Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:59     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
You are wasting your time talking about test scores. The equity people have said these are all scores under the old admissions, the new students are better. They hope the new students will score better, but they know their lies will catch up to them. When the new students come in with lower scores, they will claim COVID, or mainly that the old system selected for students who were better at standardized tests, so of course the new students will have lower scores.
Since colleges have also started deemphasizing SAT to help with their affirmative action admissions, TJ might get better college admissions results from the weaker crop of students, and they will hang their hat on that.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:39     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1


My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.


With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!


That's exactly why TJ student stats are so much higher now than just a few years ago. The new process selected based on talent not prep and early test access.


huh? TJ student stats (for the classes under new admissions process) are so much LOWER now because of the new admissions process. The mean PSAT for juniors class of 2025 (the first class under new admissions) is around 1350. That is low! esp compared to class of 2024 at 89 points higher. There will definitely be a huge drop in NMSF when cut offs are announced next year

That is super low! My non-TJ 10th grader decided to go into the test completely blind this year, since it's just practice for her. She scored quite a bit higher than the TJ average for 11th graders. There's going to be a huge drop in NMSF and commended students at TJ next year.


Yup. You can thank the school board and TJ admin. College admissions will be terrible too. Parents need to.opt their kids out of chasing TJ if they are not strong enough students. You are only hurting them.


That's a stretch. Scores are down across the board because of covid. The impact on TJ students is proportional.

PSAT scores are not down across the board. The NMSF selection index is not likely to be significantly lower than in previous years.


Not for seniors but way down for juniors.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 10:19     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1


My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.


With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!


That's exactly why TJ student stats are so much higher now than just a few years ago. The new process selected based on talent not prep and early test access.


huh? TJ student stats (for the classes under new admissions process) are so much LOWER now because of the new admissions process. The mean PSAT for juniors class of 2025 (the first class under new admissions) is around 1350. That is low! esp compared to class of 2024 at 89 points higher. There will definitely be a huge drop in NMSF when cut offs are announced next year

That is super low! My non-TJ 10th grader decided to go into the test completely blind this year, since it's just practice for her. She scored quite a bit higher than the TJ average for 11th graders. There's going to be a huge drop in NMSF and commended students at TJ next year.


Yup. You can thank the school board and TJ admin. College admissions will be terrible too. Parents need to.opt their kids out of chasing TJ if they are not strong enough students. You are only hurting them.


That's a stretch. Scores are down across the board because of covid. The impact on TJ students is proportional.

PSAT scores are not down across the board. The NMSF selection index is not likely to be significantly lower than in previous years.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 09:06     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
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Anonymous wrote:There are still genius level type kids there but I’d argue a lot less than under the old admissions process. There are also a lot more students who are not as high performing. I’m a bit surprised that my child knew more than a few friends who had to repeat a math class.


DC who is at TJ says that's not true, but does believe the school is a lot less toxic now that they reformed the selection process and cut back on the cheaters.


I have 2 at TJ and they both said there are a lot more students now who are what they would describe as average to above average vs higher concentration at the exceptional level (class of 2024 and earlier). They mention lazy classmates which frustrates teachers and friends/classmates who are struggling academically.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 08:37     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
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Anonymous wrote:So TJ class 2025's PTSA score is 89 points lower than TJ class 2024.

Does it mean TJ class 2025 is full of idiots?

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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1


My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.


With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!

This is not true.

SOLs for the new admissions cohort are lower than previous years by quite a lot. Also, level of math acceleration is lower than previous cohorts. And soon, PSAT scores will probably reveal a drop in scores. We shall see.

It’s OK the admissions were changed to include a more diverse set of kids, but there is no need to make up things about the scores.


PSAT result is already out - Class of 2025 has a fluctuation of 113 (Max score: 1520) in mean score from pre-pandemic (class of 2019) and difference of 89 from class of 2024. It is lower from previous years but not a very huge difference. Anyways PSAT is not a measure of in-nate talent.


Are these TJ numbers? 113 out of 1520 is a large difference and would make the difference between commended vs nmsf.


No, not idiots at all. Several individual 2025 students are stronger than 2024 students, but as a class they are much weaker. So there is more of a gap between the top and bottom than before.

Is this claim based on any data or just feelings?


