Anonymous
11/26/2023 21:18
Subject: Re:Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you need a lawyer? I did it all myself, even though it was a huge PITA and took a long time.
Which country, maybe I can help you.
We did this for Italy, it’s a PIA but you don’t need to hire someone,
You need to hire an Italian lawyer if you’re a 1948 case.
OP I’m also a 1948 through my father and grandmother. I’m paying around $8,000 for my lawyer including document collection and translations for four of us. But I started a couple of years ago when it was a bit cheaper and we’re about to file our case in the court of Bologna. Lots of good reasons for wanting dual citizenship.
I agree with PP who recommended the Facebook group. They’re extremely helpful for anyone seeking Italian citizenship through JS.
What are these reasons? I guess I lack imagination/awareness so explain it to me like I'm 5...
PP you're quoting here.
1. I plan to retire in Italy. Yes, I can do it without citizenship on an Elective Residency visa (you have to prove passive income of a certain amount), BUT, I couldn't work at all. If I wanted to open a yoga studio, teach English classes, etc., I couldn't. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get a work visa in Italy if you're not an EU citizen. I don't plan to stay idle when I retire - I want to do some sort of work.
2. My DD is very intersted in attending university in an EU country. It is much cheaper as a citizen. You don't have to live there. In fact, I have two nephews and a niece who live in EU countries who are not citizens, and their university tuitions were a fraction of what they would pay in the US. Grad school too.
3. I'm getting citizenship for my DD and my niece and newphew. They will pass this down to all future generations. All will have lots of options on where they can live.
4. DD for sure would like to live and work in an EU country. She is fluent in Spanish and Italian. She can live in any EU country and work as an EU citizen.
5. Last but not least, it is my heritage and I embrace it fully. I speak Italian and have been going to Italy since I was a child as my father and all of my grandparents were from Italy. While this reason has no practical purposes, it means a lot to me personally to have my Italian citizenship.
6. Kind of related - but my DH is from an Asian country and we are also getting green card type status for DD there. She will have lots of options for countries in which she can live and work.
What European universities are your niece and nephew attending that are letting them pay tuition that locals pay, even if they are not residents ?
Anonymous
11/26/2023 21:16
Subject: Re:Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you need a lawyer? I did it all myself, even though it was a huge PITA and took a long time.
Which country, maybe I can help you.
We did this for Italy, it’s a PIA but you don’t need to hire someone,
You need to hire an Italian lawyer if you’re a 1948 case.
OP I’m also a 1948 through my father and grandmother. I’m paying around $8,000 for my lawyer including document collection and translations for four of us. But I started a couple of years ago when it was a bit cheaper and we’re about to file our case in the court of Bologna. Lots of good reasons for wanting dual citizenship.
I agree with PP who recommended the Facebook group. They’re extremely helpful for anyone seeking Italian citizenship through JS.
What are these reasons? I guess I lack imagination/awareness so explain it to me like I'm 5...
PP you're quoting here.
1. I plan to retire in Italy. Yes, I can do it without citizenship on an Elective Residency visa (you have to prove passive income of a certain amount), BUT, I couldn't work at all. If I wanted to open a yoga studio, teach English classes, etc., I couldn't. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get a work visa in Italy if you're not an EU citizen. I don't plan to stay idle when I retire - I want to do some sort of work.
2. My DD is very intersted in attending university in an EU country. It is much cheaper as a citizen. You don't have to live there. In fact, I have two nephews and a niece who live in EU countries who are not citizens, and their university tuitions were a fraction of what they would pay in the US. Grad school too.
3. I'm getting citizenship for my DD and my niece and newphew. They will pass this down to all future generations. All will have lots of options on where they can live.
4. DD for sure would like to live and work in an EU country. She is fluent in Spanish and Italian. She can live in any EU country and work as an EU citizen.
5. Last but not least, it is my heritage and I embrace it fully. I speak Italian and have been going to Italy since I was a child as my father and all of my grandparents were from Italy. While this reason has no practical purposes, it means a lot to me personally to have my Italian citizenship.
6. Kind of related - but my DH is from an Asian country and we are also getting green card type status for DD there. She will have lots of options for countries in which she can live and work.
Regarding #2 above, I have looked into this extensively and very few European universities let you pay in country tuition unless you live there. This goes for Italy. Any reputable Italian uni will make you pay international tuition if you are not a resident living there, even if you have citizenship. Almost all other European countries do the same.
Have you looked into this?
Anonymous
11/26/2023 20:36
Subject: Re:Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you need a lawyer? I did it all myself, even though it was a huge PITA and took a long time.
Which country, maybe I can help you.
We did this for Italy, it’s a PIA but you don’t need to hire someone,
You need to hire an Italian lawyer if you’re a 1948 case.
OP I’m also a 1948 through my father and grandmother. I’m paying around $8,000 for my lawyer including document collection and translations for four of us. But I started a couple of years ago when it was a bit cheaper and we’re about to file our case in the court of Bologna. Lots of good reasons for wanting dual citizenship.
I agree with PP who recommended the Facebook group. They’re extremely helpful for anyone seeking Italian citizenship through JS.
