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Anonymous wrote:I’m the poster who has been labeled as the cruising apologist. Lol.

My Haitian friends and coworkers haven’t visited Haiti in years. It’s not safe, and they say they would be targets.

No American can safely travel to Haiti right now unless they arrive by ship to Labadee. That’s a fact.

Yes, Labadee is far removed and protected from the rampant violence further south.

I disagree that it isn’t an authentic experience. You will see the lush beauty of the beaches fronting the tropical mountains, swim in the ocean, and interact with locals working onsite.

What would you get at a Haitian resort? The only difference I see is risk.

Wow. Just wow. You really think an afternoon in Labadee is an “authentic experience” in Haiti? It is not. An “authentic experience” would be visiting the Sans Souci Palace ruins and the Citadelle only an hour away. An “authentic experience” would be touring Port au Prince and leaning about Haitian history and art. An “authentic experience” would be a visit to Jacmel. Locking white tourists up on a beach on the north coast of Haiti where their only interactions with local Haitians are those hand selected by Royal Caribbean and who pay RC a commission for the privilege is not an “authentic experience.” You are delusional to the point of absurdity, you do know that right??!!

Sigh.

Obviously.

But nobody can safely do any of that now. You do realize that, right?

And you do realize that lots of people who take land based trips to the Caribbean typically stay put at resorts, right? Are their trips more authentic?

Nobody is venturing on tours in Haiti now. It’s just not safe. But Labadee is safe. And you absolutely get a taste of the beauty there. You just do. Unless you’ve been there, how could you possibly know? FYI: they have some historic ruins at Labadee along with cultural docents.

FTR, I have traveled extensively and I prefer off the beaten path destinations. I strive to eat where the locals go. I’m not one to plop down at a resort unless I’m taking a relaxing vacation. But I’m also not one to openly criticize others who travel differently or those who take cruises.

I hope the op goes to Labadee. I had a fantastic day there last year. So relaxing. My kids really enjoyed swimming there and even they commented on how gorgeous the location is in terms of gardens and the tropical, mountainous backdrop.

PP here. I’ve been to Labadee as I noted. I went on a day when there were no ships and they actually let Haitians visit the beach. And it was the least “authentic” day of my trip by far. Any more pithy comments Cancun Karen?

Obviously it’s less authentic than in depth sightseeing in Haiti, but nobody can safely tour around Haiti now.

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That’s the point.

But you can have an authentic experience as a daytripper in safer Caribbean islands. Not everyone goes on cruise trip excursions. Many hire local guides and spend the day venturing to historical or nature sights, eating where the locals go, chartering boats to get to the best areas faster, etc. all with a knowledgeable local guide.

But for whatever reason you can’t stand that some well heeled travelers can have an even better time than you had…simply because they aren’t uptight, judgmental, and in some one-man competition with everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the poster who has been labeled as the cruising apologist. Lol.

My Haitian friends and coworkers haven’t visited Haiti in years. It’s not safe, and they say they would be targets.

No American can safely travel to Haiti right now unless they arrive by ship to Labadee. That’s a fact.

Yes, Labadee is far removed and protected from the rampant violence further south.

I disagree that it isn’t an authentic experience. You will see the lush beauty of the beaches fronting the tropical mountains, swim in the ocean, and interact with locals working onsite.

What would you get at a Haitian resort? The only difference I see is risk.

Wow. Just wow. You really think an afternoon in Labadee is an “authentic experience” in Haiti? It is not. An “authentic experience” would be visiting the Sans Souci Palace ruins and the Citadelle only an hour away. An “authentic experience” would be touring Port au Prince and leaning about Haitian history and art. An “authentic experience” would be a visit to Jacmel. Locking white tourists up on a beach on the north coast of Haiti where their only interactions with local Haitians are those hand selected by Royal Caribbean and who pay RC a commission for the privilege is not an “authentic experience.” You are delusional to the point of absurdity, you do know that right??!!

Sigh.

Obviously.

But nobody can safely do any of that now. You do realize that, right?

And you do realize that lots of people who take land based trips to the Caribbean typically stay put at resorts, right? Are their trips more authentic?

Nobody is venturing on tours in Haiti now. It’s just not safe. But Labadee is safe. And you absolutely get a taste of the beauty there. You just do. Unless you’ve been there, how could you possibly know? FYI: they have some historic ruins at Labadee along with cultural docents.

FTR, I have traveled extensively and I prefer off the beaten path destinations. I strive to eat where the locals go. I’m not one to plop down at a resort unless I’m taking a relaxing vacation. But I’m also not one to openly criticize others who travel differently or those who take cruises.

I hope the op goes to Labadee. I had a fantastic day there last year. So relaxing. My kids really enjoyed swimming there and even they commented on how gorgeous the location is in terms of gardens and the tropical, mountainous backdrop.

