Anonymous
09/27/2023 20:44
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math. Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra
More so now with the essay based admission. Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it
Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.
bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here. But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product?
It was the place that shall not be named. Continue to disbelieve what happened. That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too).
Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?
*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.
The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.
Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.
To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.
And before anyone comes at me with the snarky "look, another advertisement for Curie" nonsense, understand this:
I don't care at all how much money Dr. R is able to bilk off of insecure families - I only care that the families are not rewarded in admissions processes for having the money to burn.
Ok that's fine, but I have to wonder why would this matter so much, if each years Quant-Q questions are different... oh wait... are you saying FCPS doesn't bother to change the questions to an exam that thousands of kids took every year? That's clearly plain stupid.
I don't see this as any different than what other prep companies have done.. which is to falsely register folks to take the exam and report back the question, or at a minimum find out as much information as they can from past tests. But at least college board knows this is happening and changes the questions.
So you admit that it's unethical but are dinging FCPS for dropping the test after students obtained the test questions? Are you volunteering to write more test questions for the test maker? Didn't think so. The result is this new admissions process that doesn't use the test. You should be happy to hear that FCPS fixed the problem.
Yes of course it's unethical, but they're a business. Most people who do business, especially those working for corporations are doing numerous unethical things each day; a very significant portion of the people on these threads. Curie shouldn't have done that and many of the people reading this should also reconsider whether what they're doing in their life is hurting others.
But this was public and obvious because that is what for profit prep companies do. So FCPS was even worse because not only did they not care and just turned a blind eye to it, they never even bothered to help the underepresented minorities who did not have the money or knowledge on how to prep. They could at least have published practice materials to everyone, which would have defeated these prep companies. Moreover, how does one not change a test, it's standard procedure! They have no excuse either because it's not hard at all to write math questions for a one hour exam given once a year, especially with a budget in the billions.
FCPS wasn’t aware of it, I guarantee you, until Curie boasted of 133 admits to TJ’s Class of 2024 and posted the first and last names of the kids who got it.
FCPS could not have published prep materials for the Quant-Q because - as I’ve mentioned a thousand times here - everyone who sees the exam is required to sign an NDA agreeing not to discuss it with anyone or share any of its contents.
I’ve addressed the issues with changing the exam elsewhere - not repeating it here.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 20:36
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math. Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra
More so now with the essay based admission. Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it
Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.
bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here. But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product?
It was the place that shall not be named. Continue to disbelieve what happened. That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too).
Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?
*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.
The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.
Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.
To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.
And before anyone comes at me with the snarky "look, another advertisement for Curie" nonsense, understand this:
I don't care at all how much money Dr. R is able to bilk off of insecure families - I only care that the families are not rewarded in admissions processes for having the money to burn.
Ok that's fine, but I have to wonder why would this matter so much, if each years Quant-Q questions are different... oh wait... are you saying FCPS doesn't bother to change the questions to an exam that thousands of kids took every year? That's clearly plain stupid.
I don't see this as any different than what other prep companies have done.. which is to falsely register folks to take the exam and report back the question, or at a minimum find out as much information as they can from past tests. But at least college board knows this is happening and changes the questions.
So FCPS decided to use the Quant-Q, which is developed by a third party, in no small part because it was supposed to be secured. It actually was identified by a TJ math teacher and suggested for use because of its strength as a problem-solving evaluator and because no prep materials were available for it.
Like many other exams, they have a large bank of questions and multiple forms that they use for their exams year-over-year.
The problem with the Quant-Q is that if you prepare a kid for it, it becomes completely useless for its purpose. And if you prepare some kids for it and not others, it occludes the functioning of the admissions process altogether.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 16:39
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
No, bottom 5% at TJ will be in the top 5% at Langley and McLean since so many posters claim that the new TJ admission system vastly improved the quality of the already No. 1 ranked high school in the country TJ even further.
Bottom 5% at TJ have distinct essay writing capabilities, having been selected using new admissions criteria, and can solve any problem including math in essay format
Problem: Solve csc 45°
Answer: Thank you for the opportunity to solve this problem. This problem is either a geometry, trigonometry, or an algebra problem. To begin with, the problem has the numerical 45 and the tiny circle next to it, so it should be interpreted as an angle. An angle is the space between two intersecting lines, kind of like the letter V, which in this case is 45°. Preceding the 45°, is a space, and before that is the word csc, which obviously is a palindrome....
Anonymous
09/27/2023 14:27
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
No, bottom 5% at TJ will be in the top 5% at Langley and McLean since so many posters claim that the new TJ admission system vastly improved the quality of the already No. 1 ranked high school in the country TJ even further.
Those posters are trolls...
Anonymous
09/27/2023 14:26
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Can we stop with this nonsense already? It is so childish.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 13:32
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
No, bottom 5% at TJ will be in the top 5% at Langley and McLean since so many posters claim that the new TJ admission system vastly improved the quality of the already No. 1 ranked high school in the country TJ even further.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 12:54
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
+1000
Anonymous
09/27/2023 11:49
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math. Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra
More so now with the essay based admission. Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it
Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.
bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here. But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product?