What are these reasons? I guess I lack imagination/awareness so explain it to me like I'm 5...
Canadian dual citizen here: I’m sorting out dual citizenship for my kids because we’re planning to move back to Canada next year. I want them to come into the country as citizens to avoid paperwork down the line. I’ve maintained my citizenship all my life because I wanted to keep the option open for moving there and because I have an emotional connection to it as my country of origin even though my parents moved to the US when I was very young. Most of my extended family still lives in Canada.
Trivial benefits of dual citizenship include: randomly deciding which customs line to go into based on which is shorter, being able to travel on the passport that’s more socially/politically inoffensive in your destination, always having a valid passport even when you’ve sent one off to be renewed, etc.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 20:35
Subject: Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Considering getting dual citizenship in another country (in the EU). How much do you think is worth spending on this prospect? I was quoted more than $15,000 (legal fees, gathering documents, translating etc…) for a family of 3 (spouse not included in this). Seems high, but not necessarily a deal breaker.
I know this decision is very personal depending on life goals…but where would you draw the line at financing dual citizenship? Appreciate your thoughts/considerations.
I think it I would be worth it. You will have options to live and work in over 30 countries.
Immigration law is complicated and hard to navigate without good legal help.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 20:32
Subject: Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have British /US dual citizenship. I wouldn’t pay 5k for my American DD to get British citizenship because I don’t see a financial advantage. If she wants to go to school there cos will be the same because I pay US taxes not British.
I guess it depends on your income, whether it’s worth it or not, for me it wouldn’t be.
I agree that this is a very personal decision. For example, for us, the kids are going to study in the UK and we will pay foreign fees. But as uk citizens, they will be able to live and work in the UK after graduating, if they want, whereas us citizens can only do that if they get jobs paying certain incomes, which may well change in the future.
I guess my view comes from having partly Jewish ancestry, and the lesson from them was that the insurance of having different options can, at the right time, be priceless.
Not that I think it likely that anything is going to happen here. But thinking about the next election, and Trump, the chance of things going to shit is not zero.
I'm considering this, but out of fear of the progressive left's growing power. They're very anti-Semitic. Please open your eyes.
I can’t believe this after seeing how anti-Semitic London is
Anonymous
11/26/2023 20:30
Subject: Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
She’s truly fluent in Italian and Spanish? How did you make that happen? Where did you get her language tested so she could put that on college apps/resume.
Thx
Thx
Anonymous
11/26/2023 20:12
Subject: Re:Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you need a lawyer? I did it all myself, even though it was a huge PITA and took a long time.
Which country, maybe I can help you.
We did this for Italy, it’s a PIA but you don’t need to hire someone,
You need to hire an Italian lawyer if you’re a 1948 case.
OP I’m also a 1948 through my father and grandmother. I’m paying around $8,000 for my lawyer including document collection and translations for four of us. But I started a couple of years ago when it was a bit cheaper and we’re about to file our case in the court of Bologna. Lots of good reasons for wanting dual citizenship.
I agree with PP who recommended the Facebook group. They’re extremely helpful for anyone seeking Italian citizenship through JS.
What are these reasons? I guess I lack imagination/awareness so explain it to me like I'm 5...
PP you're quoting here.
1. I plan to retire in Italy. Yes, I can do it without citizenship on an Elective Residency visa (you have to prove passive income of a certain amount), BUT, I couldn't work at all. If I wanted to open a yoga studio, teach English classes, etc., I couldn't. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get a work visa in Italy if you're not an EU citizen. I don't plan to stay idle when I retire - I want to do some sort of work.
2. My DD is very intersted in attending university in an EU country. It is much cheaper as a citizen. You don't have to live there. In fact, I have two nephews and a niece who live in EU countries who are not citizens, and their university tuitions were a fraction of what they would pay in the US. Grad school too.
3. I'm getting citizenship for my DD and my niece and newphew. They will pass this down to all future generations. All will have lots of options on where they can live.
4. DD for sure would like to live and work in an EU country. She is fluent in Spanish and Italian. She can live in any EU country and work as an EU citizen.
5. Last but not least, it is my heritage and I embrace it fully. I speak Italian and have been going to Italy since I was a child as my father and all of my grandparents were from Italy. While this reason has no practical purposes, it means a lot to me personally to have my Italian citizenship.
6. Kind of related - but my DH is from an Asian country and we are also getting green card type status for DD there. She will have lots of options for countries in which she can live and work.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 15:19
Subject: Re:Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you need a lawyer? I did it all myself, even though it was a huge PITA and took a long time.
Which country, maybe I can help you.
We did this for Italy, it’s a PIA but you don’t need to hire someone,
You need to hire an Italian lawyer if you’re a 1948 case.
OP I’m also a 1948 through my father and grandmother. I’m paying around $8,000 for my lawyer including document collection and translations for four of us. But I started a couple of years ago when it was a bit cheaper and we’re about to file our case in the court of Bologna. Lots of good reasons for wanting dual citizenship.
I agree with PP who recommended the Facebook group. They’re extremely helpful for anyone seeking Italian citizenship through JS.
