.

I worked at a AMS (now CGI) in the 90's and they would hire MBAs and put them on projects with no real experience.

We were working for Bank of Montreal and they hired a Harvard MBA. completely worthless. He was paid more than the senior project managers, and had no clue on how to do software development projects. He was gone in 4 months.

If you are doing real work, never hire an MBA, they will be a drag on your team.

Anonymous wrote:its funny that the drones think they know better and think doing the same thing over and over again expecting better results is not insanity

Sorry you had to learn on DCUM that no one respects your "industry".

Anonymous wrote:its funny that the drones think they know better and think doing the same thing over and over again expecting better results is not insanity

It's funny 20 year old somethings think they know everything without ever having worked a real job in their lives except at being BS artists.

its funny that the drones think they know better and think doing the same thing over and over again expecting better results is not insanity

This is interesting to me that this happens in every field. I am a medical lab worker and every couple of years some 20 somethings in suits walk through with their clicking high heels and make a plan to save our lab money. Switching to just-in-time inventory was a big one which ended up being a complete disaster during Covid and people probably died with lab tests undone because they were out of stock.
A worker could tell you plenty of ways to save money and the biggest one would be to quit hiring idiots. If you, manager, are unsure if someone is an idiot, have an actual worker ask them a few technical questions about the field they claim to be expert in.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone feel like the person doing most of the replying is the same person at DCUM that always seems to have an axe to grind with consultants?

NP. Lol, no. Nobody like consultants.

I have worked under several CEOs, and each one had this fantastic consultant who was going to fix everything wrong after meeting with employees a few times and having a few expensive dinners with the CEO and/or the board.

None of them delivered. It's an expensive waste of time.

Anonymous wrote:If consultants were not needed they would be out of business but here they are teaching morons how to do their jobs correctly.

Oh right. As if we need professions like pharmacy benefit managers, who are just useless middlemen who drive up costs of drugs. The most pathetic part is that you confound existence with need. A living, healthy organism doesn't need a parasite like fungi or worms to thrive now do they? Yet parasites exist.

I love how McKinsey told ATT in the 90s that something like only 700,000 cellphones would be sold per year. Based on that feedback ATT pulled out of the cellphone market. Too bad those brilliant consultants were only off by 82,000%. Amazing job at teaching those morons at ATT how to do their jobs.

Consultants don't even realize how stupid they are, do they?

Anonymous wrote:Oh I'm so glad to read this. I have a couple friends in mgmt consulting and I've never been able to understand what they actually do. Thought I was missing something. Apparently not.

Do people go into those jobs because they think it's actually substantive and lucrative, or do they know it's a scam and are trying to avoid doing any real work?

The last thing you said.

Anyone feel like the person doing most of the replying is the same person at DCUM that always seems to have an axe to grind with consultants?

If consultants were not needed they would be out of business but here they are teaching morons how to do their jobs correctly.

Anonymous wrote:Oh I'm so glad to read this. I have a couple friends in mgmt consulting and I've never been able to understand what they actually do. Thought I was missing something. Apparently not.

Do people go into those jobs because they think it's actually substantive and lucrative, or do they know it's a scam and are trying to avoid doing any real work?

Pretty much the only reason anyone does managment consulting. The people that do this kind of work are money driven and are probably sociopaths. They're just BS artists who do things like figuring out ways to poison the country with maximum amounts of oxycontin for pediatric use (this isn't even a joke).