Anonymous wrote:19:20 is our resident nasty entitled granny. She posts on any thread that anything a MIL wants a MIL gets no matter how foolish, irresponsible, outrageous or ridiculous. It’s boomer time and boomers get whatever they want in her world. What a wonderful world when everyone sucks up to bad boomers.

Nope. Wrong person.

My opinion has nothing to do with mothers-in-law. It's about reciprocation.

I'd be pretty irritated if all this time I trusted someone to bring their dog to my house only to be told "oh well no, I certainly don't trust YOU to bring your dog into MY precious house. "

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Anonymous wrote:A compromise might be to say that puppy can come out of crate if it is wearing a puppy diaper and also on a short leash (not a retractable) held by an adult or in an adult’s arms. Otherwise I don’t think it’s safe for the puppy given all the stuff I could get into or the possibility of a child grabbing it or stepping on it. And of course there’s the risk that he puppy could view bunny as a toy, or that the puppy could get scared by an over affectionate child and end up nipping. (That happened to a neighbor and it was a huge PITA as they were then required to isolate their puppy from all humans for a period of many months.). If you have your spouse explain all the risks to her she might be more amenable to this compromise.

NP. The bold above is a bigger deal than the puppy peeing and I'm surprised OP isn't thinking of this. Adults plus THIRTEEN children and a bunny, puppy, adult dog--? Perfect recipe for at least one of the animals and one or more kids to end up hurt and then that will be the only thing anyone remembers about this Christmas: "That Christmas when little Bobby fell onto the puppy and it had to be raced to the emergency vet on Christmas Day and it was 30 miles away...." "The rabbit was stressed and bit Sally because she kept trying to pick it up...." I think OP's way too easy and in her shoes my DH would have told mom from the start: Sorry, no puppy. For those shouting "But!! they take their dog to MIL's!!" the OP did say they did not take their dog there as a puppy.

A small breed puppy would not survive a child falling on it. You don’t realize how small these dogs are and how vulnerable their backs are even before they reach full size and elongation. A rabbit would easily take out a small breed puppy. A cat would swipe at it but a rabbit either flees or really fights.

Very likely outcomes
1. Kid accidentally hurting it.
2. Rabbit killing it.
3. Puppy eating something it shouldn’t and dying of bowel obstruction.

Possible outcomes
1. Puppy catching parvovirus at stops along the way
2. Puppy being electrocuted chewing through wires while free roaming the basement. House catching on fire from electrical wires.

This is going to end with a dead puppy. Your MIL is horrible.

If we receive updates through Xmas, this thread is going to attain DCUM iconic status.

Anonymous wrote:A compromise might be to say that puppy can come out of crate if it is wearing a puppy diaper and also on a short leash (not a retractable) held by an adult or in an adult’s arms. Otherwise I don’t think it’s safe for the puppy given all the stuff I could get into or the possibility of a child grabbing it or stepping on it. And of course there’s the risk that he puppy could view bunny as a toy, or that the puppy could get scared by an over affectionate child and end up nipping. (That happened to a neighbor and it was a huge PITA as they were then required to isolate their puppy from all humans for a period of many months.). If you have your spouse explain all the risks to her she might be more amenable to this compromise.

NP. The bold above is a bigger deal than the puppy peeing and I'm surprised OP isn't thinking of this. Adults plus THIRTEEN children and a bunny, puppy, adult dog--? Perfect recipe for at least one of the animals and one or more kids to end up hurt and then that will be the only thing anyone remembers about this Christmas: "That Christmas when little Bobby fell onto the puppy and it had to be raced to the emergency vet on Christmas Day and it was 30 miles away...." "The rabbit was stressed and bit Sally because she kept trying to pick it up...." I think OP's way too easy and in her shoes my DH would have told mom from the start: Sorry, no puppy. For those shouting "But!! they take their dog to MIL's!!" the OP did say they did not take their dog there as a puppy.

What’s a little more chaos?

Anonymous wrote:Hypocrite. You bring your dog there, but they cannot bring a puppy?

OP said she and her DH did not bring their dog to MIL's when their dog was a puppy. Big difference in carting puppies around to other people's homes and taking an older dog who is not only trained but also less likely to get into everything everywhere.

Anonymous wrote:Your Shepherd might think the wiener dog is a snack.

Yes. Germans love sausages.

On the one hand - 3 months is too young for a puppy to be subjected to the chaos that you're describing, and not safe for a dog without all of its shots. If the puppy were even 6 months old I'd say that OP had no basis for not returning the many favors she's built up with MIL and dog visiting.

But on the other hand, and I mean this sincerely and not in a snarky way - I've never been in anyone's house who had a cat and thought it seemed clean, so your cat + giant shedding dog + "free roam rabbit" means that your concern about the puppy impacting your house's cleanliness is hilarious. Your house is already embedded probably 2 inches deep with dander and fur and and various smells. A 2 lb dog piddling under a table before someone grabs it won't move the needle.