It was the place that shall not be named. Continue to disbelieve what happened. That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too).
Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?
*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.
The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.
Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.
To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.
And before anyone comes at me with the snarky "look, another advertisement for Curie" nonsense, understand this:
I don't care at all how much money Dr. R is able to bilk off of insecure families - I only care that the families are not rewarded in admissions processes for having the money to burn.
Why the fixation on Curie? have you been through their wringer?
Not the PP but providing test questions to those who can afford it did have an impact on TJ. It's largely why its rankings have dropped.
Delusional much? Not a shred of proof. If you have proof, show it.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 11:10
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math. Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra
More so now with the essay based admission. Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it
Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.
bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here. But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product?
It was the place that shall not be named. Continue to disbelieve what happened. That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too).
Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?
*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.
The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.
Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.
To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.
And before anyone comes at me with the snarky "look, another advertisement for Curie" nonsense, understand this:
I don't care at all how much money Dr. R is able to bilk off of insecure families - I only care that the families are not rewarded in admissions processes for having the money to burn.
Why the fixation on Curie? have you been through their wringer?
Who is fixated? Their question-copying is one reason that there is no more math entrance test for TJ. It is what it is.
What? TJ was copying questions from Curie, and that is why there is no more math entrance test? and what went behind dropping science and English tests?
Anonymous
09/27/2023 09:59
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math. Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra
More so now with the essay based admission. Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it
Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.
bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here. But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product?
It was the place that shall not be named. Continue to disbelieve what happened. That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too).
Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?
*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.
The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.
Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.
To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.
And before anyone comes at me with the snarky "look, another advertisement for Curie" nonsense, understand this:
I don't care at all how much money Dr. R is able to bilk off of insecure families - I only care that the families are not rewarded in admissions processes for having the money to burn.
Why the fixation on Curie? have you been through their wringer?
Not the PP but providing test questions to those who can afford it did have an impact on TJ. It's largely why its rankings have dropped.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 09:33
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math. Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra
More so now with the essay based admission. Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it
Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.
bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here. But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product?
It was the place that shall not be named. Continue to disbelieve what happened. That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too).
Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?
*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.
The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.
Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.
To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.
And before anyone comes at me with the snarky "look, another advertisement for Curie" nonsense, understand this:
I don't care at all how much money Dr. R is able to bilk off of insecure families - I only care that the families are not rewarded in admissions processes for having the money to burn.
Why the fixation on Curie? have you been through their wringer?
Who is fixated? Their question-copying is one reason that there is no more math entrance test for TJ. It is what it is.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 09:27
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math. Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra
More so now with the essay based admission. Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it
Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.
bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here. But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product?
It was the place that shall not be named. Continue to disbelieve what happened. That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too).
Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?
*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.
The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.
Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.
To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.
And before anyone comes at me with the snarky "look, another advertisement for Curie" nonsense, understand this:
I don't care at all how much money Dr. R is able to bilk off of insecure families - I only care that the families are not rewarded in admissions processes for having the money to burn.
Why the fixation on Curie? have you been through their wringer?
Anonymous
09/26/2023 16:10
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math. Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra
More so now with the essay based admission. Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it
Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.
bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here. But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product?
It was the place that shall not be named. Continue to disbelieve what happened. That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too).
Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?
*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.
The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.
Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.
To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.
And before anyone comes at me with the snarky "look, another advertisement for Curie" nonsense, understand this:
I don't care at all how much money Dr. R is able to bilk off of insecure families - I only care that the families are not rewarded in admissions processes for having the money to burn.
Ok that's fine, but I have to wonder why would this matter so much, if each years Quant-Q questions are different... oh wait... are you saying FCPS doesn't bother to change the questions to an exam that thousands of kids took every year? That's clearly plain stupid.
I don't see this as any different than what other prep companies have done.. which is to falsely register folks to take the exam and report back the question, or at a minimum find out as much information as they can from past tests. But at least college board knows this is happening and changes the questions.
So you admit that it's unethical but are dinging FCPS for dropping the test after students obtained the test questions? Are you volunteering to write more test questions for the test maker? Didn't think so. The result is this new admissions process that doesn't use the test. You should be happy to hear that FCPS fixed the problem.
Yes of course it's unethical, but they're a business. Most people who do business, especially those working for corporations are doing numerous unethical things each day; a very significant portion of the people on these threads. Curie shouldn't have done that and many of the people reading this should also reconsider whether what they're doing in their life is hurting others.
But this was public and obvious because that is what for profit prep companies do. So FCPS was even worse because not only did they not care and just turned a blind eye to it, they never even bothered to help the underepresented minorities who did not have the money or knowledge on how to prep. They could at least have published practice materials to everyone, which would have defeated these prep companies. Moreover, how does one not change a test, it's standard procedure! They have no excuse either because it's not hard at all to write math questions for a one hour exam given once a year, especially with a budget in the billions.
