Anonymous
10/01/2023 14:43
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
I don’t know but I know if I tried to use an emergency exit in a non emergency and then pulled a fire alarm I would be in serous troublejsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pulling a fire alarm in a House office building would not delay the vote in the actual House which is in the Capitol.
No amount of repeating this will convince them.
It’s not a matter of convincing anyone when the GOP is deliberately parroting misinformation.
So you really think he’s that stupid that he thinks pulling a fire alarm will open a door? Or that he thinks a vote is important enough to use an emergency exit which is clearly designated as such?
Why do you have such low standards for him?
If it wasn't a mistake as he claims, what do you think he was trying to do? Please make sure that your answer requires the high standards you apparently expect of him.
Anonymous
10/01/2023 14:42
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pulling a fire alarm in a House office building would not delay the vote in the actual House which is in the Capitol.
No amount of repeating this will convince them.
It’s not a matter of convincing anyone when the GOP is deliberately parroting misinformation.
So you really think he’s that stupid that he thinks pulling a fire alarm will open a door? Or that he thinks a vote is important enough to use an emergency exit which is clearly designated as such?
Why do you have such low standards for him?
If it wasn't a mistake as he claims, what do you think he was trying to do? Please make sure that your answer requires the high standards you apparently expect of him.
NP. I believe he was deliberately late and worked with the others to stall the vote
Anonymous
10/01/2023 14:41
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
Anonymous wrote:"U.S. Rep. Bowman "did not realize he would trigger a building alarm" when he pulled fire alarm"
Sorry, NO.
No need to apologize, but YES. My otherwise above normal intelligence DH did this once. Just once.
Anonymous
10/01/2023 14:38
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:But I was told nobody would be making excuses for bowman
Yes, when the only version of the story we knew was the falsified Republican version, it sounded indefensible. Once we understood the facts, we realized it was simply another case of Republicans lying and generating faux outrage.
Tell us what is false . Would you be saying this if a Republican had done the same thing?
I already told you in a previous post. But, to reiterate, Republicans claimed that it was an attempt to stop the vote and caused the evacuation of the Capitol. The event didn't even take place in the Capitol and did not disrupt the vote. Moreover, Bowman didn't want to disrupt the vote, he voted in favor of the bill.
We have now learned that the door in question is normally open, but closed on weekends. Bowman was attempting to go vote and the sign on the door said to push and wait for the alarm. Bowman claims he thought this meant to pull the alarm that was right next to the door. This is completely different than an attempt to disrupt an official proceeding of Congress.
Emergency exits are never left open. Someone is either lying or they are completely reckless over there
jsteele
10/01/2023 14:35
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pulling a fire alarm in a House office building would not delay the vote in the actual House which is in the Capitol.
No amount of repeating this will convince them.
It’s not a matter of convincing anyone when the GOP is deliberately parroting misinformation.
So you really think he’s that stupid that he thinks pulling a fire alarm will open a door? Or that he thinks a vote is important enough to use an emergency exit which is clearly designated as such?
Why do you have such low standards for him?
If it wasn't a mistake as he claims, what do you think he was trying to do? Please make sure that your answer requires the high standards you apparently expect of him.
Anonymous
10/01/2023 14:33
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pulling a fire alarm in a House office building would not delay the vote in the actual House which is in the Capitol.
No amount of repeating this will convince them.
It’s not a matter of convincing anyone when the GOP is deliberately parroting misinformation.
So you really think he’s that stupid that he thinks pulling a fire alarm will open a door? Or that he thinks a vote is important enough to use an emergency exit which is clearly designated as such?
Why do you have such low standards for him?
Anonymous
10/01/2023 14:02
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pulling a fire alarm in a House office building would not delay the vote in the actual House which is in the Capitol.
No amount of repeating this will convince them.
It’s not a matter of convincing anyone when the GOP is deliberately parroting misinformation.
jsteele
10/01/2023 13:29
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
Anonymous wrote:Pulling a fire alarm in a House office building would not delay the vote in the actual House which is in the Capitol.
No amount of repeating this will convince them.
Anonymous
10/01/2023 13:28
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
Pulling a fire alarm in a House office building would not delay the vote in the actual House which is in the Capitol.
jsteele
10/01/2023 13:27
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:But I was told nobody would be making excuses for bowman
Yes, when the only version of the story we knew was the falsified Republican version, it sounded indefensible. Once we understood the facts, we realized it was simply another case of Republicans lying and generating faux outrage.
Tell us what is false . Would you be saying this if a Republican had done the same thing?
I already told you in a previous post. But, to reiterate, Republicans claimed that it was an attempt to stop the vote and caused the evacuation of the Capitol. The event didn't even take place in the Capitol and did not disrupt the vote. Moreover, Bowman didn't want to disrupt the vote, he voted in favor of the bill.
We have now learned that the door in question is normally open, but closed on weekends. Bowman was attempting to go vote and the sign on the door said to push and wait for the alarm. Bowman claims he thought this meant to pull the alarm that was right next to the door. This is completely different than an attempt to disrupt an official proceeding of Congress.
You don't know what Bowman was attempting. You're surmising from the news. You cannot get in his head.
You aren't understanding facts. You're hearing a narrative being formed to defend the alarm being pulled. "Simply another case of what"? Is that the party line forming?