19:20 is our resident nasty entitled granny. She posts on any thread that anything a MIL wants a MIL gets no matter how foolish, irresponsible, outrageous or ridiculous. It’s boomer time and boomers get whatever they want in her world. What a wonderful world when everyone sucks up to bad boomers.

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She lets you bring a whole big German Shepherd to her house and you can't handle a little dachshund in your house? Not even in the spirit of reciprocation?

I'd be really unhappy about this and it would change my opinion of you and our relationship forever, knowing now that you're such a self centered person.

Well then you are a complete moron who shouldn’t be trusted with a puppy. The situation proposed by MIL which you would feel entitled to as well is extremely unsafe and behaviorally inappropriate for the puppy.

This isn’t about giving a boomer her tit for tat or your entitlement . It’s about safety for the little puppy.

No sorry, if you've been bringing your dog to my house for years, I'm going to assume you will return the favor.

How many dogs have you had? You seem completely uneducated about puppies.

Even if OP were willing to do this, it’s not appropriate for a young puppy. It’s going to end up trampled by a kid or other animal, or escaping the house when a kid accidentally lets it outside. Also, a crate is a safe, calming place for a puppy. A gathering of 23 people with no supervision is a recipe for a disaster for this dog and anyone who would insist on putting their puppy in this situation because they feel “owed” the right to do so is a crap dog owner full stop.

I've owned several dogs. So has OP's mil. Which is why I would trust mil will know how to handle and protect her dog. Op doesn't even want the dog out of the crate in the privacy of MIL's room, so it's clearly not about the safety of the dog, right? And why do you assume mil will let her tiny puppy roam around without supervision?

If I let op bring her German Shepherd to my house it's because I assume she is responsible enough to care for the dog in our home. I'd be offended if I didn't receive the same respect and trust from op.

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She lets you bring a whole big German Shepherd to her house and you can't handle a little dachshund in your house? Not even in the spirit of reciprocation?

I'd be really unhappy about this and it would change my opinion of you and our relationship forever, knowing now that you're such a self centered person.

Well then you are a complete moron who shouldn’t be trusted with a puppy. The situation proposed by MIL which you would feel entitled to as well is extremely unsafe and behaviorally inappropriate for the puppy.

This isn’t about giving a boomer her tit for tat or your entitlement . It’s about safety for the little puppy.

No sorry, if you've been bringing your dog to my house for years, I'm going to assume you will return the favor.

Nope. It’s situational. My SIL brings her goldens on our boat and they jump into the water to fetch stuff. I wouldn’t expect her to say no problem if I announced I was bringing my bulldog puppy on her boat and planned to let him jump off the side. She would rightfully point out no he would drown.

MIL is suggesting something that is idiotic. Perhaps like many boomers she has lost IQ points along the road of time but this fool should not have a puppy. I’m sure whatever breeder or rescue that is giving her this dog would think twice if they knew her plans.

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Anonymous wrote:
She lets you bring a whole big German Shepherd to her house and you can't handle a little dachshund in your house? Not even in the spirit of reciprocation?

I'd be really unhappy about this and it would change my opinion of you and our relationship forever, knowing now that you're such a self centered person.

Well then you are a complete moron who shouldn’t be trusted with a puppy. The situation proposed by MIL which you would feel entitled to as well is extremely unsafe and behaviorally inappropriate for the puppy.

This isn’t about giving a boomer her tit for tat or your entitlement . It’s about safety for the little puppy.

No sorry, if you've been bringing your dog to my house for years, I'm going to assume you will return the favor.

How many dogs have you had? You seem completely uneducated about puppies.

Even if OP were willing to do this, it’s not appropriate for a young puppy. It’s going to end up trampled by a kid or other animal, or escaping the house when a kid accidentally lets it outside. Also, a crate is a safe, calming place for a puppy. A gathering of 23 people with no supervision is a recipe for a disaster for this dog and anyone who would insist on putting their puppy in this situation because they feel “owed” the right to do so is a crap dog owner full stop.

I would take this as an opportunity to disinvite most or all of the children, because they might hurt the puppy.

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Anonymous wrote:
She lets you bring a whole big German Shepherd to her house and you can't handle a little dachshund in your house? Not even in the spirit of reciprocation?

I'd be really unhappy about this and it would change my opinion of you and our relationship forever, knowing now that you're such a self centered person.

Well then you are a complete moron who shouldn’t be trusted with a puppy. The situation proposed by MIL which you would feel entitled to as well is extremely unsafe and behaviorally inappropriate for the puppy.

This isn’t about giving a boomer her tit for tat or your entitlement . It’s about safety for the little puppy.

No sorry, if you've been bringing your dog to my house for years, I'm going to assume you will return the favor.