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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that the SLACs are where the athletes and the NARPs can frolic freely together.

Not necessarily. Friend of mine had a son at Williams who said the athlete / rich kid / woke kid / "everyone else" cliques didn't mix much.

so four cliques? jock, rich, woke, and remainder?

I think it’s basically two. Athletes are often from well to do backgrounds so there is a natural overlap with jock and rich. (Some would argue the point of athletics is to attract full pay rich kids.) This woke nonsense has exacerbated the natural divergence between goal oriented athletes and creative/intellectual/dissolute NARPs. Now the NARPs can’t even be reasoned with. My DS at Kenyon is really far from a traditional jock although he plays a sport. But he does find a lot of these NARPs are truly abnormal people- shockingly so. His estimate is about half of them are really off the deep end. I’m happy his social life is centered around the sports/Greek kids (who overlap heavily). This generation may just be a little stranger than previous ones. Raised on iPhones, Covid, the rise of transgenderism/BLM, etc.

I don't even know what this means.

Imagine two boys. One has purple hair, is committed to social justice, enjoys drugs, writes poetry, plays the flute, and considers himself non-binary. Another one plays lacrosse, has a closet full of vineyard vines, enjoys beer and aspires to run a hedge fund. What I’m suggesting is a social paradigm that can be semi-accurately described as a tension between these two extreme poles.

The hedge fund-aspiring vineyard vines kid never does cocaine. Never. It's the poet-flautist who enjoys drugs, see.

Wokeness is to a large extent a reincarnation of 1960s counter culture (led by the same hero, Herbert Marcuse, who preached sexual liberation). So yeah I think the woke kids are the ones messing around with drugs primarily.

You didn’t learn to reason at a LAC, did you?

A few anti-"woke" influencers have mentioned Marcuse lately, always in terms simplistic enough to fit a tidy agenda. My guess is PP read about Marcuse in somebody's substack, or the equivalent.

Funny, PP here, I first read Marcuse as a freshman at the non-Cornell Ivy in a small seminar with a world famous scholar who if I recall correctly was one of his protégés. So F off.

Apologies. Your post read to me like someone was invoking a Frankfurt School philosopher for the sake of making a cheap political stereotype seem more like an intellectual argument. But it sounds like you've read him for real, so I must be wrong about that. (Turkish protege?) Effing off now!

Reading Marcuse as a freshman doesn't make someone immune from invoking him for half-assed political points.

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that the SLACs are where the athletes and the NARPs can frolic freely together.

Not necessarily. Friend of mine had a son at Williams who said the athlete / rich kid / woke kid / "everyone else" cliques didn't mix much.

so four cliques? jock, rich, woke, and remainder?

I think it’s basically two. Athletes are often from well to do backgrounds so there is a natural overlap with jock and rich. (Some would argue the point of athletics is to attract full pay rich kids.) This woke nonsense has exacerbated the natural divergence between goal oriented athletes and creative/intellectual/dissolute NARPs. Now the NARPs can’t even be reasoned with. My DS at Kenyon is really far from a traditional jock although he plays a sport. But he does find a lot of these NARPs are truly abnormal people- shockingly so. His estimate is about half of them are really off the deep end. I’m happy his social life is centered around the sports/Greek kids (who overlap heavily). This generation may just be a little stranger than previous ones. Raised on iPhones, Covid, the rise of transgenderism/BLM, etc.

I don't even know what this means.

Imagine two boys. One has purple hair, is committed to social justice, enjoys drugs, writes poetry, plays the flute, and considers himself non-binary. Another one plays lacrosse, has a closet full of vineyard vines, enjoys beer and aspires to run a hedge fund. What I’m suggesting is a social paradigm that can be semi-accurately described as a tension between these two extreme poles.

The hedge fund-aspiring vineyard vines kid never does cocaine. Never. It's the poet-flautist who enjoys drugs, see.

Wokeness is to a large extent a reincarnation of 1960s counter culture (led by the same hero, Herbert Marcuse, who preached sexual liberation). So yeah I think the woke kids are the ones messing around with drugs primarily.

You didn’t learn to reason at a LAC, did you?

A few anti-"woke" influencers have mentioned Marcuse lately, always in terms simplistic enough to fit a tidy agenda. My guess is PP read about Marcuse in somebody's substack, or the equivalent.

