Anonymous
10/31/2023 09:35
Subject: Re:Private Trainings with Club Coach?
Anonymous wrote:Some coaches actively recruit private training... for example my dd was told "great game.. you can use some shooting practice...have your mom call me and we can set up some training"
The coaches I know don't need to find work. They're already overbooked. Quality coaches are always sought after. My kid trained with a coach last spring and some of summer. He used an open schedule (private link) to his kids to schedule the day/time they want to train. It was easily full two weeks out. Maybe 6-8 kids per week and he coached two teams.
Anonymous
10/30/2023 09:32
Subject: Re:Private Trainings with Club Coach?
Some coaches actively recruit private training... for example my dd was told "great game.. you can use some shooting practice...have your mom call me and we can set up some training"
Anonymous
10/30/2023 09:05
Subject: Private Trainings with Club Coach?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think several area clubs prohibit this. For example, Mclean coaches may not privately coach ANY MYS player (regardless of year or team) in exchange for a fee or any other form of gift or compensation. Also MYS coaches may not provide private coaching to any player who is attempting or planning to join MYS. This is in their policies which are posted online. I think Arlington too?
I know many MYS Travel coaches who do private training on the side. Where does it say it's illegal?
No one said it is or should be illegal here or anywhere else.
Someone said it was against their policies. Not illegal.
https://mcleansoccer.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/MYS-Policy-113-Coach-Code-of-Conduct.pdf
I never knew MYS coaches weren't suppose to private train on the side. Well, they certainly don't enforce it because off the top of my head I know six who do it and they are 100% busy.
That is an out of date CoC. The current one prohibits compensation for personal training from the gender age group of the coach’s team and the age group immediately below.
This makes more sense because there are plenty of travel coaches who are great at training young kids. No reason to prevent them from helping train players.
Anonymous
10/30/2023 08:50
Subject: Private Trainings with Club Coach?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think several area clubs prohibit this. For example, Mclean coaches may not privately coach ANY MYS player (regardless of year or team) in exchange for a fee or any other form of gift or compensation. Also MYS coaches may not provide private coaching to any player who is attempting or planning to join MYS. This is in their policies which are posted online. I think Arlington too?
I know many MYS Travel coaches who do private training on the side. Where does it say it's illegal?
No one said it is or should be illegal here or anywhere else.
Someone said it was against their policies. Not illegal.
https://mcleansoccer.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/MYS-Policy-113-Coach-Code-of-Conduct.pdf
I never knew MYS coaches weren't suppose to private train on the side. Well, they certainly don't enforce it because off the top of my head I know six who do it and they are 100% busy.
That is an out of date CoC. The current one prohibits compensation for personal training from the gender age group of the coach’s team and the age group immediately below.
Thanks, Coach!
Anonymous
10/30/2023 00:12
Subject: Private Trainings with Club Coach?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think several area clubs prohibit this. For example, Mclean coaches may not privately coach ANY MYS player (regardless of year or team) in exchange for a fee or any other form of gift or compensation. Also MYS coaches may not provide private coaching to any player who is attempting or planning to join MYS. This is in their policies which are posted online. I think Arlington too?
I know many MYS Travel coaches who do private training on the side. Where does it say it's illegal?
No one said it is or should be illegal here or anywhere else.
Someone said it was against their policies. Not illegal.
https://mcleansoccer.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/MYS-Policy-113-Coach-Code-of-Conduct.pdf
I never knew MYS coaches weren't suppose to private train on the side. Well, they certainly don't enforce it because off the top of my head I know six who do it and they are 100% busy.
That is an out of date CoC. The current one prohibits compensation for personal training from the gender age group of the coach’s team and the age group immediately below.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 19:42
Subject: Private Trainings with Club Coach?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think several area clubs prohibit this. For example, Mclean coaches may not privately coach ANY MYS player (regardless of year or team) in exchange for a fee or any other form of gift or compensation. Also MYS coaches may not provide private coaching to any player who is attempting or planning to join MYS. This is in their policies which are posted online. I think Arlington too?
I know many MYS Travel coaches who do private training on the side. Where does it say it's illegal?
