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Anonymous wrote:So OP, say you were laying in the emergency room and the only doctor to save you went a no name medical school. Would you let them save you?

Say....one of these doctors at the Mayo Clinic:

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/medicine/

Note where they went to med school, too.

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Anonymous wrote:The OP is absolutely correct.

It's not that recruiters look at two candidates and choose the one from the 'better' school. It's that they never see the kid from the lesser school at all because their company doesn't recruit at that school.

I have a kid at an Ivy and it is stunning how many of the top consulting and banking companies literally woo her. They give pre-interview sessions to help train her in doing case-based interviews. They email her asking her to apply. One company invited her for a week-long training (called a 'summit') culminating in an internship interview, and sent her a basket of muffins because she accepted the offer to attend the summit (!). There's nothing special about her but she is clearly getting extra attention.

On the other hand, I teach at a lower tiered university, and it's not just that our students don't not get emails or extra help from those same companies. It's that those companies don't come to campus to do campus interviews and don't really entertain applications unless the kid has some other hook (parent at the company, etc). These companies have a defined list of 'target' schools (and it's public what schools those are).

This is all related to wall street/consulting. I've heard similar things about big tech. It doesn't apply to all companies. But it does apply to a lot of companies that are well respected, pay well, and hire a ton of undergrads.

This is correct. However, many firms that recruit MBAs have expanded their search due to need for tech saavy hires.

Anonymous wrote:OP, see if your kid can get into Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, Duke, Princeton, or whatever fancy school you’re talking about and then revisit this idea. It just sounds like you’re afraid of life without a shiny name brand

If your kid can get into these schools they will likely go to these schools (hence the high yield at Ivies). Excellent kids can and will do well no matter where they go but the "best" opportunities at companies go to top schools to recruit because they have a higher success rate. BCG chooses the Ivies over UMD for active recruiting because they know they will have more choices. That being said there is a path for every hard working and high achieving student. I think it is hard to argue that students who do well at top 10 schools have more options then high performers from UMD, JMU etc...

Anonymous wrote:Why don't you all state your school and NW and we'll see if there's any correlation.

Are gonna control for family wealth before college?

Anonymous wrote:The majority of employers don’t recruit on campus.

Kids graduate and sometimes travel or take a break before looking for a job.

The school matters, but the resume is what lands an interview.

And ultimately the interview determines whether you get the job. Personality and appearance matter far more than where you went to college.

I know many awkward smart people who struggled to land jobs despite fancy JDs from Harvard, Georgetown, etc.

This. What matters is what you DO at the college. Will you get to do substantive research or other real projects in your field-ideally with corporate/community partners to they have a basis in the real world. Are you developing important skills. Are there skill certifications you can complete in addition to the BS/BS. Will the career center and your professors help you get internships. You can coast and not manage to do a lot of this at the most highly ranked schools or you can take initiative and make it happen at lower ranked schools. And some of those lower ranked schools (and higher ranked) will push you by requiring capstone projects or internships to get the degree.

Anonymous wrote:a campus recruiter is like a multi level marketing person, they are looking for people to do crap work and hope they stay but few ever stay at their first job very long

Eh well that's everyone's first job experience regardless of whether they are recruited on campus or not.

Anonymous wrote:Why don't you all state your school and NW and we'll see if there's any correlation.

A high NW isn't the only thing to aspire to.

(Purdue grad and happy with my NW of maaaaaybe $500k)

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Anonymous wrote:Don't be a fool. A star is a star no matter where they go to school. And a fool is a fool...

A star in a more luxurious constellation looks brighter.

Not really. That's both literally and metaphorically not true.
In the darkness the star shines most brightly.

Anonymous wrote:Why don't you all state your school and NW and we'll see if there's any correlation.

