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Anonymous wrote:There were some WJ students who left the game and went to get Chipotle. There were BCC students with them. They were surrounded and attacked by other teens. You can see this in the various videos that are out there. Some of the attackers seem to be BCC students (IDs on them, BCC shirts, etc.) but they could have been from other schools. It isn't like BCC kids hate WJ and vice versa. This is about a group where some wore ski masks and attacked another others. At 8:30 on a Friday night. Where all are kids should have felt safe getting a burrito after a football game.

I've seen this mentioned multiple times. There is no evidence that they were from other schools. Deflection.

There's a disease of the mind where people will argue against a mountain of factual evidence just to be contrary. This board is full of that. I was at rhe game. I saw the girl with braids starting problems with the wj fans. The phone chain and social media was blowing up with wj students injured and bcc students as the assailants on friday. The principal 's email makes it clear that wj students were attacked. Mcpc doesn't allow students from other schools into the games. It was absolutely bcc students and there will be arrests. Hopefully there are also Civil lawsuits.

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Anonymous wrote:There were some WJ students who left the game and went to get Chipotle. There were BCC students with them. They were surrounded and attacked by other teens. You can see this in the various videos that are out there. Some of the attackers seem to be BCC students (IDs on them, BCC shirts, etc.) but they could have been from other schools. It isn't like BCC kids hate WJ and vice versa. This is about a group where some wore ski masks and attacked another others. At 8:30 on a Friday night. Where all are kids should have felt safe getting a burrito after a football game.

I've seen this mentioned multiple times. There is no evidence that they were from other schools. Deflection.

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Anonymous wrote:A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

You will need to wait for facts.

A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).

Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).

? Assault is assault regardless of whether it was in the middle of several people fighting or not. If you're hit by someone, it's assault. You can call police and press charges. They will determine if you also threw punches, and whether you started it, or whether you exercised reasonable self-defence.

That is not how the laws are written.

Fighting is actually legal. You have the legal right to fight someone else if you choose. If you choose to be in a fight you can't claim assault.

You might be able to argue once somebody is on the ground and being kicked the fight has now turned into an assault.

Just let your children know, if they agree to be in a fight, they can't turn around after they lose a fight and claim assault.

LOL WHAT?

NP - I'm not sure why you're laughing, the PP is right. If groups of students met up to fight, there's noting illegal about that (though it's idiotic). It's not at all clear that is what happened here, though.

What evidence of this agreement to fight would exist to substantiate that both parties were mutually agreeing to a fight? It's not like we have a written contract to go off of.

And further more, how can minors who can't consent to so many things be capable of committing to an agreement of engaging in violent activity with one another?
That is not how the laws are written.

That is what the police will need to do in their investigation. Nobody is saying it was a fight, what was said is that we need to wait until the police investigation is complete to determine if it was a fight vs an assault.

Minors can consent to sex (with each other) and they can consent to fights.

It is how the laws are written.

To continue with your hypothetical, even IF they did both agree to the fight, I'm pretty sure there are laws and ordinances about fighting in public places.

So yeah, maybe minors can fight in the privacy of their homes, but I'm pretty sure there's county law about fighting on the streets. Same way you can be naked in your house, but public nudity is prohibited.

It's not hypothetical, there are many case laws about this, you can google them.

A police officer may determine that it is "disorderly conduct" or "they are blocking a street" and stop the fight, but if the fight does not interfere with the public the police have no obligation to get involved.

Yes, disorderly conduct is the charge I was thinking of. And I don't think a bunch of teenagers fighting in the street as was the case here, especially since the police received calls about the street violence as it was unfolding, would be that hard to prove.

It will be easy to prove disorderly conduct. But assault might be harder. Each person would have to prove they tried to retreat since maryland does not have a stand your ground law they have "duty to retreat".

Are you saying the kid on the ground who was being kicked in the head had a duty to retreat?

What I said was that once the boy was on the ground being kicked in the head the police could possibly find that the fight moved into assault once he hit the ground. Again, that depends. We don't know what the boy did before he was attacked. That might change the police's viewpoint.

If a person is trying to assault or rape you and you are defending yourself, you could argue that you thought if he got up the assault against you could continue and you are protecting yourself from bodily harm.

Come on. Multiple people standing around kicking one person in the head on the ground is felony assault or even attempted murder. Not self defense. I was a juror on a trial where the defendants tried to claim self defense in this scenario and it was ridiculous.

I said that from the beginning the boy on the ground is probably the only kid with an assault case.

Depends on his injuries if it’s simple vs felony.

I’d bet the house it’s not felony.

I never mentioned self defense I said it was a fight which is different.

Anonymous wrote:To clarify a little more...

in law it's called mutual combat, not fight.

Schools can have stricter rules which is why fighting is not allowed in school but it is not a criminal offense.

If you agree to "mutual combat" it does not matter who "throws the 1st punch".

Police can arrest for disorderly conduct or "blocking the sidewalk". (yes there is a law against blocking a sidewalk)
Injured parties can sue for bodily harm.

Anonymous wrote:The kids that did this are clearly low class and likely from broken homes.

Anonymous wrote:I hope the girl in braids and a sports bra has been identified and I hope she’s arrested and charged as an adult.

Anonymous wrote:I haven't seen any footage of kids with the ski masks on. If that's true, those kids may well NOT be MCPS students or at the very least non-BCC students.

Ski masks says this attack was premeditated. Because why else would you have those on in the freaking summer?

Anonymous wrote:There were some WJ students who left the game and went to get Chipotle. There were BCC students with them. They were surrounded and attacked by other teens. You can see this in the various videos that are out there. Some of the attackers seem to be BCC students (IDs on them, BCC shirts, etc.) but they could have been from other schools. It isn't like BCC kids hate WJ and vice versa. This is about a group where some wore ski masks and attacked another others. At 8:30 on a Friday night. Where all are kids should have felt safe getting a burrito after a football game.

Anonymous wrote:Assuming I have an accurate understanding of what happened based upon videos that don't show the entirety of what happened and based upon what I have heard from people who were in downtown Bethesda at the time, it sounds and looks like something nefarious was going on. The kids who I saw beating two other kids, should be charged with attempted murder. I am wondering if the kids who were being punched and kicked have brain damage. What sickening behavior. Where were the parents? What kind of children are they raising that kids feel entitled to punch and kick other people in the head like it's nothing. DISGUSTING!

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how the boy who was attacked on the ground and kicked in the head is doing? I keep thinking about him and hoping he did not suffer permanent damage. What a nightmare.

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how the boy who was attacked on the ground and kicked in the head is doing? I keep thinking about him and hoping he did not suffer permanent damage. What a nightmare.