Anonymous wrote:Even if it doesn’t rise to the level of criminal fraud, using a false address on a government form (intentionally, for the purpose of obtaining a benefit) is not the type of thing I would want to have to explain to a security clearance investigator, state bar, etc.

But DCPS has a policy not to investigate or enforce boundary fraud, so not sure you’d have to explain something that DC has chosen not to enforce.

Even if it doesn’t rise to the level of criminal fraud, using a false address on a government form (intentionally, for the purpose of obtaining a benefit) is not the type of thing I would want to have to explain to a security clearance investigator, state bar, etc.

Exactly. Moreover, the IRS doesn't care where you file within the District as long as you file and pay your Federal income tax.

Not too swift to take the DC Homestead Deduction on a DC property where you don't live, but then there's no law forcing you to take it at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Not sure how DCPS would "get" the boundary cheating families owning multiple properties anyway. What's to stop them from collecting mail at any property they own? Why bother to put scare city ed resources into chasing down such parents? Hello, the DC tax base is still shrinking post Covid. I don't get why posters come here to call these guys out for "fraud" when the only people who'd pay the price for being caught for fraud are the "cheaters." Have you guys nothing better to worry about in this fraught city? How about making noise about the fact that that spots at desirable 5th or 6th grade-12th charters East of Rock Creek are in increasingly hard to come by. Meanwhile, Walls, Ellington and Banneker don't have room for all comers and Eastern HS still doesn't appeal to more than a handful, literally a handful, of high SES families.

Look it’s fraud. If you are ok with lying about your residence on official govt docs more power to you. Personally I am very conservative about this stuff because I don’t want to risk my clearance. I won’t report you for it but I will think you are trashy and dumb.

The DC Residency Verification Form is the form to verify where you live for DCPS. It's very clear, in numerous places, about what they are asking you to certify, and that's you live in DC. It's not an address verification form, it's a *residency* verification form. That's what they care about, and that's where actual penalties come in if you violate them. There's nothing on the form about school boundaries. As far as DCPS is concerned, "residency fraud" is a real, meaningful concept - there's a reporting line and everything. Whereas "boundary fraud" is only real on DCUM.

If you falsify where you live on your tax forms in order to submit that DCPS for proof of residency (but you actually do live in DC), you are committing fraud -- against the IRS, not against DCPS. But if you modify the address on your pay stub from one DC address to another and submit that as proof of residency, that is deceptive and self-serving and it might make you a bad person, but it's not fraud according the actual government agency that manages this.

I'm not cheating and only know of one family that seems to have done so at our DCPS ES. They're friends; we've attended parties at both of their local houses. I'm guessing that one of the parents has a clearance, based on their job/the agency they've been with for a long time. All their deal. Sounds like time to fuss and flap about a new DC ed issue, PP.

Anonymous wrote:Agree. Not sure how DCPS would "get" the boundary cheating families owning multiple properties anyway. What's to stop them from collecting mail at any property they own? Why bother to put scare city ed resources into chasing down such parents? Hello, the DC tax base is still shrinking post Covid. I don't get why posters come here to call these guys out for "fraud" when the only people who'd pay the price for being caught for fraud are the "cheaters." Have you guys nothing better to worry about in this fraught city? How about making noise about the fact that that spots at desirable 5th or 6th grade-12th charters East of Rock Creek are in increasingly hard to come by. Meanwhile, Walls, Ellington and Banneker don't have room for all comers and Eastern HS still doesn't appeal to more than a handful, literally a handful, of high SES families.

Look it’s fraud. If you are ok with lying about your residence on official govt docs more power to you. Personally I am very conservative about this stuff because I don’t want to risk my clearance. I won’t report you for it but I will think you are trashy and dumb.

Agree. Not sure how DCPS would "get" the boundary cheating families owning multiple properties anyway. What's to stop them from collecting mail at any property they own? Why bother to put scare city ed resources into chasing down such parents? Hello, the DC tax base is still shrinking post Covid. I don't get why posters come here to call these guys out for "fraud" when the only people who'd pay the price for being caught for fraud are the "cheaters." Have you guys nothing better to worry about in this fraught city? How about making noise about the fact that that spots at desirable 5th or 6th grade-12th charters East of Rock Creek are in increasingly hard to come by. Meanwhile, Walls, Ellington and Banneker don't have room for all comers and Eastern HS still doesn't appeal to more than a handful, literally a handful, of high SES families.