PP here. I’ve been to Labadee as I noted. I went on a day when there were no ships and they actually let Haitians visit the beach. And it was the least “authentic” day of my trip by far. Any more pithy comments Cancun Karen?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the poster who has been labeled as the cruising apologist. Lol.

My Haitian friends and coworkers haven’t visited Haiti in years. It’s not safe, and they say they would be targets.

No American can safely travel to Haiti right now unless they arrive by ship to Labadee. That’s a fact.

Yes, Labadee is far removed and protected from the rampant violence further south.

I disagree that it isn’t an authentic experience. You will see the lush beauty of the beaches fronting the tropical mountains, swim in the ocean, and interact with locals working onsite.

What would you get at a Haitian resort? The only difference I see is risk.

Wow. Just wow. You really think an afternoon in Labadee is an “authentic experience” in Haiti? It is not. An “authentic experience” would be visiting the Sans Souci Palace ruins and the Citadelle only an hour away. An “authentic experience” would be touring Port au Prince and leaning about Haitian history and art. An “authentic experience” would be a visit to Jacmel. Locking white tourists up on a beach on the north coast of Haiti where their only interactions with local Haitians are those hand selected by Royal Caribbean and who pay RC a commission for the privilege is not an “authentic experience.” You are delusional to the point of absurdity, you do know that right??!!

Sigh.

Obviously.

But nobody can safely do any of that now. You do realize that, right?

And you do realize that lots of people who take land based trips to the Caribbean typically stay put at resorts, right? Are their trips more authentic?

Nobody is venturing on tours in Haiti now. It’s just not safe. But Labadee is safe. And you absolutely get a taste of the beauty there. You just do. Unless you’ve been there, how could you possibly know? FYI: they have some historic ruins at Labadee along with cultural docents.

FTR, I have traveled extensively and I prefer off the beaten path destinations. I strive to eat where the locals go. I’m not one to plop down at a resort unless I’m taking a relaxing vacation. But I’m also not one to openly criticize others who travel differently or those who take cruises.

I hope the op goes to Labadee. I had a fantastic day there last year. So relaxing. My kids really enjoyed swimming there and even they commented on how gorgeous the location is in terms of gardens and the tropical, mountainous backdrop.

I’ve done it all in the last year. What are you talking about that it’s not possible?! Try traveling not on a cruise ship sometime!

Wait, you are saying you have toured Port-au-Prince in the last year? I don't believe that for a second.

Yes.

What were you there for? I’m black with a ton of Haitian friends that still have family (and spouses!) in Haiti, and not a single one is visiting Haiti anytime soon.

So I find it really difficult, if not impossible, to believe that an internet rando from DCUM is visiting the place just for kicks.

State your reasons for visiting.

Tourism. History, art, culture. Haiti excels in all three areas. You should try it sometime! It’s really not as scary as the US media would have you believe. Quick and easy flights from Miami and FLL.

PP here who asked the confirming question. You are full of s--t and you know it. Have family who works with people in Haiti. Some of them have been victims of abduction or attempted abduction in the last 6 months. The government is basically non-existent in PaP and the roads in/out- those areas are under constant threat of gangs.

Sorry to hear that. But honestly, in Haiti and many developing nations, foreigners are much safer than locals. It’s just a fact. Gangs don’t want to harm foreigners when it brings so much attention. I never felt unsafe in Haiti for a second.

Seriously WTF are you talking about? Those in Haiti are telling the Americans not to come because they know they will be incredibly obvious targets. You think gangs who have killed their countries president care about "too much attention"? From who?

Try a grammar course.

I’m changing my estimate from 22 to 12 years old.

With you but seriously we need to let this thread die. Giving the troll what they want.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the poster who has been labeled as the cruising apologist. Lol.

My Haitian friends and coworkers haven’t visited Haiti in years. It’s not safe, and they say they would be targets.

No American can safely travel to Haiti right now unless they arrive by ship to Labadee. That’s a fact.

Yes, Labadee is far removed and protected from the rampant violence further south.

I disagree that it isn’t an authentic experience. You will see the lush beauty of the beaches fronting the tropical mountains, swim in the ocean, and interact with locals working onsite.

What would you get at a Haitian resort? The only difference I see is risk.

Wow. Just wow. You really think an afternoon in Labadee is an “authentic experience” in Haiti? It is not. An “authentic experience” would be visiting the Sans Souci Palace ruins and the Citadelle only an hour away. An “authentic experience” would be touring Port au Prince and leaning about Haitian history and art. An “authentic experience” would be a visit to Jacmel. Locking white tourists up on a beach on the north coast of Haiti where their only interactions with local Haitians are those hand selected by Royal Caribbean and who pay RC a commission for the privilege is not an “authentic experience.” You are delusional to the point of absurdity, you do know that right??!!

