Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 09:45     Subject: Re:Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html


Amen
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 09:45     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:House arrest for life, after some time in prison.

I get by society's standards he will see some incarceration time but let's be honest, this stupid boy spending time with hardened criminals will not help society in the least.


Have you watched the video? It was an intentional, cold-blooded murder committed for absolutely no reason, one of the most heinous crimes I have ever seen or heard of. Calling it “stupid” is appalling, it was way more than this. In a just society, this would be a death penalty offense. The “boy” should be locked up for many decades.


Just societies don't have the death penalty.



Of course they do. And this is precisely the sort of crime that merits it.


Which just societies have the death penalty in 2023?


None because it is immoral, expensive (endless death row appeals) and does not deter violent crime. See Amnesty International’s extensive research and evidence around why the death penalty does not help societies.

I was horrified by the video and was in shocked by the teens’ callous intentional running over of an innocent cyclist. I have no idea if they are criminally insane or just young, reckless and ruthless - only medically qualified people could determine that.

However, state sanctioned murder of the perps will not prevent mental illness/ poor parental guidance or egregious youthful behavior.


One appeal and then execution. Don't care whether it deters anyone else. It eliminates a horrendous murderer from society. Justice for the innocent bicyclist and his family.
Sometimes the convicted are actually innocent. Read wiki on central park five. Not saying that's true in this case, but limiting to one appeal will cause innocent people to be executed. If you support 'one appeal, then execution', that is tantamount to murder even though you are not injecting the poison yourself. Lock them up for life instead.


Yes plus average time on death row is many years - there would be more than one appeal for Minors. It costs the state millions of dollars per death row inmate and does not deter crime.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 09:37     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:House arrest for life, after some time in prison.

I get by society's standards he will see some incarceration time but let's be honest, this stupid boy spending time with hardened criminals will not help society in the least.


Have you watched the video? It was an intentional, cold-blooded murder committed for absolutely no reason, one of the most heinous crimes I have ever seen or heard of. Calling it “stupid” is appalling, it was way more than this. In a just society, this would be a death penalty offense. The “boy” should be locked up for many decades.


Just societies don't have the death penalty.



Of course they do. And this is precisely the sort of crime that merits it.


Which just societies have the death penalty in 2023?


None because it is immoral, expensive (endless death row appeals) and does not deter violent crime. See Amnesty International’s extensive research and evidence around why the death penalty does not help societies.

I was horrified by the video and was in shocked by the teens’ callous intentional running over of an innocent cyclist. I have no idea if they are criminally insane or just young, reckless and ruthless - only medically qualified people could determine that.

However, state sanctioned murder of the perps will not prevent mental illness/ poor parental guidance or egregious youthful behavior.


One appeal and then execution. Don't care whether it deters anyone else. It eliminates a horrendous murderer from society. Justice for the innocent bicyclist and his family.
Sometimes the convicted are actually innocent. Read wiki on central park five. Not saying that's true in this case, but limiting to one appeal will cause innocent people to be executed. If you support 'one appeal, then execution', that is tantamount to murder even though you are not injecting the poison yourself. Lock them up for life instead.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 09:33     Subject: Re:Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html


No. This kid a) stole a car b) drove it recklessly c) purposefully hit a biker d) joked about it e) left the biker at the side of the road and f) POSTED IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I don’t think I’ve seen a better case for trying him as an adult and a very long sentence.

To the extent the teen somehow actually didn’t understand what he was doing, a stiff sentence is also important as a deterrent. Something needs to teach teens that it’s not a joke or a funny social media post to deliberately hurt people.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 09:32     Subject: Re:Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html


You take him in and deal with him. Many of us think he should fry. Rehabilitation my a$$.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 09:26     Subject: Re:Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 09:25     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anything to keep the perpetrator off of the streets and committing more crimes.


Well actually the opposite occurs - US states that use the death penalty have significantly higher rates of violent crimes and murder.

No one thinks the callous actions of these teens can be justified in any way shape or form: but the death penalty is not the answer .







https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/why-death-penalty-is-wrong/#:~:text=Because%20of%20the%20number%20of,as%20an%20effective%20crime%20deterrent.

#1. The death penalty is inhumane

#2. The death penalty disproportionately affects certain groups such as black Americans.

#3. The death penalty can be used as a tool for control, not justice

#4. The death penalty can’t be undone if new evidence, misconduct, or inferior legal assistance is discovered  

#5. The death penalty doesn’t deter crime

Death Penalty Information Center has information showing that states without the death penalty have a consistently lower murder rate than states with the death penalty. Since 1990, the gap has increased. In 1999, the average murder rate per 100,000 population was 5.5 in death penalty states. In states without the death penalty, the average was 3.6.  
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 09:25     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:Anything to keep the perpetrator off of the streets and committing more crimes.


Well actually the opposite occurs - US states that use the death penalty have significantly higher rates of violent crimes and murder.

No one thinks the callous actions of these teens can be justified in any way shape or form: but the death penalty is not the answer .
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 09:09     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:House arrest for life, after some time in prison.

I get by society's standards he will see some incarceration time but let's be honest, this stupid boy spending time with hardened criminals will not help society in the least.


Have you watched the video? It was an intentional, cold-blooded murder committed for absolutely no reason, one of the most heinous crimes I have ever seen or heard of. Calling it “stupid” is appalling, it was way more than this. In a just society, this would be a death penalty offense. The “boy” should be locked up for many decades.


Just societies don't have the death penalty.



Of course they do. And this is precisely the sort of crime that merits it.


Which just societies have the death penalty in 2023?