Funny, PP here, I first read Marcuse as a freshman at the non-Cornell Ivy in a small seminar with a world famous scholar who if I recall correctly was one of his protégés. So F off.

Apologies. Your post read to me like someone was invoking a Frankfurt School philosopher for the sake of making a cheap political stereotype seem more like an intellectual argument. But it sounds like you've read him for real, so I must be wrong about that. (Turkish protege?) Effing off now!

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that the SLACs are where the athletes and the NARPs can frolic freely together.

Not necessarily. Friend of mine had a son at Williams who said the athlete / rich kid / woke kid / "everyone else" cliques didn't mix much.

so four cliques? jock, rich, woke, and remainder?

I think it’s basically two. Athletes are often from well to do backgrounds so there is a natural overlap with jock and rich. (Some would argue the point of athletics is to attract full pay rich kids.) This woke nonsense has exacerbated the natural divergence between goal oriented athletes and creative/intellectual/dissolute NARPs. Now the NARPs can’t even be reasoned with. My DS at Kenyon is really far from a traditional jock although he plays a sport. But he does find a lot of these NARPs are truly abnormal people- shockingly so. His estimate is about half of them are really off the deep end. I’m happy his social life is centered around the sports/Greek kids (who overlap heavily). This generation may just be a little stranger than previous ones. Raised on iPhones, Covid, the rise of transgenderism/BLM, etc.

I don't even know what this means.

Imagine two boys. One has purple hair, is committed to social justice, enjoys drugs, writes poetry, plays the flute, and considers himself non-binary. Another one plays lacrosse, has a closet full of vineyard vines, enjoys beer and aspires to run a hedge fund. What I’m suggesting is a social paradigm that can be semi-accurately described as a tension between these two extreme poles.

The hedge fund-aspiring vineyard vines kid never does cocaine. Never. It's the poet-flautist who enjoys drugs, see.

Wokeness is to a large extent a reincarnation of 1960s counter culture (led by the same hero, Herbert Marcuse, who preached sexual liberation). So yeah I think the woke kids are the ones messing around with drugs primarily.

You didn’t learn to reason at a LAC, did you?

A few anti-"woke" influencers have mentioned Marcuse lately, always in terms simplistic enough to fit a tidy agenda. My guess is PP read about Marcuse in somebody's substack, or the equivalent.

Funny, PP here, I first read Marcuse as a freshman at the non-Cornell Ivy in a small seminar with a world famous scholar who if I recall correctly was one of his protégés. So F off.

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that the SLACs are where the athletes and the NARPs can frolic freely together.

Not necessarily. Friend of mine had a son at Williams who said the athlete / rich kid / woke kid / "everyone else" cliques didn't mix much.

so four cliques? jock, rich, woke, and remainder?

I think it’s basically two. Athletes are often from well to do backgrounds so there is a natural overlap with jock and rich. (Some would argue the point of athletics is to attract full pay rich kids.) This woke nonsense has exacerbated the natural divergence between goal oriented athletes and creative/intellectual/dissolute NARPs. Now the NARPs can’t even be reasoned with. My DS at Kenyon is really far from a traditional jock although he plays a sport. But he does find a lot of these NARPs are truly abnormal people- shockingly so. His estimate is about half of them are really off the deep end. I’m happy his social life is centered around the sports/Greek kids (who overlap heavily). This generation may just be a little stranger than previous ones. Raised on iPhones, Covid, the rise of transgenderism/BLM, etc.

I don't even know what this means.

Imagine two boys. One has purple hair, is committed to social justice, enjoys drugs, writes poetry, plays the flute, and considers himself non-binary. Another one plays lacrosse, has a closet full of vineyard vines, enjoys beer and aspires to run a hedge fund. What I’m suggesting is a social paradigm that can be semi-accurately described as a tension between these two extreme poles.

The hedge fund-aspiring vineyard vines kid never does cocaine. Never. It's the poet-flautist who enjoys drugs, see.

Wokeness is to a large extent a reincarnation of 1960s counter culture (led by the same hero, Herbert Marcuse, who preached sexual liberation). So yeah I think the woke kids are the ones messing around with drugs primarily.

You didn’t learn to reason at a LAC, did you?

A few anti-"woke" influencers have mentioned Marcuse lately, always in terms simplistic enough to fit a tidy agenda. My guess is PP read about Marcuse in somebody's substack, or the equivalent.