Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 18:33     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The top 3 public universities are Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. Berkeley is #1 and UCLA and Michigan about the same.

Next tier is probably UC San Diego, Illinois, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin.


Michigan is a much better school than UCLA. 30 years ago, UCLA wasn't all that. It became popular as kids became more delicate about weather. Same goes for the Florida universities.


Looking at 12 core liberal arts and science subject rankings (biological sciences, chemistry, computer science, economics, English, history, mathematics, philosophy*, physics, political science and sociology):

# in Top 10

UC Berkeley 12
Michigan 6
UCLA 4
Wisconsin 2
Texas 1
Washington 1

# in Top 20

UC Berkeley 12
UCLA 12
Texas 9
Wisconsin 9
UC San Diego 8
North Carolina 7
Illinois 6
Washington 3

* philosophy is from Philosophical Gourmet Report ranking of philosophy programs.


Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 17:14     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UVA is better for undergrad


So true!


Not for undergraduate teaching:

Michigan #16
UVA #48

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching

It’s remarkable how Michigan is so strong in so many areas.

Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 17:02     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Anonymous wrote:The top 3 public universities are Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. Berkeley is #1 and UCLA and Michigan about the same.

Next tier is probably UC San Diego, Illinois, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin.


Michigan is a much better school than UCLA. 30 years ago, UCLA wasn't all that. It became popular as kids became more delicate about weather. Same goes for the Florida universities.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 16:56     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
The top 3 public universities are Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan. Berkeley is #1 and UCLA and Michigan about the same.

Next tier is probably UC San Diego, Illinois, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 16:52     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Anonymous wrote:Michigan has very good professional schools as well. They have a beautiful law school and a neat modern b-school too.


Business #8
Law #10
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 16:31     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Anonymous wrote:UVA is better for undergrad


So true!
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 16:22     Subject: Re:How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We live in Michigan, but I didn't grow up here (from MD) and honestly it was never on my radar before moving here 15 years ago. Now I am thrilled to be in-state for UofM. DS is a very strong student and our school send about 20-30% of grads there per year. We will see what happens, but I hope it works out. In Michigan there is also a program where you can buy credit hours from the day the kid is born, which we have done, has allowed us to lock in a price. All in all, it's a great state for public education and I agree on not having competition from privates, there hardly are any and I would never pay for them in Michigan.


Of course it’s the same in Michigan. UVA and UMD wouldn’t be on the radar for the vast majority of students. I will say though that even if I moved out of the Midwest and to the DMV, UVA and UMD would still take a back seat in preference to my current state flagship. I wonder if you moved back to MD, you’d still feel the same way?


Nope, because I wouldn't pay OOS. But what I was trying to say is that I feel like I lucked out a bit ending up here. Growing up in Maryland, and with many friends still there, I never felt the same about the state schools.


You definitely lucked out. I’m glad that you see the bargain Michigan is instate and hope your child/children have the good fortune to attend. If not, MSU and a few other state universities are also strong. Best of luck!
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 16:14     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Michigan has very good professional schools as well. They have a beautiful law school and a neat modern b-school too.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 16:11     Subject: Re:How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We live in Michigan, but I didn't grow up here (from MD) and honestly it was never on my radar before moving here 15 years ago. Now I am thrilled to be in-state for UofM. DS is a very strong student and our school send about 20-30% of grads there per year. We will see what happens, but I hope it works out. In Michigan there is also a program where you can buy credit hours from the day the kid is born, which we have done, has allowed us to lock in a price. All in all, it's a great state for public education and I agree on not having competition from privates, there hardly are any and I would never pay for them in Michigan.


Of course it’s the same in Michigan. UVA and UMD wouldn’t be on the radar for the vast majority of students. I will say though that even if I moved out of the Midwest and to the DMV, UVA and UMD would still take a back seat in preference to my current state flagship. I wonder if you moved back to MD, you’d still feel the same way?


Nope, because I wouldn't pay OOS. But what I was trying to say is that I feel like I lucked out a bit ending up here. Growing up in Maryland, and with many friends still there, I never felt the same about the state schools.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 15:44     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Also, #2 History
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 15:30     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Some USNWR rankings:

#1 Education
#1 Social Work
#2 Sociology
#3 Pharmacy
#3 Psychology
#4 Public Affairs
#5 Public Health
#6 Library and Information Science
#6 Nursing
#7 Engineering
#7 Statistics
#8 English


Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 15:05     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:My daughter went to UVA. Her BFF went to Michigan because she didn’t get into UVA

True story. Happens all the time in VA



Best friends DD got waitlisted for UVA but in to Michigan she had moved into the dorm at Michigan when they got the call. DD went outside to think about it -came back in and said “UVA” and they packed her and moved her to UVA. She was very very happy at UVA


Of course that would never happen to an instate student at Michigan. Nobody from Michigan would ever pay full freight to attend UVA.


81 students are coming in from Michigan just for first-year class 2023. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/enrollment


Probably getting $$ from UVA or were not admitted to U of M.



To remind: UVA is a public. There is very little merit offered. DS got zero. He competed for the Jefferson but didn't get it. You or PP said "Nobody from Michigan would ever . . . ". Obviously they are wrong.


Hyperbolic statements are usually easily refuted. Of course in the vast majority of cases, UVA would lose out to an instate student who got into both schools (barring merit).
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 15:02     Subject: Re:How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Anonymous wrote:We live in Michigan, but I didn't grow up here (from MD) and honestly it was never on my radar before moving here 15 years ago. Now I am thrilled to be in-state for UofM. DS is a very strong student and our school send about 20-30% of grads there per year. We will see what happens, but I hope it works out. In Michigan there is also a program where you can buy credit hours from the day the kid is born, which we have done, has allowed us to lock in a price. All in all, it's a great state for public education and I agree on not having competition from privates, there hardly are any and I would never pay for them in Michigan.


Of course it’s the same in Michigan. UVA and UMD wouldn’t be on the radar for the vast majority of students. I will say though that even if I moved out of the Midwest and to the DMV, UVA and UMD would still take a back seat in preference to my current state flagship. I wonder if you moved back to MD, you’d still feel the same way?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 14:14     Subject: Re:How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
We live in Michigan, but I didn't grow up here (from MD) and honestly it was never on my radar before moving here 15 years ago. Now I am thrilled to be in-state for UofM. DS is a very strong student and our school send about 20-30% of grads there per year. We will see what happens, but I hope it works out. In Michigan there is also a program where you can buy credit hours from the day the kid is born, which we have done, has allowed us to lock in a price. All in all, it's a great state for public education and I agree on not having competition from privates, there hardly are any and I would never pay for them in Michigan.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 13:35     Subject: How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My daughter went to UVA. Her BFF went to Michigan because she didn’t get into UVA

True story. Happens all the time in VA



Best friends DD got waitlisted for UVA but in to Michigan she had moved into the dorm at Michigan when they got the call. DD went outside to think about it -came back in and said “UVA” and they packed her and moved her to UVA. She was very very happy at UVA


Of course that would never happen to an instate student at Michigan. Nobody from Michigan would ever pay full freight to attend UVA.


81 students are coming in from Michigan just for first-year class 2023. https://ira.virginia.edu/university-data-home/enrollment


Probably getting $$ from UVA or were not admitted to U of M.



To remind: UVA is a public. There is very little merit offered. DS got zero. He competed for the Jefferson but didn't get it. You or PP said "Nobody from Michigan would ever . . . ". Obviously they are wrong.