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Anonymous wrote:You be the Boy Scout. OP can be the pragmatist, head held high in a jurisdiction that could have many good schools but doesn't bother to for our tax dollars.

g-d you are sure self-righteous for someone insulting others for being “boy scouts.” I don’t gaf about what my neighbors do and would never report someone for residency or boundary fraud. the point is that people who chose to do this should understand it is literally fraud, with the risks that entails to federal clearances etc. (good luck reporting a fake address on your next clearance review!) Boundary fraud is historically less risky than actual residency fraud (people from MD) but it’s still fraud.

Zero sympathy for MD address cheaters who don't pay DC income tax. Get them. Couldn't care less about "boundary fraud" when UMC parents own the relevant real estate. I'd rather see these folks stay in DCPS than leave. Dumb issue in a troubled urban school system with epic systemic/capacity problems. If you're coming here to complain about residency fraud but aren't aggressively lobbying your city councilor's office to stop it, pipe down. We've heard more than enough from you already.

+1. DCPS and DC overall has much bigger issues to worry about than DC taxpayers using the "wrong" DC school. One or two kids per grade isn't creating or solving a school's boundary issue, and it's better public policy to keep engaged, UMC families in DC paying taxes and using the public school system than pushing more families into the suburbs.

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Anonymous wrote:You be the Boy Scout. OP can be the pragmatist, head held high in a jurisdiction that could have many good schools but doesn't bother to for our tax dollars.

g-d you are sure self-righteous for someone insulting others for being “boy scouts.” I don’t gaf about what my neighbors do and would never report someone for residency or boundary fraud. the point is that people who chose to do this should understand it is literally fraud, with the risks that entails to federal clearances etc. (good luck reporting a fake address on your next clearance review!) Boundary fraud is historically less risky than actual residency fraud (people from MD) but it’s still fraud.

Zero sympathy for MD address cheaters who don't pay DC income tax. Get them. Couldn't care less about "boundary fraud" when UMC parents own the relevant real estate. I'd rather see these folks stay in DCPS than leave. Dumb issue in a troubled urban school system with epic systemic/capacity problems. If you're coming here to complain about residency fraud but aren't aggressively lobbying your city councilor's office to stop it, pipe down. We've heard more than enough from you already.

Why would I send my kid to private school with a bunch of white blazer and bow tie losers?

Right, right.

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Anonymous wrote:Of all the issues in DC in general and with DCPS specifically, it blows my mind that people care about boundary fraud. Definition of a victimless “crime”.

If someone commits boundary fraud, they’re either (a) taking away a space from someone who could’ve gotten it legitimately through the lottery or (b) if the school is at capacity and doesn’t offer lottery spaces, they’re illegitimately contributing to overcrowding.

But, by your logic, nobody should care about an issue if there are other issues that are more important, right?

+1, it's very weird to argue this doesn't impact other children. Of course it does.

I also do not understand owning multiple properties in DC but then sending your kid to a DCPS. It's just a weird choice to me.

Some people have more money than sense. And you also have to get your kid accepted to a private … people who decide to use the family rental address in NW to enroll in Murch are not necessarily the brightest or best motivated. They are grifters following what looks shiny at the moment.

Anonymous wrote:You be the Boy Scout. OP can be the pragmatist, head held high in a jurisdiction that could have many good schools but doesn't bother to for our tax dollars.

g-d you are sure self-righteous for someone insulting others for being “boy scouts.” I don’t gaf about what my neighbors do and would never report someone for residency or boundary fraud. the point is that people who chose to do this should understand it is literally fraud, with the risks that entails to federal clearances etc. (good luck reporting a fake address on your next clearance review!) Boundary fraud is historically less risky than actual residency fraud (people from MD) but it’s still fraud.

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Anonymous wrote:Of all the issues in DC in general and with DCPS specifically, it blows my mind that people care about boundary fraud. Definition of a victimless “crime”.

If someone commits boundary fraud, they’re either (a) taking away a space from someone who could’ve gotten it legitimately through the lottery or (b) if the school is at capacity and doesn’t offer lottery spaces, they’re illegitimately contributing to overcrowding.

But, by your logic, nobody should care about an issue if there are other issues that are more important, right?

+1, it's very weird to argue this doesn't impact other children. Of course it does.

I also do not understand owning multiple properties in DC but then sending your kid to a DCPS. It's just a weird choice to me.

You be the Boy Scout. OP can be the pragmatist, head held high in a jurisdiction that could have many good schools but doesn't bother to for our tax dollars.