Sigh.

Obviously.

But nobody can safely do any of that now. You do realize that, right?

And you do realize that lots of people who take land based trips to the Caribbean typically stay put at resorts, right? Are their trips more authentic?

Nobody is venturing on tours in Haiti now. It’s just not safe. But Labadee is safe. And you absolutely get a taste of the beauty there. You just do. Unless you’ve been there, how could you possibly know? FYI: they have some historic ruins at Labadee along with cultural docents.

FTR, I have traveled extensively and I prefer off the beaten path destinations. I strive to eat where the locals go. I’m not one to plop down at a resort unless I’m taking a relaxing vacation. But I’m also not one to openly criticize others who travel differently or those who take cruises.

I hope the op goes to Labadee. I had a fantastic day there last year. So relaxing. My kids really enjoyed swimming there and even they commented on how gorgeous the location is in terms of gardens and the tropical, mountainous backdrop.

I’ve done it all in the last year. What are you talking about that it’s not possible?! Try traveling not on a cruise ship sometime!

Wait, you are saying you have toured Port-au-Prince in the last year? I don't believe that for a second.

Yes.

What were you there for? I’m black with a ton of Haitian friends that still have family (and spouses!) in Haiti, and not a single one is visiting Haiti anytime soon.

So I find it really difficult, if not impossible, to believe that an internet rando from DCUM is visiting the place just for kicks.

State your reasons for visiting.

Tourism. History, art, culture. Haiti excels in all three areas. You should try it sometime! It’s really not as scary as the US media would have you believe. Quick and easy flights from Miami and FLL.

PP here who asked the confirming question. You are full of s--t and you know it. Have family who works with people in Haiti. Some of them have been victims of abduction or attempted abduction in the last 6 months. The government is basically non-existent in PaP and the roads in/out- those areas are under constant threat of gangs.

Sorry to hear that. But honestly, in Haiti and many developing nations, foreigners are much safer than locals. It’s just a fact. Gangs don’t want to harm foreigners when it brings so much attention. I never felt unsafe in Haiti for a second.

Seriously WTF are you talking about? Those in Haiti are telling the Americans not to come because they know they will be incredibly obvious targets. You think gangs who have killed their countries president care about "too much attention"? From who?

Try a grammar course.

I’m changing my estimate from 22 to 12 years old.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the poster who has been labeled as the cruising apologist. Lol.

My Haitian friends and coworkers haven’t visited Haiti in years. It’s not safe, and they say they would be targets.

No American can safely travel to Haiti right now unless they arrive by ship to Labadee. That’s a fact.

Yes, Labadee is far removed and protected from the rampant violence further south.

I disagree that it isn’t an authentic experience. You will see the lush beauty of the beaches fronting the tropical mountains, swim in the ocean, and interact with locals working onsite.

What would you get at a Haitian resort? The only difference I see is risk.

Wow. Just wow. You really think an afternoon in Labadee is an “authentic experience” in Haiti? It is not. An “authentic experience” would be visiting the Sans Souci Palace ruins and the Citadelle only an hour away. An “authentic experience” would be touring Port au Prince and leaning about Haitian history and art. An “authentic experience” would be a visit to Jacmel. Locking white tourists up on a beach on the north coast of Haiti where their only interactions with local Haitians are those hand selected by Royal Caribbean and who pay RC a commission for the privilege is not an “authentic experience.” You are delusional to the point of absurdity, you do know that right??!!

Sigh.

Obviously.

But nobody can safely do any of that now. You do realize that, right?

And you do realize that lots of people who take land based trips to the Caribbean typically stay put at resorts, right? Are their trips more authentic?

Nobody is venturing on tours in Haiti now. It’s just not safe. But Labadee is safe. And you absolutely get a taste of the beauty there. You just do. Unless you’ve been there, how could you possibly know? FYI: they have some historic ruins at Labadee along with cultural docents.

FTR, I have traveled extensively and I prefer off the beaten path destinations. I strive to eat where the locals go. I’m not one to plop down at a resort unless I’m taking a relaxing vacation. But I’m also not one to openly criticize others who travel differently or those who take cruises.

I hope the op goes to Labadee. I had a fantastic day there last year. So relaxing. My kids really enjoyed swimming there and even they commented on how gorgeous the location is in terms of gardens and the tropical, mountainous backdrop.

I’ve done it all in the last year. What are you talking about that it’s not possible?! Try traveling not on a cruise ship sometime!

Wait, you are saying you have toured Port-au-Prince in the last year? I don't believe that for a second.

Yes.