Feelings, gossip and anecdotes mostly.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 08:37     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
Anonymous wrote:There are still genius level type kids there but I’d argue a lot less than under the old admissions process. There are also a lot more students who are not as high performing. I’m a bit surprised that my child knew more than a few friends who had to repeat a math class.


DC who is at TJ says that's not true, but does believe the school is a lot less toxic now that they reformed the selection process and cut back on the cheaters.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 08:36     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1


My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.


With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!


That's exactly why TJ student stats are so much higher now than just a few years ago. The new process selected based on talent not prep and early test access.


huh? TJ student stats (for the classes under new admissions process) are so much LOWER now because of the new admissions process. The mean PSAT for juniors class of 2025 (the first class under new admissions) is around 1350. That is low! esp compared to class of 2024 at 89 points higher. There will definitely be a huge drop in NMSF when cut offs are announced next year

That is super low! My non-TJ 10th grader decided to go into the test completely blind this year, since it's just practice for her. She scored quite a bit higher than the TJ average for 11th graders. There's going to be a huge drop in NMSF and commended students at TJ next year.


Yup. You can thank the school board and TJ admin. College admissions will be terrible too. Parents need to.opt their kids out of chasing TJ if they are not strong enough students. You are only hurting them.


That's a stretch. Scores are down across the board because of covid. The impact on TJ students is proportional.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 00:08     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
There are still genius level type kids there but I’d argue a lot less than under the old admissions process. There are also a lot more students who are not as high performing. I’m a bit surprised that my child knew more than a few friends who had to repeat a math class.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2023 19:05     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
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Anonymous wrote:So TJ class 2025's PTSA score is 89 points lower than TJ class 2024.

Does it mean TJ class 2025 is full of idiots?

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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1


My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.


With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!

This is not true.

SOLs for the new admissions cohort are lower than previous years by quite a lot. Also, level of math acceleration is lower than previous cohorts. And soon, PSAT scores will probably reveal a drop in scores. We shall see.

It’s OK the admissions were changed to include a more diverse set of kids, but there is no need to make up things about the scores.


PSAT result is already out - Class of 2025 has a fluctuation of 113 (Max score: 1520) in mean score from pre-pandemic (class of 2019) and difference of 89 from class of 2024. It is lower from previous years but not a very huge difference. Anyways PSAT is not a measure of in-nate talent.


Are these TJ numbers? 113 out of 1520 is a large difference and would make the difference between commended vs nmsf.


No, not idiots at all. Several individual 2025 students are stronger than 2024 students, but as a class they are much weaker. So there is more of a gap between the top and bottom than before.

Is this claim based on any data or just feelings?
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2023 16:05     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
Anonymous wrote:So TJ class 2025's PTSA score is 89 points lower than TJ class 2024.

Does it mean TJ class 2025 is full of idiots?

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1


My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.


With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!

This is not true.

SOLs for the new admissions cohort are lower than previous years by quite a lot. Also, level of math acceleration is lower than previous cohorts. And soon, PSAT scores will probably reveal a drop in scores. We shall see.

It’s OK the admissions were changed to include a more diverse set of kids, but there is no need to make up things about the scores.


PSAT result is already out - Class of 2025 has a fluctuation of 113 (Max score: 1520) in mean score from pre-pandemic (class of 2019) and difference of 89 from class of 2024. It is lower from previous years but not a very huge difference. Anyways PSAT is not a measure of in-nate talent.


Are these TJ numbers? 113 out of 1520 is a large difference and would make the difference between commended vs nmsf.


No, not idiots at all. Several individual 2025 students are stronger than 2024 students, but as a class they are much weaker. So there is more of a gap between the top and bottom than before.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2023 16:04     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
Anonymous wrote:So TJ class 2025's PTSA score is 89 points lower than TJ class 2024.

Does it mean TJ class 2025 is full of idiots?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1


My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.


With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!

This is not true.

SOLs for the new admissions cohort are lower than previous years by quite a lot. Also, level of math acceleration is lower than previous cohorts. And soon, PSAT scores will probably reveal a drop in scores. We shall see.

It’s OK the admissions were changed to include a more diverse set of kids, but there is no need to make up things about the scores.


