unless one can get into a T20 private school, there is no reason to turn down Michigan or UVA for in-states.

if receiving a "substantive" scholarship from Michigan or UVA, I think only a T10 school is worth the 90K COA.

for Californians, UCLA or UCB is only second to T5 in terms of ROI

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Anonymous wrote:No for instate, it's like 50% acceptance rate for instate.

So why would you want to send a top stats NOVA kid to be surrounded by mostly Michigan students? Serious question as I don't know what's so great about it versus WM and UVA.

Here’s news for you. Many of those instate students also have top stats. Fortunately for those instate students, and the 50% who hail from OOS, they have a plethora of top programs/majors to choose from. WM and UVA don’t have the same across the board academic excellence. My question would be, why would you pay even more for a private school that isn’t as good as Michigan?

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Anonymous wrote:No for instate, it's like 50% acceptance rate for instate.

So why would you want to send a top stats NOVA kid to be surrounded by mostly Michigan students? Serious question as I don't know what's so great about it versus WM and UVA.

Here’s news for you. Many of those instate students also have top stats. Fortunately for those instate students, and the 50% who hail from OOS, they have a plethora of top programs/majors to choose from. WM and UVA don’t have the same across the board academic excellence. My question would be, why would you pay even more for a private school that isn’t as good as Michigan?

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Anonymous wrote:Easier for undergrad OOS than for post grad. DC’s post grad program accepted <5% applicants to U Mich post grad stem program.

OP there are many good options and hopefully your DC will find great school for them.

For STEM - if your DC does not mind the cold - University of Illinois Urbana Champaign has some top ranked programs and is easier to get into .

But then has to live in Urbana for four years.

Agreed. It is gross and unsafe. The South Farms stench is appalling.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe. They take about 4,000 from OOS. When I last calculated the admit rate based on their Common Data Set, it was 8%.

If you are in state, it will be easier. They also take about 4,000 from in state.

I don’t think Michigan is much better than other flagships. For some reason, people equate low admit rate to being a better school. But that just reflects market demand and not quality.

I know most won’t agree with me and that’s fine. 😜

I am not a Michigan person (went to a different Big 10 school, actually) but...almost literally every program at Michigan is top 10 and in many cases, top 5. It is what sets UM apart from other schools. Iowa has a fantastic creative writing program, Illinois and Maryland have great Comp Sci/Cyber programs, Wisconsin's Real Estate and Sociology programs are among the best in the world; I could go on, but no school as the across the board excellence that Michigan does. So for undergrads, what that means is, they can go there with one idea for an area of study and move to other areas and know that their degree in that major will mean something. It is, in fact, very unique.

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Anonymous wrote:No for instate, it's like 50% acceptance rate for instate.

So why would you want to send a top stats NOVA kid to be surrounded by mostly Michigan students? Serious question as I don't know what's so great about it versus WM and UVA.

It’s not. Most of the NoVA kids did not get into UVA. UVA is a harder admit from a big VA HS. A lot of kids don’t want a small liberal arts school. They want big football.

Disclaimer, U Mich is not on my kid’s lists. Sticking to the Northeast area.

This. It's so easy to talk about where you would/wouldn't send your kid until you're sitting with their options and are like - oh crap, this doesn't look the way we thought it would - if you've got the money you might find yourself pivoting to something that in this forum you would have sworn you wouldn't do. For example, what if your kid is shut out of UVA and Tech, didn't apply to W&M because it wasn't what they were looking for, but got into JMU and Michigan? We'd pay for Michigan because we can afford it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have solid grades (4.4 GPA with 10 APs), 1450 SAT and good extracurricular activities and sports, would that be enough?

My son loves UMich. He had never even been there yet. He is a solid student and is a strong athlete but not college recruit type athlete.

For out of state students, it is essentially a single digit admit rate.

Gonzaga sent 10 grads to U Michigan last year.

Yes. And closer to 15-20 got in. Class sizes are only 240. They had a very impressive list last few years of top universities acceptances on SCOIR.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have solid grades (4.4 GPA with 10 APs), 1450 SAT and good extracurricular activities and sports, would that be enough?

My son loves UMich. He had never even been there yet. He is a solid student and is a strong athlete but not college recruit type athlete.

My National Merit Scholar kid, with 12 APs, all 5s, 35 ACT, Varsity sport (3 years as captain), summer job since age 15 with increasing responsibilities, with high GPA - I only remember WGPA, 4.81, and we are full pay, was deferred and then rejected. We visited in person, child went to the in person AO visit at their school and attended online webinars.

Ugh, that's disappointing.

Maybe. They take about 4,000 from OOS. When I last calculated the admit rate based on their Common Data Set, it was 8%.

If you are in state, it will be easier. They also take about 4,000 from in state.

I don’t think Michigan is much better than other flagships. For some reason, people equate low admit rate to being a better school. But that just reflects market demand and not quality.

I know most won’t agree with me and that’s fine. 😜

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Anonymous wrote:No for instate, it's like 50% acceptance rate for instate.

So why would you want to send a top stats NOVA kid to be surrounded by mostly Michigan students? Serious question as I don't know what's so great about it versus WM and UVA.

It’s not. Most of the NoVA kids did not get into UVA. UVA is a harder admit from a big VA HS. A lot of kids don’t want a small liberal arts school. They want big football.

Disclaimer, U Mich is not on my kid’s lists. Sticking to the Northeast area.

Anonymous wrote:No for instate, it's like 50% acceptance rate for instate.

So why would you want to send a top stats NOVA kid to be surrounded by mostly Michigan students? Serious question as I don't know what's so great about it versus WM and UVA.