What are these reasons? I guess I lack imagination/awareness so explain it to me like I'm 5...
I’d like to know as well. I have dual citizenship in a EU country and don’t see any benefits. Yes, it’s nice to have “options,” but as a US citizen I’m unlikely to need those options. My friend in the UK, on the other hand, would love to have EU citizenship.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 14:57
Subject: Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What places let Americans get duel citizenship and all you have to do is pay money?
I think most people on this thread have a claim to the citizenship via the country’s ancestry laws and the money is spent on gathering/submitting the the documentation of it. It’s not like $ in citizenship out for anyone.
This is so old country. Ours is done online, cheaply, and fast. My kids got their passports delivered to US. They never set foot abroad.
Everything takes longer in Southern Europe.
University is ca $3k a year for IT for foreigner students. If the kids are citizens and register with local address, school is free.
Nobody cares where parents pay their taxes which would be the US for us.
You’ve obviously never dealt with the US immigration service. We shelled out over $5,000 for fees and lawyer costs for my DS’s green card application and suddenly the wait time has gone from 2.5 to 13 years di we will probably have to just abandon the application.
Yes, without doubt the US is the most archaic, unpleasant and arbitrary. It is a nightmare to deal with. UK wasn't fun, but was much easier.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 14:55
Subject: Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have British /US dual citizenship. I wouldn’t pay 5k for my American DD to get British citizenship because I don’t see a financial advantage. If she wants to go to school there cos will be the same because I pay US taxes not British.
I guess it depends on your income, whether it’s worth it or not, for me it wouldn’t be.
I agree that this is a very personal decision. For example, for us, the kids are going to study in the UK and we will pay foreign fees. But as uk citizens, they will be able to live and work in the UK after graduating, if they want, whereas us citizens can only do that if they get jobs paying certain incomes, which may well change in the future.
I guess my view comes from having partly Jewish ancestry, and the lesson from them was that the insurance of having different options can, at the right time, be priceless.
Not that I think it likely that anything is going to happen here. But thinking about the next election, and Trump, the chance of things going to shit is not zero.
I'm considering this, but out of fear of the progressive left's growing power. They're very anti-Semitic. Please open your eyes.
But where would you go?
PP here. I would need to look into whether I could gather the required documentation for any of the countries where my family lived. It's very challenging to gather the documentation due to the history.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 14:28
Subject: Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have British /US dual citizenship. I wouldn’t pay 5k for my American DD to get British citizenship because I don’t see a financial advantage. If she wants to go to school there cos will be the same because I pay US taxes not British.
I guess it depends on your income, whether it’s worth it or not, for me it wouldn’t be.
I agree that this is a very personal decision. For example, for us, the kids are going to study in the UK and we will pay foreign fees. But as uk citizens, they will be able to live and work in the UK after graduating, if they want, whereas us citizens can only do that if they get jobs paying certain incomes, which may well change in the future.
I guess my view comes from having partly Jewish ancestry, and the lesson from them was that the insurance of having different options can, at the right time, be priceless.
Not that I think it likely that anything is going to happen here. But thinking about the next election, and Trump, the chance of things going to shit is not zero.
I'm considering this, but out of fear of the progressive left's growing power. They're very anti-Semitic. Please open your eyes.
But where would you go?
I would go to Israel!
Seems like a really safe bet right now, good idea!
Anonymous
11/26/2023 14:23
Subject: Re:Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you need a lawyer? I did it all myself, even though it was a huge PITA and took a long time.
Which country, maybe I can help you.
We did this for Italy, it’s a PIA but you don’t need to hire someone,
You need to hire an Italian lawyer if you’re a 1948 case.
OP I’m also a 1948 through my father and grandmother. I’m paying around $8,000 for my lawyer including document collection and translations for four of us. But I started a couple of years ago when it was a bit cheaper and we’re about to file our case in the court of Bologna. Lots of good reasons for wanting dual citizenship.
I agree with PP who recommended the Facebook group. They’re extremely helpful for anyone seeking Italian citizenship through JS.
What are these reasons? I guess I lack imagination/awareness so explain it to me like I'm 5...
Anonymous
11/26/2023 13:07
Subject: Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
$15k to process three legitimate EU citizenships sounds like a bargain to me.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 13:01
Subject: Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Sometimes it’s worth giving just to keep your options open. Who knows how things end up further down the track? My DH regrets . not getting his Irish citizenship before our children were born as he could have passed that on to them and they would have EU access. He didn’t think they needed that as they had British citizenship – we know how that turned out.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 12:31
Subject: Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: On the Italian citizenship-my grandfather and great grandparents became naturalized US many years before my birth. I can't figure out if I can claim citizenship or not.
What matters is when the first generation was born vis a vis the immigrant's naturalization date. As long as the immigrant hadn't naturalized at the time of the first generation's birth, the citizenship line is unbroken. It gets complicated if it passes through a female relative pre-1948, though. Get the dates and visit the Facebook group, i think they have a flowchart for eligibility. Here is their site if you're not on Facebook: https://dualusitalian.com/
Thank you for this explanation-I will gather dates and see if it's a possibility.