PSAT result is already out - Class of 2025 has a fluctuation of 113 (Max score: 1520) in mean score from pre-pandemic (class of 2019) and difference of 89 from class of 2024. It is lower from previous years but not a very huge difference. Anyways PSAT is not a measure of in-nate talent.


Are these TJ numbers? 113 out of 1520 is a large difference and would make the difference between commended vs nmsf.


I dont know, but you certainly are an idiot for sure!
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2023 15:25     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
So TJ class 2025's PTSA score is 89 points lower than TJ class 2024.

Does it mean TJ class 2025 is full of idiots?

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1


My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.


With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!

This is not true.

SOLs for the new admissions cohort are lower than previous years by quite a lot. Also, level of math acceleration is lower than previous cohorts. And soon, PSAT scores will probably reveal a drop in scores. We shall see.

It’s OK the admissions were changed to include a more diverse set of kids, but there is no need to make up things about the scores.


PSAT result is already out - Class of 2025 has a fluctuation of 113 (Max score: 1520) in mean score from pre-pandemic (class of 2019) and difference of 89 from class of 2024. It is lower from previous years but not a very huge difference. Anyways PSAT is not a measure of in-nate talent.


Are these TJ numbers? 113 out of 1520 is a large difference and would make the difference between commended vs nmsf.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2023 22:39     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1


My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.


With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!


That's exactly why TJ student stats are so much higher now than just a few years ago. The new process selected based on talent not prep and early test access.


huh? TJ student stats (for the classes under new admissions process) are so much LOWER now because of the new admissions process. The mean PSAT for juniors class of 2025 (the first class under new admissions) is around 1350. That is low! esp compared to class of 2024 at 89 points higher. There will definitely be a huge drop in NMSF when cut offs are announced next year

That is super low! My non-TJ 10th grader decided to go into the test completely blind this year, since it's just practice for her. She scored quite a bit higher than the TJ average for 11th graders. There's going to be a huge drop in NMSF and commended students at TJ next year.


Yup. You can thank the school board and TJ admin. College admissions will be terrible too. Parents need to.opt their kids out of chasing TJ if they are not strong enough students. You are only hurting them.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2023 21:34     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:2 of my friends said their kids who recently graduated from TJ had GPA in the high 4.4 to high 4.5 range (straight As) and about 7 AP/post AP classes through junior year which is about standard for the “most rigorous” course load at TJ. Sure there will be a handful of kids with a few more but that is about the most a kid can take at TJ given the number of AP courses offered and other course requirements and restrictions (esp compared to base FCPS schools). Difference can be if a kid took band/orchestra etc (unweighted courses until this year but for current students their transcripts will be adjusted) and language.

Some students don’t take a language (place out through language credit exam) or just take a year or two (including AP level) and instead take more weighted classes which can increase the GPA vs a kid who takes 3 years of a language (unweighted) starting with level 1


My kid graduated with all As (only As and A+s) from TJ several years ago. He had taken about 9-10 APs/post-APs by end of his junior year and the weighted gpa was around 4.57. He was in the top 10% and probably in the top 1%.


With the new admission process, the bar is much higher now. The kid's scores are through the roof!!


That's exactly why TJ student stats are so much higher now than just a few years ago. The new process selected based on talent not prep and early test access.


huh? TJ student stats (for the classes under new admissions process) are so much LOWER now because of the new admissions process. The mean PSAT for juniors class of 2025 (the first class under new admissions) is around 1350. That is low! esp compared to class of 2024 at 89 points higher. There will definitely be a huge drop in NMSF when cut offs are announced next year

That is super low! My non-TJ 10th grader decided to go into the test completely blind this year, since it's just practice for her. She scored quite a bit higher than the TJ average for 11th graders. There's going to be a huge drop in NMSF and commended students at TJ next year.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2023 14:51     Subject: Top 10% at TJ
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:About many TJ kids in a given class have a 4.5+ GPA at the end of senior year?


very few. less than 10%

see this - page 2 gpa range. 3.2 to 4.6

https://tjhsst.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/inline-files/2022-23%20TJHSST%20Profile_0.pdf


The top 10% is not documented anywhere. Only a counselor may know it or maybe a FOIA


The counselor should let seniors know about the GPA relative ranking, top how many percentiles at the end of their junior year before they apply for colleges. Now we are completely blindfolded and do not know where to aim for targetted schools.