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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that people are still aggressively anti-fur because it seems like it would be pretty easy to raise fur animals in a way that would meet or exceed our standards for food animals and except for the potential for animal cruelty, it seems relatively unobjectionable to me.

Mostly I don’t have any because it’s expensive and it’s not that cold here. But I don’t really have an ethical objection, or at least having one would be inexorably hypocritical of me.

I mean… they’re skinned alive most of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Those who are so adamant that fur coats are "gross" and condemn those of us who like them, do you know how all of your clothes are made? How much of it is made in China in deplorable working conditions? Can you guarantee that no one was expoliteed for the clothes you wear?

People have voices. These animals do not. The animals are kept in cages where they can barely walk for their entire lives, only to face murder in brutal ways. Can you stop with the whataboutism? Fur is awful.

You think people who are starving have much choice about what they do for a meal? Also, how do you think the chicken in the grocery store is raised?

I am not playing Whataboutism with you. There will always be bigger subjects and worse situations. We are discussing fur to be worn when there are hundreds of other options of coats. Fur is only worn in the DMV for fashion, we do not live in Alaska. Chicken is also mistreated, if you'd like to discuss that, start a thread in the Food or Off-topic forum, not Beauty and Fashion.

Sure. But know that you sound really, really dumb when you make fur coats a moral failing while being blissfully ignorant or choosing to ignore the rest of the fashion and clothing industry.

I am not doing that, I am saying to start another thread if you want to have a discussion about other kinds of clothing. They are all evil, but fur is the worst of them. This thread is about fur. And no, I do not sound "really, really dumb". Many people on the thread agree with me and only you have called me "really, really dumb". I think you sound sad and pathetic, maybe start a thread about your state of mind in health/medicine.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Those who are so adamant that fur coats are "gross" and condemn those of us who like them, do you know how all of your clothes are made? How much of it is made in China in deplorable working conditions? Can you guarantee that no one was expoliteed for the clothes you wear?

People have voices. These animals do not. The animals are kept in cages where they can barely walk for their entire lives, only to face murder in brutal ways. Can you stop with the whataboutism? Fur is awful.

You think people who are starving have much choice about what they do for a meal? Also, how do you think the chicken in the grocery store is raised?

I am not playing Whataboutism with you. There will always be bigger subjects and worse situations. We are discussing fur to be worn when there are hundreds of other options of coats. Fur is only worn in the DMV for fashion, we do not live in Alaska. Chicken is also mistreated, if you'd like to discuss that, start a thread in the Food or Off-topic forum, not Beauty and Fashion.

Sure. But know that you sound really, really dumb when you make fur coats a moral failing while being blissfully ignorant or choosing to ignore the rest of the fashion and clothing industry.

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that people are still aggressively anti-fur because it seems like it would be pretty easy to raise fur animals in a way that would meet or exceed our standards for food animals and except for the potential for animal cruelty, it seems relatively unobjectionable to me.

Mostly I don’t have any because it’s expensive and it’s not that cold here. But I don’t really have an ethical objection, or at least having one would be inexorably hypocritical of me.

Anonymous wrote:Are all of you fur advocates also swilling martinis at lunch and smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day? That is what wearing fur is equivalent to.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Those who are so adamant that fur coats are "gross" and condemn those of us who like them, do you know how all of your clothes are made? How much of it is made in China in deplorable working conditions? Can you guarantee that no one was expoliteed for the clothes you wear?

People have voices. These animals do not. The animals are kept in cages where they can barely walk for their entire lives, only to face murder in brutal ways. Can you stop with the whataboutism? Fur is awful.

You think people who are starving have much choice about what they do for a meal? Also, how do you think the chicken in the grocery store is raised?

I am not playing Whataboutism with you. There will always be bigger subjects and worse situations. We are discussing fur to be worn when there are hundreds of other options of coats. Fur is only worn in the DMV for fashion, we do not live in Alaska. Chicken is also mistreated, if you'd like to discuss that, start a thread in the Food or Off-topic forum, not Beauty and Fashion.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Those who are so adamant that fur coats are "gross" and condemn those of us who like them, do you know how all of your clothes are made? How much of it is made in China in deplorable working conditions? Can you guarantee that no one was expoliteed for the clothes you wear?

People have voices. These animals do not. The animals are kept in cages where they can barely walk for their entire lives, only to face murder in brutal ways. Can you stop with the whataboutism? Fur is awful.

You think people who are starving have much choice about what they do for a meal? Also, how do you think the chicken in the grocery store is raised?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm intrigued by the poster on the first page who said it's a deal breaker for prospective dates. I'm in my early 40s and I cannot think most men even contemplate the prospects of a woman their age wearing fur because virtually no woman under 60 wears fur. That's how rare it is. Calling it a dealbreaker is one of those errr, ok moment that does make me question his suitability as a prospective date for very different reasons. Assuming I was on the market

As it is, my 75 y/o mother has two inherited fur coats from her mother's generation. One was a very expensive mink, the other a lesser quality mink. She used to bring out the big mink for Christmas eve services but hasn't done so in a few years. Who knows what will happen to these. They are gorgeous.

I was in the Vicenza region of Italy during the holidays and I was shocked at how many women wore furs. Many women over the age of 60 wore long furs riding their bikes to shops in town and to the markets. A lot of 80 year olds wore long furs riding their bikes to the markets. I suspect these furs are worn every day, year after year and would have been very valuable when purchased. Eighty year old women in Italy saw a lot as children during WWII and post WWII Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering, it it also verboten to wear a leather coat?

Leather is a byproduct of meat and it doesn't take dozens of cows to make a single coat. Fur requires 50-60 dead minks and there is no market for the meat

Yah, but they are just little dumb rodents so who cares.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering, it it also verboten to wear a leather coat?

Leather is a byproduct of meat and it doesn't take dozens of cows to make a single coat. Fur requires 50-60 dead minks and there is no market for the meat

Anonymous wrote:I have a couple of fur coats (inherited from grandparents) that I'd like to donate. It seems silly to destroy them when someone else might be able to use them. Does anyone know of anywhere that would accept fur coat (and hat) donations?