The AP test industry is unethical, keeps stolen past exam questions compiled as practice tests out of reach of many potential and capable students. Instead of listing these products under sports category right next to basketball shoes, they created a separate category called Books. Imagine the outrageous difficulty that puts for underrepresented minorities (except asian americans) to reach these products. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ap+practice+tests
The College Board is even more unethical. One of their team writes questions, and another internal team is stealing those questions unethically and publishing it on their website, for free, can you imagine. Poor minorities cant get find them unless, they go through the hard labor of googling them. https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-calculus-ab/exam/past-exam-questions
This is height of unethical behavior. Publishing past exam questions for everyone to see.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 15:53
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math. Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra
More so now with the essay based admission. Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it
Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.
bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here. But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product?
It was the place that shall not be named. Continue to disbelieve what happened. That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too).
Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?
*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.
The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.
Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.
To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.
And before anyone comes at me with the snarky "look, another advertisement for Curie" nonsense, understand this:
I don't care at all how much money Dr. R is able to bilk off of insecure families - I only care that the families are not rewarded in admissions processes for having the money to burn.
Ok that's fine, but I have to wonder why would this matter so much, if each years Quant-Q questions are different... oh wait... are you saying FCPS doesn't bother to change the questions to an exam that thousands of kids took every year? That's clearly plain stupid.
I don't see this as any different than what other prep companies have done.. which is to falsely register folks to take the exam and report back the question, or at a minimum find out as much information as they can from past tests. But at least college board knows this is happening and changes the questions.
So you admit that it's unethical but are dinging FCPS for dropping the test after students obtained the test questions? Are you volunteering to write more test questions for the test maker? Didn't think so. The result is this new admissions process that doesn't use the test. You should be happy to hear that FCPS fixed the problem.
Yes of course it's unethical, but they're a business. Most people who do business, especially those working for corporations are doing numerous unethical things each day; a very significant portion of the people on these threads. Curie shouldn't have done that and many of the people reading this should also reconsider whether what they're doing in their life is hurting others.
But this was public and obvious because that is what for profit prep companies do. So FCPS was even worse because not only did they not care and just turned a blind eye to it, they never even bothered to help the underepresented minorities who did not have the money or knowledge on how to prep. They could at least have published practice materials to everyone, which would have defeated these prep companies. Moreover, how does one not change a test, it's standard procedure! They have no excuse either because it's not hard at all to write math questions for a one hour exam given once a year, especially with a budget in the billions.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 15:43
Subject: Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom 10% at TJ will be top 10% at Langley and McLean etc.
Bottom 10% at TJ get a B or C in Calc AB, and that's about it with math. Top 10% at Langley and McLean get an A in Calc BC, and follow it up with Multi Variable, and Linear Alegbra
More so now with the essay based admission. Bottom 10% leave after freshman, the next bottom 10% write five line essays and that's about it
Just the opposite. The bottom 10% was worse when people were only getting in because they bought the test answers. At least now it's based on merit.
bought test answers from where? I read conspiracy theories being floated here. But in a real world, buyers can only exist when there is both a seller and a product present in the transaction. Who is the seller? Do they have a site where they sell this product?
It was the place that shall not be named. Continue to disbelieve what happened. That way you can continue to misunderstand one of the reasons for the admissions change (there were others too).
Let me get this. There was a place that cant be named, that sold a product that cant be mentioned, at a location that cannot be disclosed, that caused the admission change?
*chuckles* The place is called Curie Learning Centers.
The product is/was their flagship TJ prep course that featured, among many other things, a question bank for the secured Quant-Q exam that was inappropriately derived from their previous students reporting back on the questions they'd seen when they took the exam. While Curie didn't do anything illegal, what they did was unethical, as they used materials given to them by students who had signed an agreement not to disclose any materials from the Quant-Q. It's been confirmed many times by TJ students who attended Curie and the veracity of the story is no longer up for debate among serious people. The flagship course ran about $5,000 per student (not the $20K that has been mentioned here before) and ran for a 16-month period beginning for most students at the star of their 7th grade year and running up through the administration of the Student Information Sheet in January of 8th grade.
Curie has multiple locations in Loudoun and western Fairfax Counties.
To say that the Curie matter "caused" the admissions changes is perhaps not quite appropriate, but it absolutely highlighted the need for reform because of the program's success in securing admission to TJ and the growth of its claims year over year.
I dont know how much of this is true; could be none of it, or some of it, but I can comment on few aspects.
Both their buildings bear the name The Madame Curie School, when their business name always has been Curie Learning, leaving everyone pondering why they would invest in expensive signs and different from business name.
One their website, at the bottom it says it is powered by GoDaddy. Right above that are two links, one to their facebook page and another to twitter. The twitter link works but just goes to twitter homepage now called X. The facebook page show a picture of a lady who looks like Marie Curie, but she may just be an actor from The Game of Thrones.
Regarding payment, some say their TJ prep course fee came down from $200k to $20k, and now down to $5,000, giving everyone hope it may be now $500. By weekend, no one should be surprised if it goes down to 50.
And in summary, these are the various aspects why one would be claiming Curie has caused admission changes at TJ.