No one said it is or should be illegal here or anywhere else.
Someone said it was against their policies. Not illegal.
https://mcleansoccer.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/MYS-Policy-113-Coach-Code-of-Conduct.pdf
I never knew MYS coaches weren't suppose to private train on the side. Well, they certainly don't enforce it because off the top of my head I know six who do it and they are 100% busy.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 11:48
Subject: Re:Private Trainings with Club Coach?
Anonymous wrote:This thread has moved in all different directions? The original question posed, I believe, was, "Is it appropriate for a coach to take additional money thru private sessions from players' families who he currently coaches on a club team alongside other players who do not have the interest or the means to join such trainings?" The answer is unequivocally - HELL NO!
Not Heck No?
Anonymous
10/26/2023 11:42
Subject: Re:Private Trainings with Club Coach?
This thread has moved in all different directions? The original question posed, I believe, was, "Is it appropriate for a coach to take additional money thru private sessions from players' families who he currently coaches on a club team alongside other players who do not have the interest or the means to join such trainings?" The answer is unequivocally - HELL NO!
SocAnon
10/26/2023 11:01
Subject: Private Trainings with Club Coach?
I agree, but 2 scenarios arise when this is a perceived problem. 1.) The Head Coach is making the decisions, but your kid is being coached by a junior coach. The Head Coach does not have your kid on their radar and the junior coach is just a lackey who might not do more than what they're being told to do. (This is a big club problem with 3 and 4 teams that train together.) 2.) There is the perception by the parents that the coach just isn't looking at your kid more than a few seconds as there are too many kids to coach and the coach is spending all their focused time with the previously established 'A-team' players. In both those cases, if you would like to move up or get recognized as one of the better players, you might consider private training with the coach if it is allowed within the club. If not, then keep on grinding! But know that things might not change for a while. Objectively, I can easily see how private training with your coach could be an avenue fraught with problems; but for new players or seemingly stagnated players wanting to earn starting spots or get on a higher team it might be a good option.
Anonymous
10/26/2023 08:24
Subject: Private Trainings with Club Coach?
SocAnon wrote:Anonymous wrote:Isn't it a conflict of interest to have players do private trainings with their current coach outside of the club structure for additional payment? There is a coach for a Maryland club who does individual trainings with his current players for a fee. Those players then get more playing time than those who do not do private trainings. How is this allowed?
It certainly could be conceived as a conflict of interest by other parents. There is no set State policy against this practice, but there could be (should be) a policy against this in any particular club. Even at U9 we had psycho parents who were overly concerned why some kids were already on the Red Team (top team) and why some kids were on the White Team (bottom team). Those kids did not have private training at the club, but I imagine what the perception might be if those kids were receiving private club training by the coach of the Red Team.
On the flip side, a coach can really evaluate a younger player skill-wise during a private training session. Sometimes, during poorly designed practices or large practice sessions, kids don't get to touch the ball too much. It might be hard for a coach to identify the stronger kids without doing some type of skills bases assessment. I only mention this possibility, because sometimes a club coach has way too many kids and way too many teams to coach and he or she might be new to your kid's team. Without a decent sense of history of your player, the coach could likely obtain a better understanding of your player through private training and therefore set them up for more success.
This becomes apparent when you take your kid to a big club and there is no easy way for your kid to stand out, you are the outsider, your kids is otherwise just 1 of 30 or 40 kids out there scrimmaging and the coach can barely tell anything different about them. It would take another full season for the coach to get a decent grasp of the kid's abilities. Then, it could be mutually beneficial for the player to have a private training session with the coach. The downside, obviously, would be that current families might not be too happy when that kid starts receiving more playing time and attention. Because of this, it shouldn't be allowed for fairness sake. But trust me, the kids who attend all the extra clinics and camps for your club, start to be seen more by the coach and start to receive some preferential treatment. And because it is financially driven, extra camps and skills clinics are promoted at all clubs.
You probably don't want a coach coaching your kid if he/she can't identify the kids on their team for levels of technical and soccer iq skills through regular training sessions and games.