Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

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1. Why is abortion so often used as birth control?

2. Why are Democrats so against pregnant women having the opportunity to actually see their human fetus on a sonogram? Is is because it looks like a baby with its own separate beating heart?

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

So, you think the only people who get abortions are women who don't want children?
I had a medicated abortion for an ectopic (methotrexate). I assure you, it was very much a wanted pregnancy, and my DH and I were devastated. I have a friend who had to abort at 21 weeks due to a fetal anomaly that could have ended up killing her. Also a wanted pregnancy.
I would discourage my daughters from moving to a state where their ability to receive adequate healthcare, should they have a dangerous pregnancy, is compromised.

Florida has excellent healthcare. I would not be concerned in case of a dangerous pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

So, you think the only people who get abortions are women who don't want children?
I had a medicated abortion for an ectopic (methotrexate). I assure you, it was very much a wanted pregnancy, and my DH and I were devastated. I have a friend who had to abort at 21 weeks due to a fetal anomaly that could have ended up killing her. Also a wanted pregnancy.
I would discourage my daughters from moving to a state where their ability to receive adequate healthcare, should they have a dangerous pregnancy, is compromised.

Florida has excellent healthcare. I would not be concerned in case of a dangerous pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:You say “obviously” they wouldn’t go that far. They’ve gone this far.

No, I mean, obviously they wouldn't exterminate literally.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

omg.. you reference an opinion piece from an utlra right wing "news" source like Washington Examiner?

I'm from a conservative family and culture. I went to church most of my life. I don't necessarily think married women are happier. I am glad that women have choices.

Yes, women should be able to choose to abort under any circumstances because it's their bodies. If you are not going to help women take care of the children because those women cannot take care of the babies, then you have no say in whether she has her baby or not. Mind your own business. Government should stay out of people's health choices and personal lives, right?

You're just a forced birther and don't really care about babies.

It's incredibly important to you that babies are aborted. I don't agree. In fact, we have a baby shortage in this country, and it will harm us economically in the near future. So I tend to be more interested in policies that incentivize birth. You disagree. There are states for people like you, and states for people like me. Once upon a time, the left was tolerant of different perspectives-- back when I was a liberal.

That's awesome! We certainly need more people who believe in family friendly, pro-child policies like parental leave, childcare stipends, easier acces to good maternal and infant healthcare, etc.
Or do you not care about those things for other women and families, only the birth part?

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

So, you think the only people who get abortions are women who don't want children?
I had a medicated abortion for an ectopic (methotrexate). I assure you, it was very much a wanted pregnancy, and my DH and I were devastated. I have a friend who had to abort at 21 weeks due to a fetal anomaly that could have ended up killing her. Also a wanted pregnancy.
I would discourage my daughters from moving to a state where their ability to receive adequate healthcare, should they have a dangerous pregnancy, is compromised.

Florida has excellent healthcare. I would not be concerned in case of a dangerous pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

omg.. you reference an opinion piece from an utlra right wing "news" source like Washington Examiner?

I'm from a conservative family and culture. I went to church most of my life. I don't necessarily think married women are happier. I am glad that women have choices.

Yes, women should be able to choose to abort under any circumstances because it's their bodies. If you are not going to help women take care of the children because those women cannot take care of the babies, then you have no say in whether she has her baby or not. Mind your own business. Government should stay out of people's health choices and personal lives, right?

You're just a forced birther and don't really care about babies.

It's incredibly important to you that babies are aborted. I don't agree. In fact, we have a baby shortage in this country, and it will harm us economically in the near future. So I tend to be more interested in policies that incentivize birth. You disagree. There are states for people like you, and states for people like me. Once upon a time, the left was tolerant of different perspectives-- back when I was a liberal.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

So, you think the only people who get abortions are women who don't want children?
I had a medicated abortion for an ectopic (methotrexate). I assure you, it was very much a wanted pregnancy, and my DH and I were devastated. I have a friend who had to abort at 21 weeks due to a fetal anomaly that could have ended up killing her. Also a wanted pregnancy.
I would discourage my daughters from moving to a state where their ability to receive adequate healthcare, should they have a dangerous pregnancy, is compromised.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

omg.. you reference an opinion piece from an utlra right wing "news" source like Washington Examiner?

I'm from a conservative family and culture. I went to church most of my life. I don't necessarily think married women are happier. I am glad that women have choices.

Yes, women should be able to choose to abort under any circumstances because it's their bodies. If you are not going to help women take care of the children because those women cannot take care of the babies, then you have no say in whether she has her baby or not. Mind your own business. Government should stay out of people's health choices and personal lives, right?

You're just a forced birther and don't really care about babies.

It's incredibly important to you that babies are aborted. I don't agree. In fact, we have a baby shortage in this country, and it will harm us economically in the near future. So I tend to be more interested in policies that incentivize birth. You disagree. There are states for people like you, and states for people like me. Once upon a time, the left was tolerant of different perspectives-- back when I was a liberal.