What were you there for? I’m black with a ton of Haitian friends that still have family (and spouses!) in Haiti, and not a single one is visiting Haiti anytime soon.

So I find it really difficult, if not impossible, to believe that an internet rando from DCUM is visiting the place just for kicks.

State your reasons for visiting.

Tourism. History, art, culture. Haiti excels in all three areas. You should try it sometime! It’s really not as scary as the US media would have you believe. Quick and easy flights from Miami and FLL.

PP here who asked the confirming question. You are full of s--t and you know it. Have family who works with people in Haiti. Some of them have been victims of abduction or attempted abduction in the last 6 months. The government is basically non-existent in PaP and the roads in/out- those areas are under constant threat of gangs.

Sorry to hear that. But honestly, in Haiti and many developing nations, foreigners are much safer than locals. It’s just a fact. Gangs don’t want to harm foreigners when it brings so much attention. I never felt unsafe in Haiti for a second.

Seriously WTF are you talking about? Those in Haiti are telling the Americans not to come because they know they will be incredibly obvious targets. You think gangs who have killed their countries president care about "too much attention"? From who?

Try a grammar course.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the poster who has been labeled as the cruising apologist. Lol.

My Haitian friends and coworkers haven’t visited Haiti in years. It’s not safe, and they say they would be targets.

No American can safely travel to Haiti right now unless they arrive by ship to Labadee. That’s a fact.

Yes, Labadee is far removed and protected from the rampant violence further south.

I disagree that it isn’t an authentic experience. You will see the lush beauty of the beaches fronting the tropical mountains, swim in the ocean, and interact with locals working onsite.

What would you get at a Haitian resort? The only difference I see is risk.

Wow. Just wow. You really think an afternoon in Labadee is an “authentic experience” in Haiti? It is not. An “authentic experience” would be visiting the Sans Souci Palace ruins and the Citadelle only an hour away. An “authentic experience” would be touring Port au Prince and leaning about Haitian history and art. An “authentic experience” would be a visit to Jacmel. Locking white tourists up on a beach on the north coast of Haiti where their only interactions with local Haitians are those hand selected by Royal Caribbean and who pay RC a commission for the privilege is not an “authentic experience.” You are delusional to the point of absurdity, you do know that right??!!

Sigh.

Obviously.

But nobody can safely do any of that now. You do realize that, right?

And you do realize that lots of people who take land based trips to the Caribbean typically stay put at resorts, right? Are their trips more authentic?

Nobody is venturing on tours in Haiti now. It’s just not safe. But Labadee is safe. And you absolutely get a taste of the beauty there. You just do. Unless you’ve been there, how could you possibly know? FYI: they have some historic ruins at Labadee along with cultural docents.

FTR, I have traveled extensively and I prefer off the beaten path destinations. I strive to eat where the locals go. I’m not one to plop down at a resort unless I’m taking a relaxing vacation. But I’m also not one to openly criticize others who travel differently or those who take cruises.

I hope the op goes to Labadee. I had a fantastic day there last year. So relaxing. My kids really enjoyed swimming there and even they commented on how gorgeous the location is in terms of gardens and the tropical, mountainous backdrop.

I’ve done it all in the last year. What are you talking about that it’s not possible?! Try traveling not on a cruise ship sometime!

Wait, you are saying you have toured Port-au-Prince in the last year? I don't believe that for a second.

Yes.

What were you there for? I’m black with a ton of Haitian friends that still have family (and spouses!) in Haiti, and not a single one is visiting Haiti anytime soon.

So I find it really difficult, if not impossible, to believe that an internet rando from DCUM is visiting the place just for kicks.

State your reasons for visiting.

Tourism. History, art, culture. Haiti excels in all three areas. You should try it sometime! It’s really not as scary as the US media would have you believe. Quick and easy flights from Miami and FLL.

PP here who asked the confirming question. You are full of s--t and you know it. Have family who works with people in Haiti. Some of them have been victims of abduction or attempted abduction in the last 6 months. The government is basically non-existent in PaP and the roads in/out- those areas are under constant threat of gangs.

Sorry to hear that. But honestly, in Haiti and many developing nations, foreigners are much safer than locals. It’s just a fact. Gangs don’t want to harm foreigners when it brings so much attention. I never felt unsafe in Haiti for a second. [/quote

You are a young, 22yo?, woman - we can tell that by your responses. You have not been to Haiti but you think independent travel is best so you were trying to make a point by acting like you had and now you’ve been called out on it. You think we are all awful because we aren’t idealists. (Except maybe NGO lady who you also thought was awful. Anyway, you think you’re better than her, too.) You maybe don’t know the difference between Haiti and Honduras.

Sorry, but you are wrong. I have been to both countries multiple times and enjoyed them both immensely.