Anonymous
10/26/2023 15:12
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Worst" is such a nebulous term.
Yes but degree choices offered very plausible criteria
Very low graduation rates
Very Low income later down the road
Remaining in debt most of lives despite receiving little gains from the education
And even though some PPs noted that the government data was sometimes out of date. That is no doubt true / but we need more credible research into reasons for low graduation rates and high student debt among students who don’t even graduate.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 15:11
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Worst" is such a nebulous term.
Yes but degree choices offered very plausible criteria
Very low graduation rates
Very Low income later down the road
Remaining in debt most of lives despite receiving little gains from the education
I'm 20 years out with a 3.8 GPA from a Big 10 engineering program and only make $90k, with no student loan debt (parents paid). So what? It reflects on lifestyle choices I made post-graduation, not the school.
Is your age a typo? I don't think $90 K for a new college grad is "only $90K". But I do think $90K for 7-8-9 years experience in engineering is on the low side.
PS, if you graduated from college at age 20, well done!
I'm 20 years out - i.e., I graduated 20 years ago. My salary is poor for my education level and years in industry, and my university's rating absolutely should not suffer for it.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 15:07
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Worst" is such a nebulous term.
Yes but degree choices offered very plausible criteria
Very low graduation rates
Very Low income later down the road
Remaining in debt most of lives despite receiving little gains from the education
I'm 20 years out with a 3.8 GPA from a Big 10 engineering program and only make $90k, with no student loan debt (parents paid). So what? It reflects on lifestyle choices I made post-graduation, not the school.
Do you hear your privilege ? Your parents paid your school fees. You graduated from a top school zero debt.
Many of these students don’t have parents paying their tuition and don’t even graduate.
All things being equal I agree it is up to each of us to make good choices - but many are starting from behind home base - not even on the field.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 14:13
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Worst" is such a nebulous term.
Yes but degree choices offered very plausible criteria
Very low graduation rates
Very Low income later down the road
Remaining in debt most of lives despite receiving little gains from the education
I'm 20 years out with a 3.8 GPA from a Big 10 engineering program and only make $90k, with no student loan debt (parents paid). So what? It reflects on lifestyle choices I made post-graduation, not the school.
Is your age a typo? I don't think $90 K for a new college grad is "only $90K". But I do think $90K for 7-8-9 years experience in engineering is on the low side.
PS, if you graduated from college at age 20, well done!
Anonymous
10/26/2023 13:55
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Whomever writes worst list for anything can go kiss it. But for this list, any institution on this list still has excellent teachers and students busting their behinds to build a future for themselves. Would rather hire them than some entitled schmuck with an oversized ego.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 13:29
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Worst" is such a nebulous term.
Yes but degree choices offered very plausible criteria
Very low graduation rates
Very Low income later down the road
Remaining in debt most of lives despite receiving little gains from the education
This criteria actually makes sense to me why HBCU are more likely to be on the list. They have a higher percentage of black students.
Very low graduation rates: Black students are more likely to come from lower income families and have to drop out due to financial pressures. They are also more likely to be first generation college students, which has been extensively tied to lower graduation rates.
Very low income later down the road: Black graduates are more likely to face discrimination in salaries that can compound over years.
Remaining in debt: This is very likely to be tied to family income, which is lower for black families. It's a lot easier to get out of college debt when you come from a higher income family, especially if you find yourself having to help out family members financially.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 13:28
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Never have so many people danced around racial issues as in this discussion.
Racial or economic? Strictly, it would appear to be the latter.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 13:28
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Worst" is such a nebulous term.
Yes but degree choices offered very plausible criteria
Very low graduation rates
Very Low income later down the road
Remaining in debt most of lives despite receiving little gains from the education
I'm 20 years out with a 3.8 GPA from a Big 10 engineering program and only make $90k, with no student loan debt (parents paid). So what? It reflects on lifestyle choices I made post-graduation, not the school.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 13:16
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:"Worst" is such a nebulous term.
Yes but degree choices offered very plausible criteria
Very low graduation rates
Very Low income later down the road
Remaining in debt most of lives despite receiving little gains from the education
Anonymous
10/26/2023 13:02
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Never have so many people danced around racial issues as in this discussion.
Well the data points to a multifaceted issue, with a lot of factors which impacts the outcome, much more complex than simply saying "racial issues".
In most cases like these, labeling one thing as the "root of all problems", is usually wrong.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 12:08
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Never have so many people danced around racial issues as in this discussion.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 11:44
Subject: Re:Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:A more consistent ranking for worst US colleges was prepared by Degree Choices and relied on government data.
These are the 42 worst colleges in America 2023
Degree Choices measured college economic performance and graduation rates to create its list of the worst universities. They claim
* Outrageously low earnings after graduation
* Alumni who are in debt for most of their lives
* Disturbingly low graduation rates
University name Economic score
1. Berklee College of Music 20.9
2. Alabama State University 14.4
3. Florida National University 14.0
4. Clark Atlanta University 13.2
5. Herzing University, Madison 12.1
6. Grambling State University 11.9
7. Keiser University, Ft Lauderdale 11.9
8. Academy of Art University 11.8
9. Benedict College 11.1
10. Claflin University 10.3
11. Central State University 10.1
12. New England College 10.1
13. Savannah College of Art and Design 9.7
14. Sullivan University 9.7
15. South Carolina State University 9.6
16. Tuskegee University 9.5
17. Texas Southern University 9.4
18. School of Visual Arts 9.3
19. Bethune-Cookman University 9.0
20. ECPI University 8.8
21. Alcorn State University 8.
If you wish to see the full research, as it wasn't linked:
https://www.degreechoices.com/blog/worst-colleges-in-america/
That shebudget "research" seems not consistent and not really in-depth compared to this.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 11:38
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:A couple of these are arts schools - Berklee and SCAD, of course their post-grad earnings are low!
SCAD pretty much accepts anyone who can pay though. So they’re not all talented and some aren’t prepared for the extra expenses of art classes.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 11:08
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism
So since it is a black college, you ignore the low score metrics?
That's racism.
DP: Given that graduation rates correlated with low income and black students have a much higher chance of being low income, a basic analysis should compare their performance to how black populations do at other schools. It would be telling if the metrics were worse for an equivalent black student with the same SES level at a predominately white institution. My guess is that they wouldn't be so low with even the basic level of statistical controls.
Similarly with art schools--how do they compare with graduates of art majors at non-arts schools.
The information posted above comparing Howard to University of Arizona seems to show that when comparing a PWI school to an HBCU with similar entrance criteria the outcome is almost identical. It would be hard to compare some of the lower performing HBCUs against PWI institutions because there aren't that many PWI schools with equivalently low GPA/SAT entrance requirements.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 11:07
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:What is Purdue University Global? How is High Point not on this list?
Regarding High Point, their grad rate is decent. Not that surprising. I'd expect them to provide A LOT of intervention to students.
According to College Factual, High Point's 6-year grad rate is 63% (with most of that 37% transferring to other schools). https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/high-point-university/academic-life/graduation-and-retention/
I picked Grambling (also on the list) as a comparison. Their 6-year grad rate is 37%, with only a small amount transferring (3%). https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/grambling-state-university/academic-life/graduation-and-retention/