Spouse has been executive and CEO at 3 small companies (2-3K employees). The executive teams at all 3 companies were filled with excellent people from no-name or schools ranked less than 50, most ranked less than 100. Spouse is the only one from a T20 school---and spouse never used any of their connections from that school to get anywhere in career---it's all their own connections afterwards and quite simply their work ethic and quality of work.
All the executives at both companies are multi millionaires, most $8-10M+
Last 2 EVP of sales both NEVER completed college (known one for over 15 years and just learned that recently, as it simply doesn't matter)
"highest ranked colleges" any of the other execs attended:
NCState, Cal Poly, Towson, Salisbury, UMBC, and the list goes on. Several are much "lower ranked" and only know to local area.

Yet somehow they are all executives, well respected and worth $8M+ (before 40 for most of them). School didn't matter---it was their drive and determination that got them to where they are

a campus recruiter is like a multi level marketing person, they are looking for people to do crap work and hope they stay but few ever stay at their first job very long

The majority of employers don’t recruit on campus.

Kids graduate and sometimes travel or take a break before looking for a job.

The school matters, but the resume is what lands an interview.

And ultimately the interview determines whether you get the job. Personality and appearance matter far more than where you went to college.

I know many awkward smart people who struggled to land jobs despite fancy JDs from Harvard, Georgetown, etc.

Anonymous wrote:This is true. I was recruited from a top women's college into corporate banking (later went IB). Kid from bucknell was recruited only for middle market banking. Same firm.

Say it with me - the industries where undergrad matters because of campus recruiting include:
I-banking/Wall Street any capacity

That is about it folks! I used to hire them.

I have also hired for tech and professional services and we go everywhere for these industries!

Now grad school recruiting for business majors is a different game entirely. But we are not talking about that are we??

Anonymous wrote:If you go to grad school (law, medicine, PhD), your undergrad probably doesn't matter. At least, I don't care to argue with all of the "I went to a dinky no-name school and then Hopkins med school and I turned out fine!" posters here.

But for everyone else, the name of the game is on-campus recruiting.

Many of us are too old to really understand the importance of OCR; in my day it was fairly optional unless you are going into certain fields like i-banking or consulting.

But now it is much more important; jobs that are offered through OCR simply aren't offered to the general public or even to students outside of a small number of chosen schools.

Tech firm A may recruit at both School X and School Y, but the School X positions may be core engineering positions while the School Y ones are support positions at a regional office.

OCR is important in tech, finance, management consulting and other fields. See this (highly critical) HBR article for how it works: https://hbr.org/2015/10/firms-are-wasting-mil...-only-a-few-campuses

Yes, where you go to school absolutely does matter if you're not going to be a doctor, lawyer or professor - the vast majority of kids; including the vast majority of those who intend to be doctors, lawyers or professors (those fields have a nasty cut).

I cannot disagree more and ironically I feel that if you do want to be a Doc, lawyer, prof, you best go to an undergrad that will lead you to a solid grad school because you will absolutely need pedigree in those fields to make it.

Campus recruiting is everywhere now. I used to be a campus recruiter so I know! Once upon a time, you would only find Accenture and Deloitte at top 10 schools. But you can attain a great career even with a 2nd tier professional services firm who also recruit at the same places as Big 4. Moreover, you can pretty much find many many companies of all sizes and reputations approach campus recruiting at almost every school that has a name. There's just too many positions too fill and too many opportunities at various schools for one company to focus on the "top" schools. Keep in mind as well that the competition at those "top" schools are very high. Your kid is not just going to automatically get hired because recruiters from that company are there. They have to go through a robust interview process and everyone at that school just as great as your kid is also competing for a spot.

I would not worry about campus recruiting as it relates to how quickly a kid gains employment nor whether their career will take off or not based on whether they were drafted out of school upon graduation. This is what is wrong with parents. They really need to relax. There are SO many opportunities and I don't even mean with companies offering 9-5 work. There are so many career paths avail to this generation of kids that the more important question is where they are comfortable, will learn what they need/want to learn and whether they are mentally well adjusted upon graduation to determine their own path.

Why don't you all state your school and NW and we'll see if there's any correlation.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t think of a single person, old or young, who got their job from an on campus recruiter.

Then you were at wrong campus.

Maybe, but my reading comprehension is still better than yours. I wasn’t talking about just me or my own campus.

Where did you go to school?