None because it is immoral, expensive (endless death row appeals) and does not deter violent crime. See Amnesty International’s extensive research and evidence around why the death penalty does not help societies.

I was horrified by the video and was in shocked by the teens’ callous intentional running over of an innocent cyclist. I have no idea if they are criminally insane or just young, reckless and ruthless - only medically qualified people could determine that.

However, state sanctioned murder of the perps will not prevent mental illness/ poor parental guidance or egregious youthful behavior.


One appeal and then execution. Don't care whether it deters anyone else. It eliminates a horrendous murderer from society. Justice for the innocent bicyclist and his family.


How does that make us any better than murderers if we support state sanctioned murder ?



Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 08:15     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anything to keep the perpetrator off of the streets and committing more crimes.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 07:36     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:House arrest for life, after some time in prison.

I get by society's standards he will see some incarceration time but let's be honest, this stupid boy spending time with hardened criminals will not help society in the least.


Have you watched the video? It was an intentional, cold-blooded murder committed for absolutely no reason, one of the most heinous crimes I have ever seen or heard of. Calling it “stupid” is appalling, it was way more than this. In a just society, this would be a death penalty offense. The “boy” should be locked up for many decades.


Just societies don't have the death penalty.



Of course they do. And this is precisely the sort of crime that merits it.


Which just societies have the death penalty in 2023?


None because it is immoral, expensive (endless death row appeals) and does not deter violent crime. See Amnesty International’s extensive research and evidence around why the death penalty does not help societies.

I was horrified by the video and was in shocked by the teens’ callous intentional running over of an innocent cyclist. I have no idea if they are criminally insane or just young, reckless and ruthless - only medically qualified people could determine that.

However, state sanctioned murder of the perps will not prevent mental illness/ poor parental guidance or egregious youthful behavior.


It’s not immoral, there are acts so heinous that the perpetrator forfeits their right to share a world with the rest of us. This view has been long accepted in societies and cultures around the world, and the anti-death penalty crusade is just a liberal political project whose time will come and go. The expense of death row appeals is a policy choice that can and should be changed; Amnesty International is a left-wing NGO that lacks credibility on this issue: it’s whole reason for being is to oppose severe punishment. Whether or not the death penalty deters, however, does not change the fundamental justice of its application in some extreme cases.

There are certainly legitimate concerns about the possibility of an innocent person being executed, which weighs against the application of the death penalty in many cases. But here the perpetrators thoughtfully uploaded the video, so we know who they are and what they did. Thus, no possibility of wrongful conviction. The death penalty here is not “murder”: it is justice. No other penalty is appropriate to the gravity of this crime.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 07:35     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:House arrest for life, after some time in prison.

I get by society's standards he will see some incarceration time but let's be honest, this stupid boy spending time with hardened criminals will not help society in the least.


Have you watched the video? It was an intentional, cold-blooded murder committed for absolutely no reason, one of the most heinous crimes I have ever seen or heard of. Calling it “stupid” is appalling, it was way more than this. In a just society, this would be a death penalty offense. The “boy” should be locked up for many decades.


Just societies don't have the death penalty.



Of course they do. And this is precisely the sort of crime that merits it.


Which just societies have the death penalty in 2023?


None because it is immoral, expensive (endless death row appeals) and does not deter violent crime. See Amnesty International’s extensive research and evidence around why the death penalty does not help societies.

I was horrified by the video and was in shocked by the teens’ callous intentional running over of an innocent cyclist. I have no idea if they are criminally insane or just young, reckless and ruthless - only medically qualified people could determine that.

However, state sanctioned murder of the perps will not prevent mental illness/ poor parental guidance or egregious youthful behavior.


One appeal and then execution. Don't care whether it deters anyone else. It eliminates a horrendous murderer from society. Justice for the innocent bicyclist and his family.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 07:06     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:The driver is under 18, there are no serious repercussions for their actions. Juvi for a year, tops.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-teenager-facing-murder-charge-after-intentionally-hitting-bicyclist-with-stolen-car-police-say/

This isn’t true. Most states allow prosecutors to charge minors as adults for particularly heinous crimes, and quick research suggests that minors as young as 13 can be tried as adults for murder in Nevada. Even a Soros-backed DA would have a hard time justifying keeping this case in juvenile court.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2023 01:21     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:House arrest for life, after some time in prison.

I get by society's standards he will see some incarceration time but let's be honest, this stupid boy spending time with hardened criminals will not help society in the least.


Have you watched the video? It was an intentional, cold-blooded murder committed for absolutely no reason, one of the most heinous crimes I have ever seen or heard of. Calling it “stupid” is appalling, it was way more than this. In a just society, this would be a death penalty offense. The “boy” should be locked up for many decades.


Just societies don't have the death penalty.



Of course they do. And this is precisely the sort of crime that merits it.


Which just societies have the death penalty in 2023?


None because it is immoral, expensive (endless death row appeals) and does not deter violent crime. See Amnesty International’s extensive research and evidence around why the death penalty does not help societies.

I was horrified by the video and was in shocked by the teens’ callous intentional running over of an innocent cyclist. I have no idea if they are criminally insane or just young, reckless and ruthless - only medically qualified people could determine that.

However, state sanctioned murder of the perps will not prevent mental illness/ poor parental guidance or egregious youthful behavior.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2023 22:40     Subject: Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun
Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal as they come, but this person is at the very least a sociopath and possibly a psychopath. He should be locked up for a very long time. It's not about his brain development; it's more likely a genetic deficit and there is no cure. Sure, some psychopaths can function in society but the odds are long.


+1 to all of this