Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 17:10     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS don’t worship Trump.





Just one of a million examples.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 17:08     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.


Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?


These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.


Even average people that couldn't even describe the meaning of DEI know that Trump is a criminal.


Yes, average people love sitting through those useless DEI trainings at work...


Given the random harassment and attacks of American Jews because of what is happening in the middle east, or because of the right wing indoctrination of SOROS SOROS SOROS and Jewish Space Lasers, it seems clear we still need those trainings.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 17:07     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.


Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?


These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.


You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.


You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.


Ah, but here is the rub. MAGA are the ones who staged a coup. After that, you can complain about the left and their policies until the cows come home. No one who actually loves their country tries to overturn an election in a violent manner, particularly now, in hindsight, when we see the planners and plotters admitting it was all a lie. Shocking that you somehow still think it was a fake election and that the coup plotters are still patriots.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 17:04     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

MAGAS don’t worship Trump.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:40     Subject: Re:When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

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Anonymous wrote:I think some people are upset they are catching heat for expressing opinions that are clearly the product of ignorance, and often malicious ignorance.

If you are going to open your mouth and claim space in the public sphere, try to inform yourself first. No shame in asking questions or not being 100% informed, but stop pretending your half-baked uninformed opinion is worthy of some special deference or respect.


Yeah right. "Just asking questions" are words used to ridicule and silence these days. It's literally a shaming phrase.

There is also the BS about not having the obligation to "enact the labor" of informing someone of why you think they are misguided.

Unquestioned loyalty and obeisance are the only acceptable actions.


Fair point, to a limit.

Some of these things have been settled a long time ago and don’t even warrant discussion anymore. For example, if you don’t want to inform yourself why poor people are also more likely to be fat now, don’t make a stupid song about it and pretend you’re some enlightened independent.


OP here (not PP), I mean the newish conflicts and situations and dilemmas.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:38     Subject: Re:When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:I think some people are upset they are catching heat for expressing opinions that are clearly the product of ignorance, and often malicious ignorance.

If you are going to open your mouth and claim space in the public sphere, try to inform yourself first. No shame in asking questions or not being 100% informed, but stop pretending your half-baked uninformed opinion is worthy of some special deference or respect.


I mean, the public official who said “85 didn’t happen in a vacuum” was hardly uninformed.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:37     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.


Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?


These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.


You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.


Who says I’m not?

The lack of critical thinking skills among the left is nearly as alarming as the blind loyalists to Trump.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:21     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.


Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?


These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.


Even average people that couldn't even describe the meaning of DEI know that Trump is a criminal.


Yes, average people love sitting through those useless DEI trainings at work...
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:20     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.


Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?


These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.


You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.


You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:20     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.


Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?


These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.


Even average people that couldn't even describe the meaning of DEI know that Trump is a criminal.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:18     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.


Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?


These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.


You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:15     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.


Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?


These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:12     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Doesn’t have to be a person though. Can be an institution. Think about sports fans, they divide themselves into little tribes. Same with the political parties, and even subdivisions of those parties (e.g., progressives or freedom caucus). Tribalism comes with a sense of belonging, but can also give rise to a bunch of toxic behaviors like shaming.


Sure, my definition was not exhaustive.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:08     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Doesn’t have to be a person though. Can be an institution. Think about sports fans, they divide themselves into little tribes. Same with the political parties, and even subdivisions of those parties (e.g., progressives or freedom caucus). Tribalism comes with a sense of belonging, but can also give rise to a bunch of toxic behaviors like shaming.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2023 16:07     Subject: When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000


People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.


And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals


What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.


Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?


Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.


Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.


And Trump is not a very religious man...