You don't know that it wasn't an attempt by Bowman to interrupt or evacuate.
From USATODAY
Democrats try to delay, House vote eventually passes
In a bid to buy more time for House Democrats to read a 71-page stopgap measure before it was considered, Democrats forced a procedural vote on a motion to adjourn – without the intention to adjourn – to delay the vote on the stopgap to read through the bill.
House Minority Whip Katherine Clark, D-Mass., said Democrats had "serious trust issues" on the legislation. To stall even further, Democratic lawmakers slowly trickled into the chamber to vote to stall even further.
After the motion to adjourn failed, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., used what is referred to as a "magic minute" where under House rules, leadership can speak for an unlimited amount of time.
"Strap in, because this may take a while," Jeffries said before addressing the House floor for almost an hour.
Meanwhile, Rep. Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., pulled the fire alarm in the Cannon House office building, causing an evacuation. Capitol police said in a statement they are investigating the incident.
Emma Simon, Bowman's spokesperson, later said in a statement that Bowman "did not realize he would trigger a building alarm as he was rushing to make an urgent vote."
Despite the delays, voting on the stopgap measure began in the House just before 2:30 p.m. About 20 minutes later, the resolution passed 335 to 91, with just one Democrat voting in opposition over the bill's lack of U.S. aid to Ukraine.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/10/01/how-congress-avoided-government-shutdown/71018430007/
This is more an example of poor reporting than anything. Democrats wanted time to read the bill — something I would think that you would also consider important — but once they were satisfied with it, there was no need for a further delay. Indeed, as the article says, every Democrat but one voted in favor. Bowman also voted in favor of it. Why would he seek to delay voting on a bill he supported? Second, if he wanted a delay, why would he pull an alarm in a completely different building. The article you quote does its best to obfuscate, but the Capitol was not evacuated. Rather, the Cannon House Office Building was. Members of Congress wanting to vote would have left that building anyway, so the alarm had no impact on the voting.
Bowman's actions, despite your desire to suggest otherwise, had absolutely no impact on the vote.
Anonymous
10/01/2023 13:27
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
I absolutely believe Bowman's excuse. The man really is very far to the left on the IQ tail. We should give him a break.
Anonymous
10/01/2023 13:16
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
18 U.S. Code 1512(c)
Anonymous
10/01/2023 13:13
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:But I was told nobody would be making excuses for bowman
Yes, when the only version of the story we knew was the falsified Republican version, it sounded indefensible. Once we understood the facts, we realized it was simply another case of Republicans lying and generating faux outrage.
Tell us what is false . Would you be saying this if a Republican had done the same thing?
I already told you in a previous post. But, to reiterate, Republicans claimed that it was an attempt to stop the vote and caused the evacuation of the Capitol. The event didn't even take place in the Capitol and did not disrupt the vote. Moreover, Bowman didn't want to disrupt the vote, he voted in favor of the bill.
We have now learned that the door in question is normally open, but closed on weekends. Bowman was attempting to go vote and the sign on the door said to push and wait for the alarm. Bowman claims he thought this meant to pull the alarm that was right next to the door. This is completely different than an attempt to disrupt an official proceeding of Congress.
You don't know what Bowman was attempting. You're surmising from the news. You cannot get in his head.
You aren't understanding facts. You're hearing a narrative being formed to defend the alarm being pulled. "Simply another case of what"? Is that the party line forming?
You don't know that it wasn't an attempt by Bowman to interrupt or evacuate.
From USATODAY
Democrats try to delay, House vote eventually passes
In a bid to buy more time for House Democrats to read a 71-page stopgap measure before it was considered, Democrats forced a procedural vote on a motion to adjourn – without the intention to adjourn – to delay the vote on the stopgap to read through the bill.
House Minority Whip Katherine Clark, D-Mass., said Democrats had "serious trust issues" on the legislation. To stall even further, Democratic lawmakers slowly trickled into the chamber to vote to stall even further.
After the motion to adjourn failed, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., used what is referred to as a "magic minute" where under House rules, leadership can speak for an unlimited amount of time.
"Strap in, because this may take a while," Jeffries said before addressing the House floor for almost an hour.
Meanwhile, Rep. Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., pulled the fire alarm in the Cannon House office building, causing an evacuation. Capitol police said in a statement they are investigating the incident.
Emma Simon, Bowman's spokesperson, later said in a statement that Bowman "did not realize he would trigger a building alarm as he was rushing to make an urgent vote."
Despite the delays, voting on the stopgap measure began in the House just before 2:30 p.m. About 20 minutes later, the resolution passed 335 to 91, with just one Democrat voting in opposition over the bill's lack of U.S. aid to Ukraine.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/10/01/how-congress-avoided-government-shutdown/71018430007/
Anonymous
10/01/2023 12:56
Subject: Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
"U.S. Rep. Bowman "did not realize he would trigger a building alarm" when he pulled fire alarm"
Sorry, NO.
Sorry, NO.
jsteele
10/01/2023 12:41
Subject: Re:Defending Bowman in fire alarm incident
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lord. It is astounding at how many of you unquestioning believe the excuse Bowman gives that absolutely strains credulity. Lemmings.
What actually strains credibility is the GOP loon belief that this was intended to stop the vote.
Doesn't matter what we thought. Matters that the interference occured by a house rep.
None. No interference occurred. So, what now?