Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Schools that do two ED rounds are CMU, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WashU - Chicago belongs to this group. USNews elevated it for years but it is in no way a first choice for top students. It is good choice for private school kids who want to be at a good private but do not have the grades to get into any ivies or Duke etc.
uChicago kids have better stats than all of the Ivies. Only schools with better are CalTech and MIT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People complain that UChicago has a big yield rate only because it relies on ED, but when you look at the crazy high stats of the enrolled students, you can see that it’s a gamble. UChicago is betting that it can attract enough high stats kids to ED there, forego other options, and fill up the freshman class. Seems like the gamble pays off for UChicago.
There are many schools that can do this but rightly choose not to, and instead let kids see multiple options before choosing. If Columbia, Duke, or Penn started doing ED2 the demand for those schools would be insane and they could fill up their entire classes with 1530+ SAT kids through 2 rounds of ED.
Anonymous wrote:People complain that UChicago has a big yield rate only because it relies on ED, but when you look at the crazy high stats of the enrolled students, you can see that it’s a gamble. UChicago is betting that it can attract enough high stats kids to ED there, forego other options, and fill up the freshman class. Seems like the gamble pays off for UChicago.
Anonymous wrote:So? Most of their students come via ED. Yield means nothing except wealthy students.
Anonymous wrote:NCS is a huge feeder school for Chicago.
Anonymous wrote:By manipulating their yield numbers Uchicago reveals that it is an insecure school at best. To play in main league it needs to get rid of atleast one ED and stop playing cheap tricks.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UVA uses ED
Almost all colleges and universities do with a few exceptions.
+1. What separates Chicago in its practices is that it is indeed trying to drive itself up the USNWR ratings by adopting both ED1 and ED2, and take 80% of the new class from those two groups. That practice results in enormous yield results, which is passed on to USNWR and to alumni and to media outlets as you see here. Few other schools do that. UVA had ED (just 1, not ED 2) and fills only 21 to 22 percent of its class with those ED1 candidates. UVA then has regular EA and RD. It's considered a more fair approach.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UVA uses ED
Almost all colleges and universities do with a few exceptions.
Not true. UVA is a public. It is not common for public schools to offer ED. I think UVA, W&M, a couple SUNY schools and University of Vermont are the only public schools with ED? Maybe there are other Virginia schools? Correct me if I am wrong.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UVA uses ED
Almost all colleges and universities do with a few exceptions.
Not true. UVA is a public. It is not common for public schools to offer ED. I think UVA, W&M, a couple SUNY schools and University of Vermont are the only public schools with ED? Maybe there are other Virginia schools? Correct me if I am wrong.
Anonymous wrote:One of the things that drives high yield and that hurts U Chicago in the rankings is that they have a program called Odyssey Scholars, which is one of their crowning achievements . It is funded by U Chicago and pays 100% of financial need. They really don’t use Pell Grants, so all the Ivies which emphasize Pell Grants got 7.5% increase in the USNews score, even if the kids are only getting $1000 Chicago got close to zero for the Pell grant score because they pay financial aid privately for the $300K it costs to go to U Chicago. I’d take that any day if I needed financial aid regardless of admission round.
So because Pell is heavily weighted in this year’s US News ranking, Chicago fell. They were # 1 in small class sizes and #1 in % of teachers with advanced degrees.